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Melissa Harris Perry just gave a good and heartfelt apology. (Original Post) blogslut Jan 2014 OP
Good. It deserved an apology. It seemed so out of character for her. Squinch Jan 2014 #1
I'm betting that her circle of good feminist friends and colleagues have comforted her... CTyankee Jan 2014 #3
We all say stupid things, especially when we are talking off the cuff...what makes you a big person all american girl Jan 2014 #4
Propaganda openfield Jan 2014 #31
Sounds like you didn't see the show brush Jan 2014 #35
This post and the one above by openfield, are arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #36
I did see it. She laughed along Squinch Jan 2014 #42
My point was there was no . . . brush Jan 2014 #47
Her apology seemed, to me, to be VERY sincere, and not something she had to do even though she Squinch Jan 2014 #48
And no "if I offended anyone..." all american girl Jan 2014 #2
The weasels won't even offer that much. bvar22 Jan 2014 #58
I'm sure Fox is already rewording it to continue the outrage ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #5
Maybe. All the more reason to support her maturity and willingness to admit a wrong. nolabear Jan 2014 #11
I watched. I applauded her. I cried along with her. n/t lamp_shade Jan 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author mfcorey1 Jan 2014 #7
Me too! I am also glad that MSNBC allowed her to speak instead of pressing mfcorey1 Jan 2014 #9
Martin sincerely apologized too and they still arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #37
Martin took it to a different level ... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #55
In the moment he did but in reflection he took arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #56
I just posted a similar thread. She was eloquent and mature and graceful. nolabear Jan 2014 #8
Excellent apology. Time to move on. Mass Jan 2014 #10
I agree Gothmog Jan 2014 #12
I saw that ceeRoy Jan 2014 #13
The expectation for people on the right and those on the Left are different. People on the Left bluestate10 Jan 2014 #16
+1 nolabear Jan 2014 #22
I think you meant "toward any public personality on the left.". nt tblue37 Jan 2014 #33
Hopefully, she does some shows on trans-racial adoption and trans-racial children and their bluestate10 Jan 2014 #14
I think this experience has been especially hurtful to her because of her own personal Skidmore Jan 2014 #26
Apologizing only makes it look like we are the same as them. Dawgs Jan 2014 #15
Apologize sincerely when you are wrong, fight like hell when you are right. Tom Rinaldo Jan 2014 #17
I think the inverse of that is true. blogslut Jan 2014 #18
The point is that the right leaning "media" will be able to say that they are both the same. n/t Dawgs Jan 2014 #23
She was right to apologize. Her own role in the segment in question was non offensive, her bluestate10 Jan 2014 #21
BS. I saw the segment and her guests were comedians. Dawgs Jan 2014 #25
okay blogslut Jan 2014 #32
Make the guests come on the show and apologize. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #51
She may have been apologizing for laughing along with her guests Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #52
The guests had a valid point. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #53
Maybe, maybe not, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #54
She felt the need to do this. I respect her even more now. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #27
Well then she's dumb. n/t Dawgs Jan 2014 #29
Why? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #30
Pot, meet kettle. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #43
Riii-ight. Skidmore Jan 2014 #28
I don't understand why she's apologizing to US. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #40
Was this a new apology? seveneyes Jan 2014 #19
It was a live, on air apology blogslut Jan 2014 #20
It was a televised apology, made immediately after her show came on. nt bluestate10 Jan 2014 #24
She had nothing to apologize for as far as I'm concerned bonzaga Jan 2014 #34
She had a reason for the apology and she gave a more-than-sufficient one. Cooley Hurd Jan 2014 #38
No, she didn't say anything offensive, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #44
Agreed. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #50
Good, let's hope she's learned something LittleBlue Jan 2014 #39
I must strongly disagree kathysart_decoration Jan 2014 #41
Oh my. blogslut Jan 2014 #45
I just watched the video Lifelong Dem Jan 2014 #46
She apologized for something she didn't even do? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #49
Why are we always apologizing and the right wing nut jobs like Palin and doc03 Jan 2014 #57

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
1. Good. It deserved an apology. It seemed so out of character for her.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jan 2014
They won't let her move on, but I think we should.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
3. I'm betting that her circle of good feminist friends and colleagues have comforted her...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:08 AM
Jan 2014

I think we should all just let it go...

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
4. We all say stupid things, especially when we are talking off the cuff...what makes you a big person
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jan 2014

is when you realize that it was stupid and apologize.

brush

(53,774 posts)
35. Sounds like you didn't see the show
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:05 PM
Jan 2014

There wasn't much to apologize for. MHP wasn't the one who made the "controversial" remark. There was no mocking, no mean spiritedness towards the child. A family photo of the Romney clan was shown with Mittens holding his black, adopted grandson while surrounded by the rest of his huge family. A joke by one of the guests was made as the photo reminded him about repug "whiteness", which is kinda true since that party is 95% white and seeming to like it that way.

