Report: Deputy Shot Boy Before Partner Left Car

[Eugene]

Source: Associated Press

Report: Deputy Shot Boy Before Partner Left Car

SANTA ROSA, Calif. October 31, 2013 (AP)

A 13-year-old boy was fatally wounded by a California sheriff's deputy before a second officer was able to get out of a patrol vehicle and take cover, investigators said, bolstering accounts of just how quickly the shooting occurred.

The trainee remained behind the wheel of the cruiser Oct. 22 while Deputy Erick Gelhaus confronted Andy Lopez, who was carrying a pellet gun that resembled an assault rifle, Santa Rosa police Lt. Paul Henry told the Press Democrat of Santa Rosa in a story Tuesday.

In a matter of seconds, Gelhaus ordered the boy to drop the weapon then opened fire before the trainee could take cover behind an open door of the car, Henry said.

The trainee's account bolsters eyewitness reports and dispatch records that only 10 seconds or so elapsed between Gelhaus confronting the boy and the shooting.

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Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/report-calif-boy-shot-2nd-deputy-left-car-20733775

[Link Speed]

1. 10 seconds is a long time when one is adrenalized

I've been there.

This thing is a Big Deal out here in Wine Country.

[DreamGypsy]

2. 10 seconds is a very short time in the life of a dead 13 year old...

... ~41 million seconds to live; 10 seconds to die.

No one should "be there".

[rhett o rick]

5. So what are you trying to say? This was police-murder, a very common thing nowdays. nm

[AnotherMcIntosh]

3. "Gelhaus told investigators that he could not remember if he identified himself as a police officer

before firing" !!!

[AnotherMcIntosh]

4. It is somewhat inaccurate for the MSM to refer to the second officer as a "trainee" without further

information.

The one who was not trigger happy has

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"11 years' experience in law enforcement and was hired about one month ago from another Bay Area agency"

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20131029/articles/131029497?title=Police:-2nd-deputy-still-in-car-when-Andy-Lopez-shot

[rhett o rick]

6. Why seven bullets? nm

[TexasProgresive]

7. Eliminates testimony from the victim. n/t

[Iggo]

39. Make sure he's dead.

[rhett o rick]

41. It takes seven at close range? Sounds to me like rage. nm

[B Calm]

8. Why would the parents allow their 13 yr old son carry around replica AK-47?

[sendero]

9. Some of us are old enough to remember..

... when the police didn't open fire with both barrels at every perceived threat.

[B Calm]

10. You still didn't answer the question. With all the school shootings,

movie theaters, etc. etc. lately, the police are on edge for good reason.

[sendero]

11. I'm not going to blame the parents for this..

.... I blame a trigger-happy racist asshole cop who really should now just go drink himself to death.

[sendero]

13. Were there reports of shots fired?

Was there ANY reason to think this kid was a threat?

No, only to a trigger-happy jackass that should not be a cop.

[B Calm]

14. Why did the parents allow their kid, oh never mind!

[CBGLuthier]

16. Wow what a racist thing to say

I hope you are not as racist as what you said makes you seem.

[B Calm]

20. What a horrible thing to accuse someone of! Why did

the parents allow their kid to parade around with a replica AK 47?

[morningfog]

21. They didn't call you a racist. They said it was a racist thing to say.

And I agree. It does sound racist.

[B Calm]

22. There are gang members of all races, in case you didn't know that! Why

in heavens name would the parents allow their kid to parade around with a replica AK 47 and not expect consequences?

[morningfog]

30. You know the race of this boy. It is not a crime

for a 13 year old to play with a toy, minding his own business. It is not a death sentence.

How do you know hat the parents' involvement was? For some reason you said they were raising him to be a gang banger. That was apparently base only on the toy he had, and his race.

[whopis01]

42. In your mind is a kid with a toy gun is a gang banger?

Because I am fairly confident that any real "gang banger" would not be walking around with a fake gun on display.

They tend to prefer real ones.

You could argue that it isn't a good idea for a kid to be walking around with a realistic looking gun. You could argue that his parents should not let him walk around with a realistic looking gun. But to claim that his parents were raising a "gang banger" because he had a realistic looking toy gun is simply ridiculous.

[bobduca]

44. Attempting to shift blame to the parents is a despicable tactic

But seems to be a common tactic of those who reflexively back authorities in every situation.

[ScreamingMeemie]

17. My son is a gang banger because I let him play with Airsoft guns???

[hatrack]

34. Thank you!

nt

[morningfog]

19. Where did you find that the parents were raising him to

be a gang banger? Is it just an assumption on your part?

[leftynyc]

23. Gang banger?

GANG BANGER?!! Ask yourself something - if this had been a white kid playing around with a toy gun and an out of control asshole cop shot him 10 seconds after stopping his car, would you be blaming the parents for raising a gang banger?

[B Calm]

24. YES

[leftynyc]

25. I don't believe you

And I never will.

[B Calm]

26. What the hell! Are you accusing me of being a racist too? and can you

answer my one little question that no one wants to answer, why did the parents allow their kid to parade around with a very real looking replica AK 47 and not expect there would be any consequences?

[Sheldon Cooper]

27. You made a racist assumption and you made a racist comment.

Deny it all you want. Everyone else sees it.

[B Calm]

28. Are their white gangs? Still won't answer the other question?

[morningfog]

32. It doesn't matter that there are white gangs.

You said the parents were raising him to be a gang banger, you know his race. The racist part is suggesting that the parents were raising him to be a gang banger.

[morningfog]

31. The consequence of death?

That should be expected? You cannot be serious.

If people are telling you you sound racist, you should stop and think.

[lunasun]

33. I never read that he was affiliated with a gang

The photos of his friends mourning did not appear to have usual gang garb and no hint in news stories
I wonder....what kind of person would you call a "thug"


"He was not a gang member, he was an 8th grader," Anita Ruiz told local station KNTV. Her son was friends with Lopez. "He was not a criminal, but yet he's dead. He's 13 years old. Couldn't something else have been done?"
http://www.ibtimes.com/andy-lopez-13-year-old-california-boy-shot-dead-police-while-carrying-toy-rifle-1439018

[ScreamingMeemie]

37. Can you answer my one little question that you skipped over?

Do you really think I'm raising my son (A/B student, extracurricular activities) to be a gangbanger because I let him play with AirSoft guns?

[EOTE]

43. Imagine that. People assuming that people who say racist things are racist.

If you don't want to be labeled a racist, stop saying racist things. Derp.

[B Calm]

29. I believe this guy is white (Aryan Brotherhood)

[lunasun]

36. so in your#12 reply you meant white parents raise their kids to be in a gang ??

You assume everybody now is raising their kids to be in gangs?? Can't cover up now even sideways

[malaise]

35. The cop would not have shot the white kid

Hell they didn't even arrest George Zimmerman after he murdered Trayvon Martin in cold blood.

[morningfog]

15. Only one person shot the boy 7 times. Only one is to blame.

[ScreamingMeemie]

18. +1

[Iggo]

38. KILL! KILL! KILL! YEEEEEE-HAAAAW!!!!

Gawd I love cops!

[99Forever]

40. Way to "serve and protect" there...

... Officer Oink.