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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe entire NSA spying operation was nothing more than a cover-up of their own incompetence.
(from an old article)
http://web.archive.org/web/20020806083614/http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/3416632.htm
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WASHINGTON A secretive U.S. eavesdropping agency monitored telephone conversations before Sept. 11 between the suspected commander of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks and the alleged chief hijacker, but did not share the information with other intelligence agencies, U.S. officials said Thursday.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the conversations between Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Mohammed Atta were intercepted by the National Security Agency, or NSA, an intelligence agency that monitors and decodes foreign communications.
The NSA failed to share the intercepts with the CIA or other U.S. intelligence agencies, the officials told Knight Ridder. It also failed to promptly translate some intercepted Arabic language conversations, a senior intelligence official said.
The officials declined to disclose the nature of the discussions between Mohammed, a known leader of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network who is on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists list, and Atta, who piloted one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is believed to be hiding in Pakistan.
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)...and Cheney let it happen...thats how they got their beloved Patriot Act passed which was written before 911. Who are the real traitors?
Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)Thanks for the thread, kentuck.
monmouth3
(3,871 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)That's the question.
Are we supposed to think they just sat on those intercepts?
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Yes, Bush and Cheney knew this was going on also. The entire "war on terror" was intended to divert the people's attention from the truth and the disastrous incompetence of the Bush White House. The invasion of Iraq was based on lies. We have lost many lives and spent trillions of dollars because of Republican incompetence.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)to be able to institute their program.
The Cheney administration may have gotten a bit more than they expected through LIHOP, but they were obviously prepared to immediately seize the opportunity and put in motion their plans for exploiting the position of only standing superpower.
Yes they messed it up with respect to benefits to Americans, but doesn't mean their corporate interests didn't win big.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Which is why I've always thought this look on Bush's face as the planes hit the towers was one that said "that crazy bastard Cheney actually went through with it".........
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)It took him 7 years to gain back some of it.
and this world we are suffering through now was all designed and implemented purposefully.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)PNAC, BushvGore, 9/11, Patriot act, War on Terror. These are all the things that lead to the movements that this message board is a child of. We can not forget our roots or hand over the movement to the Turd way- that is, in all reality, working for the other team.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)But then there's this:
"Security screwups are not very uncommon. But this is a first."
MotherJones
By Nick Baumann
Fri Dec. 20, 2013 3:00 AM GMT
In a lapse that national security experts call baffling, a high-ranking FBI agent filed a sensitive internal manual detailing the bureau's secret interrogation procedures with the Library of Congress, where anyone with a library card can read it.
For years, the American Civil Liberties Union fought a legal battle to force the FBI to release a range of documents concerning FBI guidelines, including this one, which covers the practices agents are supposed to employ when questioning suspects.
Through all this, unbeknownst to the ACLU and the FBI, the manual sat in a government archive open to the public. When the FBI finally relented and provided the ACLU a version of the interrogation guidebook last year, it was heavily redacted; entire pages were blacked out. But the version available at the Library of Congress, which a Mother Jones reporter reviewed last week, contains no redactions.
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annabanana
(52,791 posts)No one would pubish this mess under the rubic of Fiction. . . .
Too far-fetched.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)are like a bunch of husbands that are pissed off that the wife was told about their mistress. They demonize the person that told on them, they demonize how the information came to light, and they demonize the fact that it shatters their relationship.
They never seem to get the fact that the relationship was shattered due to infidelity - no. It is everyone else's fault.
aggiesal
(8,923 posts)We all know GW McIdiot could do no wrong.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... we have gender wars and reality tv nonsense.