MSNBC Rejects Christian Leaders' Ad Exposing Hate Group Leader Who Appears Regularly on the Network

[xchrom]

http://www.faithfulamerica.org/

Amid a growing outcry from Christian leaders to take Family Research Council President Tony Perkins off the air, MSNBC yesterday rejected an ad exposing his and FRC's extensive record of hate speech against gay and lesbian Americans. Perkins has appeared on MSNBC 23 times since his organization was designated a hate group, most recently last week on Hardball with Chris Matthews.

You can view the rejected ad here:

"Clearly MSNBC doesn't want its viewers to know the truth about one of their frequent guests. If network executives consider Tony Perkins' false and hateful rhetoric about gays and lesbians inappropriate for an ad, then he shouldn't have any place on their programming," said Michael Sherrard, head of Faithful America.

A representative from MSNBC wrote, "Thank you for providing the ad and substantiation. Our policy states that we have sole discretion to accept or reject an ad based on its appropriateness. In this instance we are rejecting the ad."

*** media bias about which christian voices are heard.

[nolabear]

1. Well hell, they have Republicans on all the time too.

I don't know the guy. Is he on defending those viewpoints or on as an expert or what?

[xchrom]

2. Tony Perkins (politician)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Perkins_%28politician%29



Anthony Richard Perkins, known as Tony Perkins (born March 20, 1963), is president of the Family Research Council, a conservative Christian think tank and public policy foundation based in Washington, D.C. Perkins formerly resided in Baker in East Baton Rouge Parish, Louisiana, when he served two terms as a Republican member of the Louisiana House of Representatives.

***snip

Family Research Council
Perkins became the President of the conservative Christian Family Research Council, a political offshoot of James Dobson's Focus on the Family, in September 2003. He succeeded Ken Connor, who returned to Florida to practice law. In taking the Family Research presidency, Perkins abandoned his pending race for Louisiana state insurance commissioner. The incumbent, Democrat J. Robert Wooley, was then reelected over Perkins' endorsed choice, Republican former legislative auditor Dan Kyle. In 2006, Wooley resigned the position, and it was taken by his Republican first assistant, Jim Donelon.
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*** he is a big whig in an actual hate group -- it's the family research council -- but i won't link to it.

[OKNancy]

3. They don't need advertising to prove he is a jerk

Every time he is on, his true colors shine. It's not like MSNBC promotes the guy. Most often when he appears as a guest, the hosts or the panel rips into him.

[dsc]

7. but would they have David Duke on to speak about civil rights even if only to rip into him

I have my doubts.

[xchrom]

8. +1

[FreeState]

32. +2

[think]

4. My skin crawls just seeing his mug on TV. He is repulsive. /nt

[lsewpershad]

9. That's why

whenever he's on I switch channels.

[csziggy]

10. +1000000

So do I, not just with Perkins but with any of the right wing hate mongers MSNBC has on. Maybe they are just trying to be "fair and balanced" but I don't have to watch people like that.

[Shankapotomus]

5. MSNBC may not air the ad

But I bet they are rethinking having Perkins as a guest.

[KharmaTrain]

6. Perkins Is A Good Punching Bag...

...Most times he's on with Tweety its to defend yet another silly right wing folly. He's usually on the defensive and rarely comes out looking good. Lately he's been on to help wedge one rushpublican candidate against another.

MSNBC is not a left wing echo chamber nor should it be. While Perkins is as slimey as they come, his appearances on MSNBC usually make him look even sleezier.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. His appearances make MSNBC look sleazy while lending him an air of legitimacy.

They place him and his opinions, out of hundreds of millions of Americans, in the spotlight as if his angle on things was in the realm of reason. They do so for their own profit.
Your own post tells us that you think it 'usually' makes him look sleazy, not always. He rarely comes out looking good, yet sometimes he does. 'They only promote hate 30% of the time they place hate mongers on the air' is not much of an argument for employing such people if you ask me.

