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Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 04:46 PM Oct 2013

Orson Scott Card won’t see profits from the Ender’s Game movie

http://thedissolve.com/news/806-orson-scott-card-wont-see-profits-from-the-enders-/

More than 11,000 people have signed a petition pledging to skip the new film adaptation of Ender’s Game because of the history of homophobic statements from the novel’s author, Orson Scott Card. Supporting the movie, they argue, is a tacit endorsement of his views, and puts money into the pocket of a vocal opponent of gay rights. In the months leading up to the film’s release, members of the Ender’s Game creative team have done their best to distance themselves from Card and his attitudes. Last June, director Gavin Hood stated in an interview that he loves the book and disagrees with its author. “Frequently artists create something that is better and more insightful than their own particular point of view on some issue,” Hood said. “We have a great piece of art and we have the artist behind the art saying things that seem to be extremely bigoted. But they’re not the book. The book is the book and Orson’s views are his views.”

(snip)

“Multiple sources from both inside and outside the companies that produced the Ender’s Game film–distributor Summit Entertainment, visual effects company Digital Domain and book-rights holder OddLot Entertainment–tell TheWrap that Card’s fee has already been paid through a decade-old deal that includes no backend.”

Essentially, Card was paid for the rights to his book and that’s it. Of course, Card still earns money from sales of his original novel, and with all the attention focused on the Ender’s Game movie, there’s renewed attention on Card’s book. TheWrap suggests if you want to boycott something, you refuse to buy a copy of the book instead.

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so that's the definitive word, boycotting the movie is hurting the actors and creative talent therein.. not Orson Scott Card
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Orson Scott Card won’t see profits from the Ender’s Game movie (Original Post) Rosco T. Oct 2013 OP
But didn't he help adapt it into a screen play? KitSileya Oct 2013 #1
no Rosco T. Oct 2013 #2
Card wrote 6 versions first. Card is super eager for a hit so they will make more films of Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #14
Think what you like about the later books... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #24
In your opinion. Ronald Reagan probably thought "Bedtime for Bonzo" closeupready Oct 2013 #25
I thought it was vastly overrated and cloying. A 'great' book? Hardly. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #36
It's awful and the story is telegraphed LondonReign2 Nov 2013 #44
I quite like Enders Game but the sequels, at least the initial ones are not workable el_bryanto Nov 2013 #39
Screw him either way. xfundy Oct 2013 #3
You got it. Daemonaquila Oct 2013 #15
There is more to it then Card's pocketbook... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #4
Total bullshit being told by those who wish to profit from their collaboration with a bigot. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #5
Doesn't mean he gets back end profits Beaverhausen Nov 2013 #28
That is so fully beside the point. If the film makes bank, they make more Ender and more Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #37
Neither the filmmakers nor his book publishers will ever see a dime from me. closeupready Oct 2013 #6
I won't go to see it LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #7
Here's Card explaining what ticket sales mean to him Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #8
Card gives a quote nearly every time there is a new story on this controversy. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #9
Won't be seeing it theHandpuppet Oct 2013 #10
Just rent The Last Starfighter instead nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #11
^This Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2013 #18
"What do we do?" geek tragedy Oct 2013 #19
Death Blossom... Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2013 #23
Oh god do I love the taste of that Outback thing, but wont let myself have it. stevenleser Nov 2013 #42
Oh, I know it's unhealthy... Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2013 #45
Is that the one about the kid who lives in the trailer park? n/t cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #30
Yep. And the coolest red monocle in movie history. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #34
Still, Nope. Iggo Oct 2013 #12
Most of the actors and creative talent aren't likely getting back end either fishwax Oct 2013 #13
The film is in the can.. Which means all the techs and small roles have been paid for SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #17
On the "mentally ill" part.... moriah Oct 2013 #21
Wow, your defense of him is sterling, do you also find his attacks on Obama to be sane? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #38
If wanting someone quoted right before we trash him is "defense", I'm guilty. moriah Nov 2013 #41
Fuck that. Movies based on novels that do well in turn help sell the book... joeybee12 Oct 2013 #16
Card is a homophobe who promotes the perpetuation of hate and violence against the LGBT community. Zorra Oct 2013 #20
It's really too bad he's such a giant turd. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #22
Loved the book as a young adult exboyfil Nov 2013 #32
Not in a million years. MuseRider Nov 2013 #26
Planning on going to see it this weekend quinnox Nov 2013 #27
Never been a fan of OSC ourfuneral Nov 2013 #29
good gopiscrap Nov 2013 #31
Hah. Nice try. RedCappedBandit Nov 2013 #33
I am still not moved DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #35
It's not just 'gay rights' he attacks, he also slanders Obama and says he will seek to Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #40
Oh he'll make money ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #43
"I can understand wanting to skip Ender's Game as a matter of moral principle, bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #46