This whole thing is a manufactured crisis that will pass. MSNBC has to know that firing MHP on top of the Bashir firing will drive away many viewers, including this one.

She'll survive this because there's nothing to the "crisis" as it's all on tape for anyone to see.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
42. I did see it. She laughed along
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jan 2014

when someone else said the "one of these things is not like the other line."

It seemed like it was a passing remark by the guest that she didn't expect, and the laughter was possibly polite, possibly joining in the joke.

ANd PS, it appears that she agrees that an apology was warranted.

brush

(53,774 posts)
47. My point was there was no . . .
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jan 2014

mocking of the baby or mean-spiritness by MHP.

There was some cooing about the cuteness of the baby though.

No apology was really necessary but to quiet the repug talking point spewers she did what she had to do, even though she didn't make the "controversial" remark.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
48. Her apology seemed, to me, to be VERY sincere, and not something she had to do even though she
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jan 2014

didn't think it was warranted.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
58. The weasels won't even offer that much.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 05:46 PM
Jan 2014

They will use the Passive Voice and say,
"If someone was offended..."
or
"Mistakes were made..."

....like these things happen all by themselves.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
5. I'm sure Fox is already rewording it to continue the outrage
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jan 2014

And CNN will breathlessly report whatever they say.

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
11. Maybe. All the more reason to support her maturity and willingness to admit a wrong.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jan 2014

If she can lead by any kind of example at all, she's doing a good job.

Response to lamp_shade (Reply #6)

arthritisR_US

(7,287 posts)
56. In the moment he did but in reflection he took
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jan 2014

it back and gave a very gracious and sincere apology and that should have been the end of it, IMO.

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
8. I just posted a similar thread. She was eloquent and mature and graceful.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:12 AM
Jan 2014

Humility isn't the same as submission. She showed real strength by being vulnerable and then going on and doing what she does well.

 

ceeRoy

(69 posts)
13. I saw that
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:21 AM
Jan 2014

but i'm missing something....i don't understand what the controversy was about. how is it those on the right even on faux news say mocking things towards any public personality on the the right and they are not pressured to apologize like those on the left....i don't understand it...and we turn and cower out apologies. i guess the right determine whether we eat or not or hold our jobs....sad!!

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
16. The expectation for people on the right and those on the Left are different. People on the Left
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:37 AM
Jan 2014

hold themselves to higher standards, and are held to higher standards by their fans. It is clear that the right's failure to adhere to standards or hold itself accountable is starting to hurt that political point of view badly. It is no longer good enough to look at others and point out their failures, people today expect solutions to be presented.

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
22. +1
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:45 AM
Jan 2014

We can't get in that gutter. And I agree that the RW failure is becoming anathema to many, many people.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
14. Hopefully, she does some shows on trans-racial adoption and trans-racial children and their
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jan 2014

experiences during the coming year. Harris-Perry did a show on inter-racial couples a while back, I found that show to be hugely useful toward my understanding and acceptance of marriage for love, regardless of what the partners look like. I think several shows on trans-racial children of all flavors and their experiences with one race kids and their communities would go a enormous way toward increasing universal understanding of what those kids deal with. One problem that trans-racial children deal with is rejection from both sides of their being, at least from non family members - all though I think the problem has been greatly reduced as Millennials have gained more influence.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
26. I think this experience has been especially hurtful to her because of her own personal
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:53 AM
Jan 2014

background, being the child of a mixed racial marriage. Don't even know what to call this anymore--mixed? biracial???? and I am part of one myself. We'll all be better off when we start seeing one another as people and not groups to be classified.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
15. Apologizing only makes it look like we are the same as them.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:33 AM
Jan 2014

She shouldn't have apologized.

I just lost the little respect I had left for her.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
17. Apologize sincerely when you are wrong, fight like hell when you are right.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:38 AM
Jan 2014

No, that doesn't look like typical Republican behavior.

blogslut

(38,000 posts)
18. I think the inverse of that is true.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:38 AM
Jan 2014

They never apologize and, when called on their mis-statements, instead of admitting their crimes, they claim their first amendment rights are under attack.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
23. The point is that the right leaning "media" will be able to say that they are both the same. n/t
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:49 AM
Jan 2014

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
21. She was right to apologize. Her own role in the segment in question was non offensive, her
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:44 AM
Jan 2014

comment was pretty understanding. But a couple of her guests went a little out of bounds and she didn't call them out. I watched Melissa's apology, it was clear to me that the incident affected her deeply on a personal level and she feels that she failed at a time when she shouldn't have failed. I don't think the apology came because of fear for her job, she was deeply, deeply affected by what happened on the segment of her show a week ago. I don't understand why you don't respect Harris-Perry, next to Rachel Maddow, Harris-Perry does some of the most impressive investigative work among journalists today.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
25. BS. I saw the segment and her guests were comedians.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jan 2014

And, what they said was very far from offensive. And, compared to what the right says every day it was nothing.