[KharmaTrain]

26. I Expect People Can Make Up Their Own Minds...

I'm not interested in watching an echo chamber...be it right or left. Ignoring them doesn't make these sleezeballs go away...if anything it was years of those on the left trying to ignore them that only let them grow into the monsters they are today. I don't see how Perkins and his ilk "profit" when they get bashed around on MSNBC...they have enough scams going and by shedding a little light on these roaches it may even wake some people up to the hypocrisies and hatred of these people.

Whatever "legitimacy" Perkins has wasn't vested by an appearance on MSNBC and censoring him won't make him go away either. File it under "keep your friends close and your competitors closer"...if you don't like it, don't watch it, but let others make up their own minds as to what "legitimacy" he or any right wing nutcase presents...

[HillWilliam]

27. What part of "hate group" don't you get?

Does MSNBC have the Klan or League of the South on? Ah, nawp. DU would be up in arms if a grand wizard or a southern separatist were given a regular platform to spew their hate.

Why is anti-LGBT bigotry "not as bad" as racism or any other form of bigotry, so much "less offensive" it has to be given a legitimate platform anywhere. Just askin'. Giving a known hate group a platform is tantamount to acceding to the notion they have anything of value to say.

But don't take my word for it. SPLC has plenty to say.

Just my gay $.03.

[Honeycombe8]

11. A network won't accept an ad that is against that network? Well, duh. Substance doesn't matter...

it's that it is anti-MSNBC. CNN, Fox, and any other network would be foolish to accept an ad that spews venom toward its own network. Would you let someone in your house who means you harm?

[xchrom]

14. Venom? What an interesting response. Nt

[Bluenorthwest]

21. Here is a quote from the guy you think they should defend...

"Supporters of V. Gene Robinson, the newly consecrated homosexual Episcopal bishop, claim his elevation sends "a powerful message of love and tolerance." However, it is not "tolerant" to brush off opposition to the consecration of a homosexual bishop. Nor is it "loving" to suppress evidence that homosexual behavior is a "death-style" that is sending young people to an early grave." -Tony Perkins, Washington Update, November 4, 2003

Hate toward not just gay people, also toward the Episcopal Church. This quote comes from Right Wing Watch, a site you might want to look at.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/family-research-council

Here's quote from their President:
"Do you really think that when our troops from Delta Force crawl into Osama bin Laden's cave in Afghanistan or into the face of the muzzle of a terrorist machine gun, that they are doing it so that women can kill their children, so that pornographers can peddle their smut, so that people of the same sex can marry? If those features of American life become the fixtures of American life, I fear that our nation may not long endure." — President Ken Connor,
from "Reflections After the Terror,"October 2, 2001

So there you go.

[Honeycombe8]

38. You missed the point of my post.

The whole point of my post is to point out that it doesn't matter WHAT the substance of the ad is. As long as teh POINT of the ad is anti-MSNBC, it won't be aired on that network.

No network is going to air an ad AGAINST ITSELF, regardless of the other substance in the ad. It's not gonna happen. Ever. Duh. Cnn won't do it, Fox won't do it, CBS won't do it, NBC won't do it, ABC won't do it, Comedy Central won't do it, Current won't do it, etc.

I'm not defending the gay-hater guy. He has nothing to do with WHY the network rejected the ad. It's because the ad is against the network. Would you wear a sign on your back that says you're a a-hole, if someone gave you $10 to do it, and everyone knew the sign wasn't a joke?

That's all I'm pointing out And whoever tried to place that ad knew that it would be rejected. Because that's a no brainer.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. I don't let MSNBC into my house, as their cast of characters does in fact mean us harm.

Ya know?

[FedUp_Queer]

37. The last I checked...

The airwaves are PUBLIC property. When a network broadcasts, it broadcasts over the public airwaves. The government (supposed to be of the people) grants them a license to use OUR property. This is not an issue of MSNBC owning anything. They don't own anything other than a revocable right we, the people grant them.

[shcrane71]

39. True. However, the FCC only concerns itself with costume mishaps during the Super Bowl.

Spokesmen for hate groups, or jerks soliciting pornography on public airwaves isn't a concern for the FCC.

