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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:33 PM Oct 2013

Van Jones: Let's Stop Trying to Please Republicans




"Insurance is what you buy when you don't know if something bad is going to happen. Maybe I'll crash my car. Maybe I won't. I don't know. So I'm going to get car insurance just in case. Everybody's going to get sick and die, so you know every single person's going to need health insurance. That's not something you can provide insurance for, that's called a service."

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Van Jones: I don't understand how this individual mandate is something that we've allowed the Republicans to define as some sort of, quote-unquote, government takeover. In fact, it's their idea. The progressives were saying we want single-payer. Myself, I would say why do you need insurance companies for health care at all. Insurance is what you buy when you don't know if something bad is going to happen. Maybe I'll crash my car. Maybe I won't. I don't know. So I'm going to get car insurance just in case. Everybody's going to get sick and die, so you know every single person's going to need health insurance. That's not something you can provide insurance for, that's called a service.

So my view, single-payer. The Republicans always said, no, that's too much government. So we came back and said, okay, no single-payer. How about a public option? So you'd a public program, everybody could join Medicare or compete with the private companies, too much government. We want individual responsibility. So we said, fine, you win. We'll do it your way, individual mandate. And then, they say that is a socialist government takeover. Well, hold on a second now. You're now a part of the pro-moocher caucus? You're saying it's okay for people to just dive bomb their way into the emergency room? Yeah, don't worry about it. Don't get any insurance. The government will pay for it. Now, you're like the pro-freeloader party?

This Republican Party, from my point of view, has taken the posture that any idea, even their own ideas, if they're championed by this president, they will oppose. And I think that discredits them. It's like chasing a bunny on the old dog track. They have a mechanical bunny. If you've ever been to a dog track, I'm from Tennessee, if you ever go to Memphis, they have a dog track and they have a mechanical bunny. And they open the gates and the dogs just go and try and chase that mechanical bunny. And I think those dogs probably think someday they're going to catch that bunny. They're never going to catch that bunny because the bunny keeps moving.

You're trying to chase the right to try to convince them to agree with you. They will run away from their own ideas if they think a Democrat embraces them. It was a Republican idea to have cap and trade, a market-based, business-friendly solution for carbon and climate problems. That was the Heritage Foundation that came up with cap and trade. We were saying carbon tax. To chase them, we moved to cap and trade and they moved on to don't do anything. Climate change isn't even real.

On health care, it was their idea to have an individual mandate and personal responsibility and don't have a big government single-payer system. We moved from single-payer through public option to individual mandate trying to catch them and now they say that the individual mandate is socialism. You will never catch this bunny. You will never, so what you need to do is stand for what you believe in and bring a majority around your own ideas and govern. And it's the biggest fallacy on the part of liberals is that that little hound dog running around that track is ever going to catch that bunny and that we will ever be able to compromise enough to appease the right wing in this country so they'll actually govern with us in a responsible way. They have to be defeated at the ballot box by a stable governing majority that can implement the changes that we need in this country, whether they want to participate or not.