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
2. no
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 04:50 PM
Oct 2013

Gavin Hood (the director) did the screenplay

http://news.moviefone.com/2013/10/31/boycotting-enders-game-movie-wont-hurt-orson-scott-card/

It seems that the author has already received all the money he is going to make from the movie adaptation. The movie has had a long and complicated journey to the big screen (read more about that in this exemplary piece about the project's history from Grantland) and somewhere along the way, Card got paid and that was it. Unlike authors like J.K. Rowling, who receive massive paydays, profits on the back end, and creative control, Card washed his hands of the project long ago, frustrated by the film's circuitous development path. The last time he was involved was about ten years ago, when "Ender's Game" was gestating at Warner Bros and Card was writing drafts of the screenplay.

While Card is given a producer's credit, that appears to be more of a formality than anything else. The point being that even if you buy a movie ticket, he's not going to see any of it. More pressing, of course, would be the issue of the book riding high atop the mass-market bestsellers list, since Card still profits handsomely from book sales. One of the leaders of the boycott said that he was content with the stand off being a "symbolic rejection," which is somewhat noble. A message should be sent, somehow, to Card about how outdated and hurtful his views are. And they can probably start by you going to the library to read "Ender's Game" instead of buying it on Amazon.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. Card wrote 6 versions first. Card is super eager for a hit so they will make more films of
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:10 PM
Oct 2013

his hack novels. How many Ender stories are there? That, along with the licensing money is what it is all about for him. He'd love to be selling merch like mad.

 

Decaffeinated

(556 posts)
24. Think what you like about the later books...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:19 PM
Oct 2013

... But the Ender's game is a great book , especially for kids.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
25. In your opinion. Ronald Reagan probably thought "Bedtime for Bonzo"
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 11:49 PM
Oct 2013

was Oscar-worthy.

So, there you go.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
36. I thought it was vastly overrated and cloying. A 'great' book? Hardly.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:19 AM
Nov 2013

It was popular once, I'll give you that.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
39. I quite like Enders Game but the sequels, at least the initial ones are not workable
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:36 AM
Nov 2013

Basically Ender becomes some sort of super eulogist, he's all grown up, there's no real action. They are very philosophical and frankly not nearly as tight or as good.

Some of the later ones where he gets back around to Bean are better, but I don't know if you would want a movie that tells essentially the same story from the point of view of another character. You can get away with that in a novel because it's all internalized, but I don't think you can with a movie.

I haven't seen the movie and won't be able to till next week.

Bryant

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
3. Screw him either way.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:04 PM
Oct 2013

Still not going to see it. Sending a message that optioning scripts from assholes is a bad idea.

Ohio Joe

(21,761 posts)
4. There is more to it then Card's pocketbook...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:07 PM
Oct 2013

A shit bag like that should not be getting his books turned into movies at all. Fuck anyone who is willing to participate in doing so, they deserve all the shit they get.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
5. Total bullshit being told by those who wish to profit from their collaboration with a bigot.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:15 PM
Oct 2013

Card has multiple credits on the film, including producer and of course his writing credit.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
37. That is so fully beside the point. If the film makes bank, they make more Ender and more
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:21 AM
Nov 2013

Card movies. I don't believe he will have no participation in future monies, they can prove that if they like but it sure serves them for folks to think that, does it not?
He is promoting the film hard, has all along, he is hugely invested in the film being a success.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
6. Neither the filmmakers nor his book publishers will ever see a dime from me.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:19 PM
Oct 2013

I won't spend even a penny on any of his works, in any form.

I have my self-respect, and he can shove his bigotry, AFAIAC.

Lots of movies to see, books to read, life to live. No time for self-hatred.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
7. I won't go to see it
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:28 PM
Oct 2013

not only because of his politics, but because I though the book absolutely sucked. The plot was telegraphed and the supposed military tactics laughable.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
8. Here's Card explaining what ticket sales mean to him
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:32 PM
Oct 2013

" I still have a sequel that I’m working on. In terms of film, Ender’s Game is actually the beginning, not the end. No one will touch anything else of mine until they see how Ender’s Game does. Unless the film absolutely tanks, which I’m not expecting, then the floodgates could open. "
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/10/cardqa/

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
9. Card gives a quote nearly every time there is a new story on this controversy.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:47 PM
Oct 2013

He's available for press, the studio doesn't seem to dislike the publicity.