[FedUp_Queer]

41. Das ist nicht ein Booby!!!

Do we even have a government any more? Should there even be an FCC?

[shcrane71]

42. I believe there should be an FCC, and we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

Parameters do need to be set for civil discourse. I'm even more convinced of this after dealing with very young children. If adults insist upon the uses of "Thank You", "You're Welcome", and other manners, in my experience, it decreases the number of melt-downs amongst toddlers. So, I'm applying what I've learned from toddlers on the macroeconomic level.

[FedUp_Queer]

43. Who could argue that in concept.

When, however, does "civil discourse" spill over into censorship? For instance, I can't stand Fred Phelps and the morons of the Westboro Baptist Cult. However, I support their right to picket wherever they want to picket (on public property; for example, public roads, sidewalks and the like). Certainly, what they do could not be further from civil. As many on here know, I am a free speech purist (and some would say to a fault). I think things like the fairness doctrine don't hamper that. It requires MORE speech over our public property. If a network, station or paper wants to require civility, it's their right. When the government becomes involved, I don't know you regulate "civility" as a practical matter.

[shcrane71]

50. I agree with you that Fred Phelps and his ilk have the right to protest on public property. They do

not have the right to monopolize the commons, nor does anyone. Limbaugh, Laura Schlessinger, and others (I don't listen to the crap), have monopolized the AM radio dial for vast parts of the country. The broadcast spectrum on your AM/FM dial is a limited resource, and the FCC can regulate that (think of George Carlin's 7 dirty words, nudity, obscenity...).

[FedUp_Queer]

57. I don't disagree with you at all.

Let me say that, as a matter of principle, I don't think the FCC should regulate nudity, the 7 dirty words, etc. In fact, given the Cohen v California case (where the USSC held that "fuck the draft" on a guy's jacket which he wore in a court house) was, in fact, protected speech, I think that argument that the FCC is not constitutional would not be that tough to make. This is why I don't think the fairness doctrine is unconstitutional, particularly for a public property licensee.

[BiggJawn]

44. MSNBC is a broadcast network?

Since when?

I thought they were a cable network.
The inside of that piece of 1" hardline don't belong to the public.

Hey, your rant's righteous and all, but it's pointed in the wrong direction.

[FedUp_Queer]

46. They have a license to broadcast.

So, which direction do you think I should point in?

[BiggJawn]

48. They do not broadcast.

Would you care to cite which over-the-air outlets carry MSNBC?

They're a fucking CABLE network. We're not talking NBC here, we're talking *MS*NBC, the cable network. CABLE NETWORK! NOT A BROADCAST NETWORK!

[FedUp_Queer]

49. You're not worth it.

So, I won't try.

[BiggJawn]

51. Fine. Enjoy your delusion. Go call the FCC.

They will tell you they have no jurisdiction because MSMBC is not a broadcast outlet.

How many years you been in Broadcasting? I have 30 years Radio, TV, Cable and Satellite experience.

[onenote]

54. MSNBC is not licensed by the government.

Sorry, but they aren't. You can hunt all day long if you want and you won't find a license for MSNBC.

[SoCalDem]

52. "Public" in theory only, these days

A very long time has passed since the days of real public ownership. The rights to those airwaves are auctioned off the the highest bidder by the people we elect to do our bidding.

What we end up with is "giving them away" (since none of us receives any recompense), and in exchange for the "gift", we are then "allowed" to pay to receive transmissions:

pay for cable/dish/direct/satellite radio or some other service to get anything more than a few local stations (if we are lucky)..

endure endless commercials on "regular" radio alongside the mostly right wing agenda messages of most programming.

[FedUp_Queer]

56. Sadly.

I don't disagree at all. However, they are de jure public. Given that, isn't it OUR responsibility to assert control over OUR property. I wish you weren't right, but you are.

[onenote]

61. I suppose you can say they they are "public" in the same way that my cell phone calls are "public"

MSNBC doesn't have or need any license from the FCC. They transmit their service via a satellite transponder that they lease from the owner of the satellite. The owner of the satellite has obtained, via auction, the right to deliver signals using certain radio frequencies.

