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http://thedissolve.com/news/806-orson-scott-card-wont-see-profits-from-the-enders-/More than 11,000 people have signed a petition pledging to skip the new film adaptation of Enders Game because of the history of homophobic statements from the novels author, Orson Scott Card. Supporting the movie, they argue, is a tacit endorsement of his views, and puts money into the pocket of a vocal opponent of gay rights. In the months leading up to the films release, members of the Enders Game creative team have done their best to distance themselves from Card and his attitudes. Last June, director Gavin Hood stated in an interview that he loves the book and disagrees with its author. Frequently artists create something that is better and more insightful than their own particular point of view on some issue, Hood said. We have a great piece of art and we have the artist behind the art saying things that seem to be extremely bigoted. But theyre not the book. The book is the book and Orsons views are his views.
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Multiple sources from both inside and outside the companies that produced the Enders Game filmdistributor Summit Entertainment, visual effects company Digital Domain and book-rights holder OddLot Entertainmenttell TheWrap that Cards fee has already been paid through a decade-old deal that includes no backend.
Essentially, Card was paid for the rights to his book and thats it. Of course, Card still earns money from sales of his original novel, and with all the attention focused on the Enders Game movie, theres renewed attention on Cards book. TheWrap suggests if you want to boycott something, you refuse to buy a copy of the book instead.
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so that's the definitive word, boycotting the movie is hurting the actors and creative talent therein.. not Orson Scott Card
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)And if he did, wouldn't he get paid for that?
Gavin Hood (the director) did the screenplay
http://news.moviefone.com/2013/10/31/boycotting-enders-game-movie-wont-hurt-orson-scott-card/
It seems that the author has already received all the money he is going to make from the movie adaptation. The movie has had a long and complicated journey to the big screen (read more about that in this exemplary piece about the project's history from Grantland) and somewhere along the way, Card got paid and that was it. Unlike authors like J.K. Rowling, who receive massive paydays, profits on the back end, and creative control, Card washed his hands of the project long ago, frustrated by the film's circuitous development path. The last time he was involved was about ten years ago, when "Ender's Game" was gestating at Warner Bros and Card was writing drafts of the screenplay.
While Card is given a producer's credit, that appears to be more of a formality than anything else. The point being that even if you buy a movie ticket, he's not going to see any of it. More pressing, of course, would be the issue of the book riding high atop the mass-market bestsellers list, since Card still profits handsomely from book sales. One of the leaders of the boycott said that he was content with the stand off being a "symbolic rejection," which is somewhat noble. A message should be sent, somehow, to Card about how outdated and hurtful his views are. And they can probably start by you going to the library to read "Ender's Game" instead of buying it on Amazon.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)his hack novels. How many Ender stories are there? That, along with the licensing money is what it is all about for him. He'd love to be selling merch like mad.
Decaffeinated
(556 posts)... But the Ender's game is a great book , especially for kids.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)was Oscar-worthy.
So, there you go.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It was popular once, I'll give you that.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)For kids, indeed.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Basically Ender becomes some sort of super eulogist, he's all grown up, there's no real action. They are very philosophical and frankly not nearly as tight or as good.
Some of the later ones where he gets back around to Bean are better, but I don't know if you would want a movie that tells essentially the same story from the point of view of another character. You can get away with that in a novel because it's all internalized, but I don't think you can with a movie.
I haven't seen the movie and won't be able to till next week.
Bryant
xfundy
(5,105 posts)Still not going to see it. Sending a message that optioning scripts from assholes is a bad idea.
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)People seeing the film can only benefit him, whether or not he's got a back end.
Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)A shit bag like that should not be getting his books turned into movies at all. Fuck anyone who is willing to participate in doing so, they deserve all the shit they get.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Card has multiple credits on the film, including producer and of course his writing credit.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Card movies. I don't believe he will have no participation in future monies, they can prove that if they like but it sure serves them for folks to think that, does it not?
He is promoting the film hard, has all along, he is hugely invested in the film being a success.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I won't spend even a penny on any of his works, in any form.