I suppose he's not going to sell any of these movie-tie in reissues of Ender's Game either.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/enders-game-card-orson-scott/1115568233?ean=9780765338143

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
18. ^This
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:36 PM
Oct 2013

A truly underrated film. I first saw it in 1986 (I was 6 then), and Centauri's face (or lack thereof) really freaked me out. But it became a favorite and still remains as such.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
23. Death Blossom...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:27 PM
Oct 2013

Greatest weapon name ever. Bonus points for making me want Outback's Awesome Blossom everytime I watch the movie.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
42. Oh god do I love the taste of that Outback thing, but wont let myself have it.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:16 PM
Nov 2013

I hate to spoil it for you, but I don't want any DU'er to die earlier than necessary. It's one of the most horrifically unhealthy things you can eat. Sadly, you can say that about many of my favorites.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
45. Oh, I know it's unhealthy...
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 04:04 PM
Nov 2013

And I probably haven't had one in the last 10 years. But man, my taste buds remember.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
13. Most of the actors and creative talent aren't likely getting back end either
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:57 PM
Oct 2013

So boycotting isn't hurting most of them either.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
17. The film is in the can.. Which means all the techs and small roles have been paid for
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:33 PM
Oct 2013

If anyone is getting any back end it's Ford and Kingsley and they don't need the money. So the only people getting "hurt" are the producers and the studio, and maybe if the film tanks they'll think twice before giving Card any more money.

Card is not just your run of the mill homophobe. The man believes that being gay should be ILLEGAL. HE also believes that anyone who disagrees with his is MENTALLY ILL...

So if you would like to go see this assholes book as a movie just remember he thinks you are mentally ill.

Here:


2008: In 2008, Card published his most controversial anti-gay screed yet, in the Mormon Times, where he argued that gay marriage “marks the end of democracy in America,” that homosexuality was a “tragic genetic mixup,” and that allowing courts to redefine marriage was a slippery slope towards total homosexual political rule and the classifying of anyone who disagreed as “mentally ill:”

A term that has mental-health implications (homophobe) is now routinely applied to anyone who deviates from the politically correct line. How long before opposing gay marriage, or refusing to recognize it, gets you officially classified as “mentally ill”

Remember how rapidly gay marriage has become a requirement. When gay rights were being enforced by the courts back in the ’70s and ’80s, we were repeatedly told by all the proponents of gay rights that they would never attempt to legalize gay marriage.

It took about 15 minutes for that promise to be broken. …

If a court declared that from now on, “blind” and “sighted” would be synonyms, would that mean that it would be safe for blind people to drive cars?

No matter how sexually attracted a man might be toward other men, or a woman toward other women, and no matter how close the bonds of affection and friendship might be within same-sex couples, there is no act of court or Congress that can make these relationships thesame as the coupling between a man and a woman.

This is a permanent fact of nature.

Card went on to advocate for, literally, a straight people’s insurrection against a pro-gay government:

[W]hen government is the enemy of marriage, then the people who are actually creating successful marriages have no choice but to change governments, by whatever means is made possible or necessary… Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down….

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/07/sci_fi_icon_orson_scott_card_hates_fan_fiction_the_homosexual_agenda_partner/

Hey Fishwax this wasn't directed at you I meant to reply to the OP.. Sorry!

moriah

(8,311 posts)
21. On the "mentally ill" part....
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:55 PM
Oct 2013

I don't see how what you quoted says that, nor the original screed from him (I did have to hold my nose to read it all):

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700245157/State-job-is-not-to-redefine-marriage.html?pg=all

It says that he's upset at people calling him mentally ill for disagreeing, not that homosexuals are mentally ill for disagreeing with him. At least on my reading of it. Maybe I'm crazy to read it that way, but that's what it sounds like to me.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
38. Wow, your defense of him is sterling, do you also find his attacks on Obama to be sane?
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:33 AM
Nov 2013

Orson Scott Card:
"Obama is, by character and preference, a dictator. Obama will claim we need a national police force in order to fight terrorism and crime. The Boston bombing is a useful start, especially when combined with random shootings by crazy people.
Where will he get his "national police"? The NaPo will be recruited from "young out-of-work urban men" and it will be hailed as a cure for the economic malaise of the inner cities.
In other words, Obama will put a thin veneer of training and military structure on urban gangs, and send them out to channel their violence against Obama's enemies."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/orson-scott-card-racist-obama_n_3762891.html

moriah

(8,311 posts)
41. If wanting someone quoted right before we trash him is "defense", I'm guilty.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:16 AM
Nov 2013

I guess my whole "I might be reading this wrong" got taken as sarcasm by you?