When I make a cell phone call, I am sending content over a portion of the radio spectrum that I have effectively "leased" from a wireless telephone company that has obtained the rights to use that spectrum in an auction.

Could the government have adopted a different approach? Yes. But they didn't. Which is why broadcasting (in which a broadcaster is granted a license to use a portion of the spectrum for "free" in return for being subject to certain (rapidly diminishing) public interest obligations is different from MSBNC, HBO, and my cell phone calls.

[FedUp_Queer]

62. You know I wasn't responding to you, right?

Didn't your mother ever teach you to speak only when one speaks to you? Didn't your mother teach you to not butt in to others' conversations?

[onenote]

63. If you want to have a private conversation, you should send private messages

If you post on the board, its fair game for comment by anyone and everyone. I guess your mother didn't teach you that.

[onenote]

53. MSNBC is not a broadcast network

And Congress, the courts, and the FCC have all distinguished broadcast networks (which are licensed to use the public airwaves) and non-broadcast services (which are not).

[Honeycombe8]

12. Does the country have a hate group designator? I didn't know that. Who is he?

Or what group is that? Does it have a website with a list of hate groups on it?

[xchrom]

15. southern poverty law center for one

http://www.splcenter.org/


Active U.S. Hate Groups

The Southern Poverty Law Center counted 1,018 active hate groups in the United States in 2011. Only organizations and their chapters known to be active during 2011 are included.

All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.

This list was compiled using hate group publications and websites, citizen and law enforcement reports, field sources and news reports.

Hate group activities can include criminal acts, marches, rallies, speeches, meetings, leafleting or publishing. Websites appearing to be merely the work of a single individual, rather than the publication of a group, are not included in this list. Listing here does not imply a group advocates or engages in violence or other criminal activity.

*** so for example in north carolina there are 34
American Aryan Reich

Neo-Nazi

Raleigh
Aryan Nations 88

Neo-Nazi

East Bend
Aryan Terror Brigade

Racist Skinhead

Blood and Honour U.S.A

Racist Skinhead

Christian Phalange

Anti-Muslim

Newton
Confederate Hammerskins

Racist Skinhead

Council of Conservative Citizens

White Nationalist

Clemmons
Council of Conservative Citizens

White Nationalist

Raleigh
Creativity Alliance

Neo-Nazi

Crew 38

Racist Skinhead

Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ

Black Separatist

Goldsboro
Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ

Black Separatist

Fayetteville
Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ

Black Separatist

Wilmington
League of the South

Neo-Confederate

Wilmington
Nation of Islam

Black Separatist

Winston-Salem
Nation of Islam

Black Separatist

Durham
Nation of Islam

Black Separatist

Greenville
Nation of Islam

Black Separatist

Charlotte
National Alliance

Neo-Nazi

Raleigh
National Black Foot Soldier Network

Black Separatist

Chapel Hill
National Black Foot Soldier Network

Black Separatist

Raleigh
National Black Foot Soldier Network

Black Separatist

Durham
National Black Foot Soldier Network

Black Separatist

National Socialist Movement

Neo-Nazi

Old Glory Skinheads

Racist Skinhead

Original Knight Riders Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (W., Va.)

Ku Klux Klan

Moyock
Rebel Brigade Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

Ku Klux Klan

Eden
Rebel Brigade Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

Ku Klux Klan

Pelham
Rebel Brigade Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

Ku Klux Klan

Benson
South Africa Project

White Nationalist

Supreme White Alliance

Racist Skinhead

True Invisible Empire Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

Ku Klux Klan

Greensboro
United Knights Of Tennessee Order Of The Ku Klux Klan

Ku Klux Klan

United Northern and Southern Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

Ku Klux Klan



Newly Designated Anti-Gay Hate Groups Earned That Distinction
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/03/09/441448/anti-gay-hate-groups-earned-that-distinction/

esterday, ThinkProgress LGBT noted that a new report by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) identifies 27 active anti-gay hate groups, up from 17 in 2010. Sadly, the 11 groups new to this list from last year richly deserved the dubious honor.