I have my self-respect, and he can shove his bigotry, AFAIAC.
Lots of movies to see, books to read, life to live. No time for self-hatred.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)not only because of his politics, but because I though the book absolutely sucked. The plot was telegraphed and the supposed military tactics laughable.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)" I still have a sequel that Im working on. In terms of film, Enders Game is actually the beginning, not the end. No one will touch anything else of mine until they see how Enders Game does. Unless the film absolutely tanks, which Im not expecting, then the floodgates could open. "
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/10/cardqa/
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)He's available for press, the studio doesn't seem to dislike the publicity.
I suppose he's not going to sell any of these movie-tie in reissues of Ender's Game either.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/enders-game-card-orson-scott/1115568233?ean=9780765338143
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)I would no more buy a ticket to see that movie than one written by a Nazi.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)A truly underrated film. I first saw it in 1986 (I was 6 then), and Centauri's face (or lack thereof) really freaked me out. But it became a favorite and still remains as such.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Greatest weapon name ever. Bonus points for making me want Outback's Awesome Blossom everytime I watch the movie.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I hate to spoil it for you, but I don't want any DU'er to die earlier than necessary. It's one of the most horrifically unhealthy things you can eat. Sadly, you can say that about many of my favorites.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)And I probably haven't had one in the last 10 years. But man, my taste buds remember.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Iggo
(47,561 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)So boycotting isn't hurting most of them either.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)If anyone is getting any back end it's Ford and Kingsley and they don't need the money. So the only people getting "hurt" are the producers and the studio, and maybe if the film tanks they'll think twice before giving Card any more money.
Card is not just your run of the mill homophobe. The man believes that being gay should be ILLEGAL. HE also believes that anyone who disagrees with his is MENTALLY ILL...
So if you would like to go see this assholes book as a movie just remember he thinks you are mentally ill.
Here:
2008: In 2008, Card published his most controversial anti-gay screed yet, in the Mormon Times, where he argued that gay marriage marks the end of democracy in America, that homosexuality was a tragic genetic mixup, and that allowing courts to redefine marriage was a slippery slope towards total homosexual political rule and the classifying of anyone who disagreed as mentally ill:
A term that has mental-health implications (homophobe) is now routinely applied to anyone who deviates from the politically correct line. How long before opposing gay marriage, or refusing to recognize it, gets you officially classified as mentally ill
Remember how rapidly gay marriage has become a requirement. When gay rights were being enforced by the courts back in the 70s and 80s, we were repeatedly told by all the proponents of gay rights that they would never attempt to legalize gay marriage.
It took about 15 minutes for that promise to be broken.
If a court declared that from now on, blind and sighted would be synonyms, would that mean that it would be safe for blind people to drive cars?
No matter how sexually attracted a man might be toward other men, or a woman toward other women, and no matter how close the bonds of affection and friendship might be within same-sex couples, there is no act of court or Congress that can make these relationships thesame as the coupling between a man and a woman.
This is a permanent fact of nature.
Card went on to advocate for, literally, a straight peoples insurrection against a pro-gay government:
[W]hen government is the enemy of marriage, then the people who are actually creating successful marriages have no choice but to change governments, by whatever means is made possible or necessary
Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down
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http://www.salon.com/2013/05/07/sci_fi_icon_orson_scott_card_hates_fan_fiction_the_homosexual_agenda_partner/
Hey Fishwax this wasn't directed at you I meant to reply to the OP.. Sorry!
moriah
(8,311 posts)I don't see how what you quoted says that, nor the original screed from him (I did have to hold my nose to read it all):
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700245157/State-job-is-not-to-redefine-marriage.html?pg=all
It says that he's upset at people calling him mentally ill for disagreeing, not that homosexuals are mentally ill for disagreeing with him. At least on my reading of it. Maybe I'm crazy to read it that way, but that's what it sounds like to me.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Orson Scott Card:
"Obama is, by character and preference, a dictator. Obama will claim we need a national police force in order to fight terrorism and crime. The Boston bombing is a useful start, especially when combined with random shootings by crazy people.
