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Voice messages from Miami Dolphin Richie Incognito to teammate Jonathan Martin: (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Nov 2013 OP
The Incognito father and son ain't right in the head... Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #1
Not to defend pipi_k Nov 2013 #16
If the coach honestly doesn't know what's going on Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #17
As usual when involving Bullying behavior everybody is playing that great nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #19
Martin talked to front office about this last April frylock Nov 2013 #25
Several times. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #27
Jesus...as a football fan, I'm disgusted. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #2
Can you imagine Shula allowing this kind of crap? n2doc Nov 2013 #5
Not at all. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #8
Jimmy Johnson wouldn't have either. None of the old school geek tragedy Nov 2013 #10
Bill Parcells would have kicked him out of his locker room himself. TeamPooka Nov 2013 #13
As a human I'm disgusted AngryAmish Nov 2013 #18
read this one after some surfing about this story OKNancy Nov 2013 #3
wow Dad's a dirtbag. what a family. nt TeamPooka Nov 2013 #14
Looks like the rotten apple didn't fall far from the hate tree LondonReign2 Nov 2013 #20
I wish I could be even half way surprised by the cyberstalking nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #4
This is workplace harassment and cyberstalking. Arent they illegal? riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #6
Coach Philbin knew. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #28
Agreed. Disgusting management and bahavior. nt riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #30
Lawrence Phillips. HughBeaumont Nov 2013 #7
And this fits the pattern of adult bullies to a T nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #9
Leadership and teamwork. jsr Nov 2013 #11
If Richie Incognito ever sees the inside of a locker room again, it'll be a miracle. Arkana Nov 2013 #12
He will coach in the future at Liberty University or some white power institution like it. TeamPooka Nov 2013 #15
Why did they do this to a fellow teammate?--or anybody! WI_DEM Nov 2013 #21
Incognito has a history of nasty incidents. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2013 #22
I will add, he was bullied as a child nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #24
get that racist off of the team! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #23
Incognito is sick and needs major counseling before his racist hatred totally consumes him. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #26
The coaches at my HS mikeysnot Nov 2013 #29

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
1. The Incognito father and son ain't right in the head...
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:07 PM
Nov 2013

In all seriousness, someone must ask why the Dolphins organization didn't handle this internally, because this isn't the first instance of teammates having some kind of conflict or grudge, etc...

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
16. Not to defend
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 03:19 PM
Nov 2013

the front office or coaches, but it could be entirely possible they didn't know any of this was going on.

I just read a weekly chat piece by Tedy Bruschi (former NE player) who said that often times rookies would be "hazed" by being "forced" to buy dinner for the rest of the team. The bill would often run in the thousands of dollars.

It went on like that for a while until BB found out about it and said it needed to stop.

And that's not even covert bullying.

So, yeah...I can imagine lots of stuff slipping under the radar of the front office. Now that it's out in the open, though, it needs to be fixed, even if it means firing good playmakers.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
17. If the coach honestly doesn't know what's going on
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 03:45 PM
Nov 2013

in HIS locker room (especially something that involves multiple teammates)...I can't even entertain that; it's too insulting to anyone with basic intelligence...

If all this stuff happened on free time, off-days, etc. far away from team facilities, then *maybe* there is a tiny shred of deniability...

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
27. Several times.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 06:30 PM
Nov 2013

This past spring the most recent. Apparently Dolphins coaching staff knew, and did nothing.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
2. Jesus...as a football fan, I'm disgusted.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:10 PM
Nov 2013

As a mother, my heart bleeds for this young man (Martin), and I would love to ground Icognito's mouthy little butt for life.

As a Packer fan who adored Joe Philbin once upon a time...Where the hell were you, Coach? You can't preach respect and hold players accountable, and claim you didn't know about this.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9912677/miami-dolphins-coach-joe-philbin-talks-respect-amid-jonathan-martin-bullying-reports

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
18. As a human I'm disgusted
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 03:53 PM
Nov 2013

That said, I threaten people with oral defecation nearly daily. It works wonders for my marriage...