They are:

* United Families International (Gilbert, AZ): This group backed the sodomy laws ruled unconstitutional in the Lawrence v. Texas case and has argued “No one is ‘born that way.’ Policies that would normalize homosexuality by equating homosexual behavior with innate characteristics such as race or ethnicity should be opposed.”
* Save California (Sacramento, CA): The group is leading the charge to repeal California’s FAIR Education Act, hoping to stop teachers from “kidnapping the brains of kids” by teaching about the contributions of LGBT Americans. Save California’s head, Randy Thomasson, blamed a bullied and murdered gay teen for his own death.
* Sons of Thundr (Faith Baptist Church) (Luthersville, GA): The church’s website feautures a “sodomites can be saved” section which claims “ALL HOMOS ARE: SICK, BRAIN DAMAGED, PERVERTS!”
* You Can Run, But You Cannot Hide (Annandale, MN). Bradlee Dean, the group’s president and CEO, has said, “The gay ‘movement’ is part of a sexual revolution that has stripped sexuality of all moral significance for an entire generation. We cannot accept the physical prosecution of homosexuals and we cannot accept the proposal that homosexuality is either private or moral,” but notes he is opposed to actually executing LGBT citizens.
* Parents Action League (Champlin, MN): A small group of parents in the bullying-riddled Anoka-Hennepin School District want to require schools to teach that AIDS is a gay disease and to promote harmful and ineffective ex-gay therapy.
* Jewish Political Action Committee (Brooklyn, NY): This group claims that marriage equality in New York State has created a “surge” of child molestation and distributes signs that say “G-d sent AIDS to punish male gays.”
* Mission: America (Columbus, OH): Lead by Linda Harvey, who has been dubbed “the most homophobic woman in America,” this group has discouraged the hiring of gay and lesbian employees and claimed that “there is no proof” that gay, lesbian or bisexual or transgendered people even exist.
* Windsor Hills Baptist Church (Oklahoma City, OK): The church’s pastor, Tom Vineyard, argued against an employment non-discrimination proposal by making the bizarre claim that half of all murders in large cities are by gay people.
* True Light Pentecost Church (Spartanburg, SC): On the church’s blog, it warns that “The sub-human culture created by the anti-christ and magnified by the Sodomite/Lesbian movement,” has “brought end-time prophecy to a final state,” and encourages followers to “fight the great sodomite/lesbian army.”
* Tom Brown Ministries (El Paso, TX): Pastor and exorcist Tom Brown led the charge in El Paso to rescind an employment non-discrimination law he felt was “condoning immorality.” He also preaches that “homosexuality is actually an emotional, psychological disorder brought on early in childhood.”
* Public Advocate of the United States (Falls Church, VA): Run by Loudoun County, Virginia Supervisor Eugene Delguaido (R), this group is infamous for its over-the-top anti-gay fundraising letters, including comments like, “As homosexuals die off due to AIDS, the remaining AIDS carriers prey on children to replenish the ‘Homosexual Community.’”

The SPLC observed that the advances of the LGBT equality movement “seemed to set off a furious rage on the religious right, with renewed efforts to ban or repeal marriage equality and what seemed to be an intensification of anti-gay propaganda in certain quarters.” These hate groups clearly are among those quarters.


*** my impression of you is that you aren't interested in my communities = rights -- perhaps hostile to them.

[Honeycombe8]

17. I don't see a list on the spl site.

Thinkprogress is not a neutral organization, so it's natural that other organizations would use it as a guideline.

Just as I thought. There is no "hate group designator" in the United States.

[xchrom]

18. there's an interactive map at the site -- so you must not have looked. -- and what is

a 'neutral' site to you -- the list from think progess came from southern poverty law center.

splc is this countries foremost authority -- outside of the fbi -- on hate groups.

as i said before -- you are apparently hostile to lgbtiq =.