If she really was sincere that it's even worse than if she was just trying to save her job.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
51. Make the guests come on the show and apologize.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jan 2014

I wouldn't apologize for someone else.

Hell, what did the guests need to apologize for?

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
52. She may have been apologizing for laughing along with her guests
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jan 2014

and showing the photo.
She showed a lot of class by apologizing and now she can move on.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
54. Maybe, maybe not,
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jan 2014

but in this day and age of political correctness, it came across the wrong way and, AFAIC, she did the right thing and now it should be behind her.
I hope Romney has the sense to just let it die.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
43. Pot, meet kettle.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jan 2014

She apologized for the offensive comments of her guests, and, she did laugh at those comments.
She did, IMO, do the right thing and now it's time to move on.
If you can't see that, then carry on.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
19. Was this a new apology?
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:39 AM
Jan 2014

I saw a link from a day or two ago where she apologized. Is this something new or different? On TV or a written statement?

blogslut

(38,000 posts)
20. It was a live, on air apology
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jan 2014

Her show airs on Saturday ans Sunday mornings. The incident happened last weekend. This is her first show since that.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
38. She had a reason for the apology and she gave a more-than-sufficient one.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jan 2014

Anyone who did not see the reason for the apology might be a bit short-sighted. No offense to you and Welcome to DU.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
44. No, she didn't say anything offensive,
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:14 PM
Jan 2014

but her 2 guests did and she laughed along with them, her apology was for the offensive remarks of her guests and her joining in the laughter.
She did the right thing and now let's move on.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
50. Agreed.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:33 PM
Jan 2014

Her guests made the comments, and they didn't even say anything bad.

This was a non-issue issue.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
39. Good, let's hope she's learned something
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:41 PM
Jan 2014

Cut the antics and witless "comedians", they bring nothing to political debate.

 
41. I must strongly disagree
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jan 2014

I appreciate your sentiments, however, MHP I am certain, did a staffing around what would be on her show that day. This picture was discussed with staff before it was made part of the actual show. Apparently no one objected to or discussed possible consequences of the photo being shown on air. They should have, (including MHP.)
I heard the segment. Nothing offensive was said, but, I immediately thought -for the now obvious reasons - "This will not end well."
The most important thing to understand is that this was a Christmas picture which was put out for public consumption - on Twitter. This was not sent around to a private group of family and friends. If that were the case I think this would be more highly charged and problematic and offensive. But, no, this was a Twitter feed. You can see it there, and also see some of the responses which are about the Mormon Church and their problem with accusations of child abuse. Romney doesn't seem to have a large following, but maybe I am missing something.
Maybe I am very cynical, but I immediately questioned this adoption given the history of Mormons and black people and the fact that this family (Romney) has more than enough money to adopt a white, (even Mormon) child. I don't know which of the Romney kids adopted this child, but I question the why of the adoption. Why a black child in this very Mormon family. And, how and from where did they get this child.
I should admit that I have a degree in social work and for several years I did adoption work, including home studies and placement of children. I have my own experience and training which colors my questioning this whole situation. While it may be nothing to be concerned about, I think it's worth questioning. Adoptions have many consequences, and they are often not positive for the child Money and good intentions don't change the possible end results which can be more psychological and emotional than physically harmful. There is actually a fairly high disruption rate for adoptions, even the adoption of babies. What chance does this child have in this family?
My cynical nature leads me to question whether this was done for some future political run for some office. God forbid, even Mitt, could consider another presidential run. It's not impossible.
Having said all that, I need to add that MHP's crying was offensive to me. She is not a child. She and her staff discussed this, and if she wasn't smart enough to understand how this could backfire, then she shouldn't be on the air. Her feelings of guilt, as I see them, is not helpful to this whole situation. Grow up and talk about why you ran the segment and why you do not see it as offensive to anyone, much less this little boy child who is dressed in pink, like all the girls in the picture. What is the hidden, offensive meaning of that?

 

Lifelong Dem

(344 posts)
46. I just watched the video
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jan 2014

She was tearful and really come close to totally losing it on the air. You could tell see was trying to hold back her tears so she could say what she wanted to say. I look forward to hearing from Romney and whether or not he has a heart to accept her heartfelt apology or not - like most have already.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/melissa-harris-perry-breaks-down-on-air-while-addressing-kieran-romney-controversy/

doc03

(35,328 posts)
57. Why are we always apologizing and the right wing nut jobs like Palin and
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:16 PM
Jan 2014

Rand Paul get a total pass? That ass hole on DD got rehired. I expect MSNBC to fire Perry now.

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