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
20. Looks like the rotten apple didn't fall far from the hate tree
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 04:06 PM
Nov 2013

Early this morning, a poster with the username "idrd1994" left an impassioned defense of Incognito on the FinHeaven message board. In it, he attacked both Martin and Mike Pouncey as "black brothers that do drugs on a regular basis," and asked readers to "pray [GM Jeff] Ireland and [coach Joe] Philbin die of AIDS."

A Google search for "idrd1994" turns up a number of posts on RC car message boards, from a user claiming to live in Arizona—where the Incognitos moved when Richie Jr. was 11. "idrd1994" is also a profile on MyLife.com, registered under one Richie Incognito, age 63, from Glendale, Ariz.
Update: Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald spoke to the FinHeaven board administrator. idrd1994 registered with a date of birth of 12/14/1949, which matches Richie Incognito Sr.'s birthday.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
4. I wish I could be even half way surprised by the cyberstalking
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:49 PM
Nov 2013

on the part of dad. A lot of this behavior is enabled by parents from early on, and comes from places where bullying has been part of a cycle.

I am willing to bet a dime on the dollar, from what we know today of the behavior, dad was a bully as well, and still is in fact.

Damn, I think now I can have this in a very current story.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
6. This is workplace harassment and cyberstalking. Arent they illegal?
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:53 PM
Nov 2013

Disgusting.

The coach needs some lessons on how to build a team that works together with respect and discipline.

It starts at the top.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
28. Coach Philbin knew.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 06:36 PM
Nov 2013

Martin reported incidents as recently as this past spring. Philbin knew, and did nothing. Looks like he and Dolphins will be named in huge lawsuit.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. And this fits the pattern of adult bullies to a T
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 03:02 PM
Nov 2013
considering Richie Jr. was bullied as a child. A 2003 ESPN profile of the then-Nebraska player recalls how Richie Jr. was teased for his weight as a child, until his father told him "you can't let them keep doing it," and the young Incognito punched out his tormentor.


http://deadspin.com/is-richie-incognitos-dad-blasting-jonathan-martin-on-m-1457997230

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
12. If Richie Incognito ever sees the inside of a locker room again, it'll be a miracle.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 03:05 PM
Nov 2013

And Martin should demand a trade. I can think of plenty of teams that would be happy to have him and where this shit would NOT be tolerated.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
22. Incognito has a history of nasty incidents.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 04:19 PM
Nov 2013

He was suspended for ONE YEAR at Nebraska. This was after his freshman year when he was an All-American. He really had to be something to get a whole year off. Even Lawrence Phillips didn't get a year, and he was a piece of work.

IMHO Incognito is a bully period. He would be nasty no matter what he did. Playing in the macho culture of football gave him the perfect cover. If he bullied somebody and they didn't want to push back, he wouldn't be blamed. The other person would be called weak. That is exactly what's happening in some areas among some people. Martin is seen as 'soft.'

Incognito wants to stir trouble. His dream is to get under other people's skin or get them in trouble with him.
BTW he was voted the second dirtiest player in the NFL.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. I will add, he was bullied as a child
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 04:34 PM
Nov 2013

and it is a common pattern that bullied children grow up to become bullies themselves. It is about control for the bully,

Uncle Joe

(58,370 posts)
26. Incognito is sick and needs major counseling before his racist hatred totally consumes him.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 05:19 PM
Nov 2013

He shouldn't be allowed in the NFL.

Thanks for the thread, grits.

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
29. The coaches at my HS
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 06:55 PM
Nov 2013

loved to turn the other way as the bullies bullied the smaller kids. I was harassed in gym class until I took vengeance, no one fucked with me again. I didn't break 100 pounds until my sophomore year.

SO this IS NO surprise to me.

Why I don't follow professional sports as much as I did when I was a kid.

Still a Cubs and bears fan, but no fanaticism.

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