Edit to add: It makes liberals look bad when we use inaccurate attacks. Use what he actually said, and you have plenty.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
16. Fuck that. Movies based on novels that do well in turn help sell the book...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:24 PM
Oct 2013

If the movie's a hit, then there will probably be a reprinting of the twit's book. No, that's not the definitive word, just a rationalization by others hoping to make a buck.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
20. Card is a homophobe who promotes the perpetuation of hate and violence against the LGBT community.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:48 PM
Oct 2013

The actors and everyone else involved should just bag the project and give Card the finger on their way out.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
32. Loved the book as a young adult
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 06:37 AM
Nov 2013

Will see the movie when it gets to Redbox. The movie itself looks too much like the latest cookie cutter big science fiction extravaganza. I have kind of got jaded on those (especially ones that adapt books). Card's tale offers nothing new for the big screen. I am getting to the point of been there done that (even The Hobbit feels that way). Actually Card's lesser liked sequels about the aftermath of Ender's Game have more potential even though he really did not do a great job with the theme. That might be a theme better explored (of course somewhat already done in The Last Starfighter and Avatar for example).

A haunting book by Card is also Lost Boys (the short story packs more punch). I read it when I was going through professional difficulties and a job loss, and the feeling of being trapped registered with me.

MuseRider

(34,112 posts)
26. Not in a million years.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:02 AM
Nov 2013

I loved the book when it first came out. I waited and waited hopefully for the movie. As soon as I found how Card really was I stopped all purchases of his books, I had really liked some of them. He deserves no more money or time from me or mine.

He will profit eventually one way or another and it is more likely he will if this movie is a hit as it most likely will be but I can sleep at night knowing that not one dime of my money went to him after I found out what a first rate bigot he was.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
27. Planning on going to see it this weekend
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:13 AM
Nov 2013

I have not read the book yet, but have it on kindle. It is supposed to be a science fiction classic, and I enjoy the sci-fi genre.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
35. I am still not moved
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:16 AM
Nov 2013


1) If the movie takes off, OSC gets vindicated, and by that, I mean he can sell more of his merchandise, including whatever "new" Ender novels he can pop out.

2) Said money WILL be sent to people that want to continue the war on Gay rights that OSC and his Church are still going full throttle on.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
40. It's not just 'gay rights' he attacks, he also slanders Obama and says he will seek to
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:41 AM
Nov 2013

overthrow the government over marriage equality.
"I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn.” Orson Scott Card, Religious Fanatic

"Obama will claim we need a national police force in order to fight terrorism and crime. The Boston bombing is a useful start, especially when combined with random shootings by crazy people. Where will he get his "national police"? The NaPo will be recruited from "young out-of-work urban men" and it will be hailed as a cure for the economic malaise of the inner cities.
In other words, Obama will put a thin veneer of training and military structure on urban gangs, and send them out to channel their violence against Obama's enemies." Orson Scott Card, Racist Loon.

ismnotwasm

(41,998 posts)
43. Oh he'll make money
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:20 PM
Nov 2013

All his books are selling to new generations. He's a "name". I won't have a damn thing to do with him except to point out that he's a homophobic piece of shit at every opportunity.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
46. "I can understand wanting to skip Ender's Game as a matter of moral principle,
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 04:22 PM
Nov 2013

but you can also feel free to blow it off just because it's not that good."

"It’s an odd week when you follow up a review of a movie about a homophobe—Jean-Marc Vallée’s excellent Dallas Buyers Club—with a review of a movie by a homophobe, or, rather, based on a best-selling book by a very prominent one. Before the release of Ender’s Game, an adaptation by writer-director Gavin Hood of the sci-fi novel by Orson Scott Card, I knew of Card primarily as an anti-gay-marriage crusader and vocal right-wing crank. In a column from last spring that falls at the exact midpoint between sci-fi thought experiment and paranoid screed, Card compares President Obama to Hitler and envisions him amassing an army of “Brown Shirts—thugs who will do his bidding without any reference to law.” Where will this paramilitary force be recruited? Among “young out-of-work urban men,” of course."

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2013/11/ender_s_game_adapted_from_orson_scott_card_s_novel_reviewed.html

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