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Van Jones: Let's Stop Trying to Please Republicans (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2013 OP
K&R octoberlib Oct 2013 #1
k/r Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #2
k&r! sheshe2 Oct 2013 #3
Now they are apparently cohorting around with them on the bank crap, letting wallstreet put us right lonestarnot Oct 2013 #4
He is exactly right, stop trying to please the whackjobs Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #5
They won't listen to him anyway DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #46
Sanest thing I've heard all day Blue Owl Oct 2013 #6
agreed gopiscrap Oct 2013 #10
Thanks for posting this. russspeakeasy Oct 2013 #7
Who's trying to please them? Not me. RoccoR5955 Oct 2013 #8
Our "fearless leaders." polichick Oct 2013 #29
Fearless, my posterior! n/t RoccoR5955 Oct 2013 #33
Mine too - that's why the quotes. :) polichick Oct 2013 #35
No kidding!!! FUCK ALL REPUBLICANS!!! gopiscrap Oct 2013 #9
Let them please themselves mindwalker_i Oct 2013 #11
anyone who watched them during the Clinton years should have learned that Skittles Oct 2013 #12
fuckin-a frylock Oct 2013 #13
K&R Change has come Oct 2013 #14
I love Van Jones! ColumbusLib Oct 2013 #15
That's what I sound like when I don't yell. ffr Oct 2013 #16
No shit, why is this complicated for so many folks? TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #17
I have no idea why. It's so disheartening, because the only rational Nay Oct 2013 #48
He's spot on! nt arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #18
Can't stop doing something I never started. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #19
Their subservience is embarrassing RandiFan1290 Oct 2013 #20
Wow.. sendero Oct 2013 #21
Trying to please them is why we don't have a public option. B Calm Oct 2013 #22
What do you mean 'we' Van? Some of warned against this bipartisan gladhanding the entire time Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #23
+ 1000000 raouldukelives Oct 2013 #24
The Professional Left doesn't count YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #28
The Repuke votes (meaning, "lack of") for the stimulus package in 2009 bullwinkle428 Oct 2013 #25
TRUTH, so well stated. northoftheborder Oct 2013 #26
Republicans are afraid libodem Oct 2013 #27
Van Jones, every time I read something he's written, seems, well, like a smart cookie. tavalon Oct 2013 #30
He doesn't have the President's ear. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #39
Does anyone smart have the President's ear? tavalon Oct 2013 #49
Sad to say, the president seems to be in a bubble truebluegreen Oct 2013 #50
Another move to please RepubliCONS: getting rid of Van Jones. k&r polichick Oct 2013 #31
Again runfastandwin Oct 2013 #32
Lucy and the football.....and we have way to many Charlie Browns. yourout Oct 2013 #34
They need to go the way of the Whigs Mosaic Oct 2013 #36
one of the first victims of the Great Capitulator Doctor_J Oct 2013 #37
+100 truebluegreen Oct 2013 #40
The Administration couldn't dump Van Jones fast eonugh when Republican whined, bvar22 Oct 2013 #41
Excellent post passiveporcupine Oct 2013 #38
Can I get an A-FUCKING-MEN!!!! nt dorkzilla Oct 2013 #42
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #43
Check this out OldRedneck Oct 2013 #44
He got it RIGHT! DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #45
DURec leftstreet Oct 2013 #47
 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
4. Now they are apparently cohorting around with them on the bank crap, letting wallstreet put us right
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:55 PM
Oct 2013

back where we were so they could steal billions more in bailouts when they crash it all again.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
5. He is exactly right, stop trying to please the whackjobs
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:00 PM
Oct 2013

Van Jones knows that unless he's an angry old White man, he might as well be speaking like the teachers on Charlie Brown because the Tea Baggers who run the GOP will not listen to a single word he has to say. So what exactly is the point of trying to appease them?

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
46. They won't listen to him anyway
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:34 PM
Oct 2013

Not unless his name is Grover Norquist, ends with "Koch," Rush Limbaugh or Rupert Murdoch.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
16. That's what I sound like when I don't yell.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 12:43 AM
Oct 2013

And with the goofs in my barely blue state, you can believe I'm on the offensive speaking my mind, just not quite so even toned.

K&R

Nay

(12,051 posts)
48. I have no idea why. It's so disheartening, because the only rational
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:48 PM
Oct 2013

reason is that they are all in cahoots on the looting, and they are just playing games with us.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
21. Wow..
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:22 AM
Oct 2013

... finally some logical analysis that stand up to bullshit.

Democrats should be summarizing this ad nauseum at every opportunity.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. What do you mean 'we' Van? Some of warned against this bipartisan gladhanding the entire time
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:34 AM
Oct 2013

while the Obama administration told us Republicans are our partners, friends we must please, that compromise was more important than excellence.
I have never wanted to please Republicans. Speak for yourselves, Centrists.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
24. + 1000000
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:12 AM
Oct 2013

Where have they been? Like it is some giant fucking secret. Morphing into Reaganites wasn't the right call? Duh!