Where will he get his "national police"? The NaPo will be recruited from "young out-of-work urban men" and it will be hailed as a cure for the economic malaise of the inner cities.
In other words, Obama will put a thin veneer of training and military structure on urban gangs, and send them out to channel their violence against Obama's enemies."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/orson-scott-card-racist-obama_n_3762891.html
moriah
(8,311 posts)I guess my whole "I might be reading this wrong" got taken as sarcasm by you?
Edit to add: It makes liberals look bad when we use inaccurate attacks. Use what he actually said, and you have plenty.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)If the movie's a hit, then there will probably be a reprinting of the twit's book. No, that's not the definitive word, just a rationalization by others hoping to make a buck.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)The actors and everyone else involved should just bag the project and give Card the finger on their way out.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The movie looks cool.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)Will see the movie when it gets to Redbox. The movie itself looks too much like the latest cookie cutter big science fiction extravaganza. I have kind of got jaded on those (especially ones that adapt books). Card's tale offers nothing new for the big screen. I am getting to the point of been there done that (even The Hobbit feels that way). Actually Card's lesser liked sequels about the aftermath of Ender's Game have more potential even though he really did not do a great job with the theme. That might be a theme better explored (of course somewhat already done in The Last Starfighter and Avatar for example).
A haunting book by Card is also Lost Boys (the short story packs more punch). I read it when I was going through professional difficulties and a job loss, and the feeling of being trapped registered with me.
MuseRider
(34,112 posts)I loved the book when it first came out. I waited and waited hopefully for the movie. As soon as I found how Card really was I stopped all purchases of his books, I had really liked some of them. He deserves no more money or time from me or mine.
He will profit eventually one way or another and it is more likely he will if this movie is a hit as it most likely will be but I can sleep at night knowing that not one dime of my money went to him after I found out what a first rate bigot he was.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I have not read the book yet, but have it on kindle. It is supposed to be a science fiction classic, and I enjoy the sci-fi genre.
ourfuneral
(150 posts)The short story A Thousand Deaths was the only decent thing he ever wrote.
gopiscrap
(23,762 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)1) If the movie takes off, OSC gets vindicated, and by that, I mean he can sell more of his merchandise, including whatever "new" Ender novels he can pop out.
2) Said money WILL be sent to people that want to continue the war on Gay rights that OSC and his Church are still going full throttle on.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)overthrow the government over marriage equality.
"I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn. Orson Scott Card, Religious Fanatic
"Obama will claim we need a national police force in order to fight terrorism and crime. The Boston bombing is a useful start, especially when combined with random shootings by crazy people. Where will he get his "national police"? The NaPo will be recruited from "young out-of-work urban men" and it will be hailed as a cure for the economic malaise of the inner cities.
In other words, Obama will put a thin veneer of training and military structure on urban gangs, and send them out to channel their violence against Obama's enemies." Orson Scott Card, Racist Loon.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)All his books are selling to new generations. He's a "name". I won't have a damn thing to do with him except to point out that he's a homophobic piece of shit at every opportunity.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)but you can also feel free to blow it off just because it's not that good."
"Its an odd week when you follow up a review of a movie about a homophobeJean-Marc Vallées excellent Dallas Buyers Clubwith a review of a movie by a homophobe, or, rather, based on a best-selling book by a very prominent one. Before the release of Enders Game, an adaptation by writer-director Gavin Hood of the sci-fi novel by Orson Scott Card, I knew of Card primarily as an anti-gay-marriage crusader and vocal right-wing crank. In a column from last spring that falls at the exact midpoint between sci-fi thought experiment and paranoid screed, Card compares President Obama to Hitler and envisions him amassing an army of Brown Shirtsthugs who will do his bidding without any reference to law. Where will this paramilitary force be recruited? Among young out-of-work urban men, of course."
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2013/11/ender_s_game_adapted_from_orson_scott_card_s_novel_reviewed.html