[Honeycombe8]

36. I saw a map. I did not see a list. No, I'm not hostile to anyone who is against hate groups.

I just want to point out that there is not an official hate group designator, so it isn't fair to say that a network is letting an officially designated hate group on its airwaves to promote hate. That simply is not true and is a statement meant to incite anger against a network.

What is true that a network didn't allow an ad that YOU liked, and that points out that a group that YOU and SOME organizations regard as a hate group is being allowed on that network a lot of times.

But then I'm a very literal person. When I read a headline, I expect the facts to be exactly as stated or implied in the headline.

[xchrom]

47. You didn't read what was provided for you &

Interpreted on your own - as you continue to do.

You're about the only person I've ever run across who didn't accept SPLC designations for hate groups.

Excepting hate groups, of course.

[GodlessBiker]

23. Actually, there are many. We all are, as a matter of fact. Some of us, however, trust the judgment

of SPLC so we go to them to see what the hate groups are up to.

You are free not to do so.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. SPLC-

"The Southern Poverty Law Center is a nonprofit civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society.

Founded by civil rights lawyers Morris Dees and Joseph Levin Jr. in 1971, the SPLC is internationally known for tracking and exposing the activities of hate groups. Our innovative Teaching Tolerance program produces and distributes – free of charge – documentary films, books, lesson plans and other materials that promote tolerance and respect in our nation’s schools.

We are based in Montgomery, Ala., the birthplace of the modern civil rights movement, and have offices in Atlanta, New Orleans, Miami, Fla., and Jackson, Miss."

Most Americans are aware of their work and history. You should know this as well.
http://www.splcenter.org/who-we-are

[RZM]

30. 'Most Americans are aware of their work and history'

LOL. I'll bet only 1 in 10 could even tell you what SPLC stands for. Even fewer people could tell you what they do.

[KG]

13. rec.

[LiberalFighter]

16. need to twit bomb the hell out any tv host that has him on as a host.

[Bluenorthwest]

19. MSNBC's stock in trade includes promotion of hate mongers. Rachel is not worth it.

I do not watch them as they are to me like folks who 'spar' with the KKK for sport. I watched Al's show once, as I owe him that. That's it. They are without ethics. They seek out hate mongers and call them 'our guest'. For doing so, Ed and Rachel get millions. I don't, so I do not need to watch them pander to hate groups.

[xchrom]

24. i'll watch them -- but i make it a point not to watch when tony perkins or

other hate mongers are on as guests..
i see no reason to support them in that endeavor.

[Vanje]

28. K&R

Family Research Council is a hate group according to Southern Poverty Law Center.
SPLC wrote the book on hate groups.

[SomethingFishy]

29. That guy is....

PSYCHO.

Wonder what's in his basement.

[girl gone mad]

31. k & r

[William769]

33. For the people that don't have a problem with this.

"The function of FRC is to promote what it considers to be traditional family values, by advocating and lobbying for socially conservative policies. It advocates against LGBT rights, abortion, divorce, embryonic stem-cell research, the theory that global warming is the result of human activity, and pornography. The FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[2] Tony Perkins is the current president of FRC. The organization has been involved in the politics of social policy."


So it's not just LGBT rights, but hey if your fine with this...

[xchrom]

34. +1

[jwirr]

35. MSNBC is just giving me a chance to use the mute botton. I will not listen to them and I often

just quit watching the show even when I love the commentator.

[jerseyjack]

40. Post a link to MSNBC or a petition on Change.org

[BiggJawn]

45. Took 'em long enough to get rid of Rachel's "Uncle Pat"...

Or should that be "Onkel" Pat?

[Creideiki]

55. Rachel seemed to enjoy having "Uncle Pat" on her show

Then again, I sometimes suspect that Rachel likes to play with her food, also.

She'd just lead Buchanan down the primrose path to where he was sitting eating air like a fish.

[BiggJawn]

59. She dearly enjoys a good chew toy, don't she?

But Buchanan's so rancid I seldom hung around long enough for her to pull the string. Just one wheeze out of that gasbag and I was diving for the remote...

[otohara]

58. Post It On Their Facebook Page

if we all do it....

BAM

[G_j]

60. K&R