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
25. The Repuke votes (meaning, "lack of") for the stimulus package in 2009
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:21 AM
Oct 2013

should have been enough of an indication of how they intended to "deal" with PBO.

Keep in mind that the stimulus was LOADED WITH TAX CUTS and all kinds of MONEY THAT WENT DIRECTLY TO BUSINESSES!! If a Repuke president came up with this, they couldn't have voted for it to go into effect fast enough.

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
26. TRUTH, so well stated.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:26 AM
Oct 2013

K & R
We really need more loud mouthed liberal progressives to balance things out.

Edit: I just reread my post and it sounds rude. I just mean we need more liberal shouters!!!! Really. Not being sarcastic.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
27. Republicans are afraid
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 02:21 PM
Oct 2013

Somebody might block that gravytrain of human suffering, so cashing in on misery and death, might be more difficult. Macabre vultures.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
30. Van Jones, every time I read something he's written, seems, well, like a smart cookie.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 02:26 PM
Oct 2013

I think he's a smart cookie. I think we should listen to him more. If he has the President's ear, I definitely think our President should listen to him a lot.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
39. He doesn't have the President's ear.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:50 PM
Oct 2013

He resigned from his position--"green jobs' advisor"--in the Obama administration because of a Glenn-Beck-inspired uproar about past activism. Just another one of many that this administration sacrificed on the Altar of Bi-partisanship. IMO he was nothing but window-dressing anyway, which may be why he didn't fight to stay.

But yes, definitely a smart cookie.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
50. Sad to say, the president seems to be in a bubble
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:54 PM
Oct 2013

of like-minded individuals. The fact that he was apparently willing to nominate Larry Summers for Fed chair is indication enough for me that his world view doesn't agree with mine and that he is slow to let go of old beliefs/assumptions, even after they have proved unworkable.

I am grateful that he is apparently now aware that the Tea Partiers are crazy and are running the show in the House.

runfastandwin

(5 posts)
32. Again
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 02:44 PM
Oct 2013

If Michelle Obama would start a deep-breathing is good for you crusade, they'd come out against breathing. Hopefully then at least some of them would drown in their own bile.

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
36. They need to go the way of the Whigs
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 03:16 PM
Oct 2013

Democrat and Democratic Socialist in the 21st century should, and must become the new 2 party system.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
37. one of the first victims of the Great Capitulator
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:13 PM
Oct 2013

When the president tossed Jones under the bus, I knew the republicans were going to kick his ass every time.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
41. The Administration couldn't dump Van Jones fast eonugh when Republican whined,
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 07:15 PM
Oct 2013

....but circle the wagons to protect conservatives like Liar Clapper.

James Clapper: Obama stands by intelligence chief as criticism mounts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/12/james-clapper-intelligence-chief-criticism

What a waste of all that dry powder.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
38. Excellent post
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:25 PM
Oct 2013

What he didn't say is that if you keep moving the goal posts so that you continually undermine your own positions, eventually you have nothing left to stand on. That is why so many people are fleeing the party right now. How can you believe in "nothing"? It's a lesson for both sides to learn. We need to learn to stop chasing the rabbit, and they need to learn that a strategy of evasion is not a strategy at all.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
44. Check this out
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:32 PM
Oct 2013

February 1974, Nixon's proposal for national health insurance.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/September/03/nixon-proposal.aspx

DO NOT tell your GOP friends about this . . . could lead to their heads exploding, mass suicides . . .

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
45. He got it RIGHT!
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:33 PM
Oct 2013

The Democratic Party has far, far, far too long been trying to please Republicans (who cannot be pleased anyway) and becoming "GOP-Lite" and "GOPMEtoo" thanks to the infiltration of the DLC.

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