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Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 10:52 PM Jan 2014

"Why Is It Still So Taboo For a Woman To Date A Shorter Man?"

More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10180288/Why-is-it-still-so-taboo-for-a-woman-to-date-a-shorter-man.html

At just under 5ft 10in, I consider myself a tall woman. The average male in England is 5ft 10in, while the typical female is a mere 5ft 5ins, so you could say I’m well over average height for my gender. What’s worse, according to statistics, half the men in the country are my height or shorter. When it comes to dating, that makes the chances of finding a potential boyfriend slimmer than most – if, like me, you care about finding a man who's taller than you.

But why does height even matter? Surely I should be able to embrace the possibility of having a boyfriend who is shorter than me? And if I can't, why can't I?

A long long time ago, when men and women were considered to have very specific male and female "duties" – to be a hunter-gatherer (men), and to look after the kids (women), you could say it was almost necessary for the men to be bigger so they were able to successfully carry out said duties.
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"Why Is It Still So Taboo For a Woman To Date A Shorter Man?" (Original Post) Jamaal510 Jan 2014 OP
It isn't. Squinch Jan 2014 #1
+1 n/t Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #7
My daughter is 6'2", her boyfriend is 5'7". Not a day goes by where some Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #9
I'm tall. I have dated many men who are shorter than I am. There ARE assholes out there, but that's Squinch Jan 2014 #12
If course it is their problem. Part of the point is societal expectations. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #33
I had random guys talk shit about my shorter dates. redqueen Jan 2014 #56
what year did this happen in? snooper2 Jan 2014 #95
yep, I had this happen. I was not polite in my response, LOL. bettyellen Jan 2014 #97
I was too shocked to know what to say. redqueen Jan 2014 #98
They think they are "dominant" since they are taller and perhaps should try to steal you ... dawg Jan 2014 #136
Yeah, in one instance that's exactly what they said, redqueen Jan 2014 #137
People can be very dog-like in their attempts to be dominant. dawg Jan 2014 #138
It's Only RobinA Jan 2014 #2
Just one of the little "rules" to make sure the woman is weaker treestar Jan 2014 #3
Don't think so. Many women just won't date shorter men. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #31
Probably goes both ways. treestar Jan 2014 #80
Oh, definitely. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #100
Taboo is far too strong of a word IMHO. Undesirable for most? Sure. Not taboo. nt stevenleser Jan 2014 #4
Right. It's not even nearly as strong as a taboo. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #106
That was probably a deliberately sensationalized headline by UK Telegraph stevenleser Jan 2014 #124
i didn't know it was JI7 Jan 2014 #5
Better to have loved a short, than never to have loved "a t all" HereSince1628 Jan 2014 #6
Nice. redqueen Jan 2014 #57
it isn't Skittles Jan 2014 #8
I'm a 6'1" woman. If that were my taboo, I'd pretty well never date anyone pink-o Jan 2014 #10
Not if I got there first! Squinch Jan 2014 #14
Because Peter Dinklage won't return my calls? LeftyMom Jan 2014 #11
Hell yes. redqueen Jan 2014 #58
I like him too BainsBane Jan 2014 #64
Right? Squinch Jan 2014 #143
never thought about this..but madrchsod Jan 2014 #13
I didn't know it was. WillowTree Jan 2014 #15
Many women are downright nasty and cruel to short men Bonobo Jan 2014 #16
And many women don't give a shit. cyberswede Jan 2014 #17
Yup, that's the corollary of "many do". nt Bonobo Jan 2014 #20
I tell kids i know TexasProgresive Jan 2014 #82
They're not worth concerning onesself about. WillowTree Jan 2014 #19
Yep. Lot's of dumb shallow people out there: pretty on the outside, dark and twisted within. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #26
Saw lots of ugly '''pretty" people as a bartender tazkcmo Jan 2014 #83
I used to be a bartender, and I know exactly what you mean. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #109
You're using TWITTER to back up your statement? Matariki Jan 2014 #24
The largest social website in the world is not a good example of a social phenomena? Bonobo Jan 2014 #46
It's not a particularly reliable way to back up your generalization of women, no. Matariki Jan 2014 #50
I said "Many women" not all women or even "most women" Bonobo Jan 2014 #52
What does that even mean then? Matariki Jan 2014 #55
Some, many Bonobo Jan 2014 #63
Many men are downright nasty and cruel to short men. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #25
I don't understand that line of argument Bonobo Jan 2014 #27
That's a nice little rant you have there. Too bad it's the opposite of my point. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #37
Sorry if I misunderstood your point. nt Bonobo Jan 2014 #42
It's actually pretty simple. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #41
Those men don't need them anyway. tblue Jan 2014 #62
agree 100% brettdale Jan 2014 #68
good way to weed out the superificial folk Skittles Jan 2014 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #78
My first husband was about my height. I didn't marry him for his height and I didn't divorce him CTyankee Jan 2014 #142
Well, women did the gathering and supplied 90% of the calories Warpy Jan 2014 #18
It's not taboo...I just don't care for short dudes HipChick Jan 2014 #21
Have you ever stopped and asked yourself why you hold such a preference? Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #23
Same preference I might have for green eyes over blue.. HipChick Jan 2014 #30
That doesn't explain the preference. It just defers explanation. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #34
Excellent. kwassa Jan 2014 #36
De gustibus non est disputandam Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #66
It may come down to that, but there might be more at play here. stevenleser Jan 2014 #92
Amen. Exactly. nt Zorra Jan 2014 #118
how about brown eyes ? JI7 Jan 2014 #39
Understated alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #90
Just like saying most redheads are hot! snooper2 Jan 2014 #96
Yes. We are. Squinch Jan 2014 #140
I think one of the problems with dating preferences is that you could be missing out on liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #48
How is dating preference a problem? The2ndWheel Jan 2014 #69
sorry but your post was so ridiculous I laughed out loud when I read it. First of all being gay liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #107
Glad I could help The2ndWheel Jan 2014 #111
Agreed; all of those shallow things are probably silly treestar Jan 2014 #81
It's a nightmare for this short guy to find a girl Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #22
Yup, but if you say that, you are a "whiner" or a "poor men" type, I guess. nt Bonobo Jan 2014 #29
You're exactly right. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #32
perhaps though it is not ALL about height hfojvt Jan 2014 #131
Im shorter by half an inch ;) FreeState Jan 2014 #45
It's a self imposed taboo. Date anybody you like. Courtesy Flush Jan 2014 #28
yup, self imposed JI7 Jan 2014 #38
His father in law gave him a stepladder as a wedding present eridani Jan 2014 #85
It's a nonsensical cultural rule. Dash87 Jan 2014 #35
It is not a taboo, it is simply a prejudice. kwassa Jan 2014 #40
Yep. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #130
thats what we want to know!1 nt UTUSN Jan 2014 #43
I know guys that felt uncomfortable being shorter than their partner Meandyou Jan 2014 #44
Any man shorter than me buys his clothes in the 'boy's department. Shrike47 Jan 2014 #47
And has a near impossible time finding a partner I bet. Bonobo Jan 2014 #54
The heart wants what it wants. Chan790 Jan 2014 #49
Are you denying that personal preferences can also reflect bias? Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #60
Everything in nature has a bias seveneyes Jan 2014 #88
I'm saying one is not the target of bigotry if someone doesn't want to date you. Chan790 Jan 2014 #89
Agreed. Xyzse Jan 2014 #123
+ eleventy thousand. Squinch Jan 2014 #144
It's not, some people are just shallow and superficial. nt redqueen Jan 2014 #51
I am a FIVE FOOT tall woman, I've never dated a man shorter than me... Tx4obama Jan 2014 #53
ha. I'm 5'3.5" laundry_queen Jan 2014 #70
That's how short I am too but I dated shorter guys several times. redqueen Jan 2014 #99
Me too, I'm 5'1" a la izquierda Jan 2014 #79
Meh. LadyHawkAZ Jan 2014 #59
Not me...I'll notice a man 5'9" and under before any man taller... Tikki Jan 2014 #61
It's not BainsBane Jan 2014 #65
Super cute couple…Seth Green and his wife Clare Grant.. Tikki Jan 2014 #67
All these posts prove the OP point brettdale Jan 2014 #71
The post before mine talked about stars of different height getting married…do you want me to.. Tikki Jan 2014 #73
Here..we were both 5'7"…prob a bit shorter 47 years later... Tikki Jan 2014 #146
i have seen non famous guys with taller girlfriends/wives and at the very least JI7 Jan 2014 #74
Seth Green is a hot little firecracker. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #117
Yes he is…I have had a secret crush on him since he became an adult*.. Tikki Jan 2014 #125
I've known way more men who won't date taller women zazen Jan 2014 #72
I agree for all the problems short men may have treestar Jan 2014 #84
Are you a short man? Marr Jan 2014 #113
But less than for women treestar Jan 2014 #128
I dated a short guy for about a year. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2014 #116
It's often thought there is some attempt to compensate treestar Jan 2014 #129
Excellent post! redqueen Jan 2014 #103
Great post. Squinch Jan 2014 #145
i think some guys assume women wont date them because of their Height when JI7 Jan 2014 #75
I'm 6 feet and I've dated women taller than me Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #77
I wouldn't use taboo Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #86
Former Mayor Bloomberg - LiberalElite Jan 2014 #87
I'm 5' 8" and before I married my wife, I had a girlfriend that is 6' 2". badtoworse Jan 2014 #91
I don't know, but it is silly Bettie Jan 2014 #93
Superficiality. That's why. MineralMan Jan 2014 #94
I'm not fussy. dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #101
5'9" here. Hubby is 5'6" redwitch Jan 2014 #102
I can certainly understand... LanternWaste Jan 2014 #104
Ummmm. Tom Cruise... (n/t) Xyzse Jan 2014 #105
Yeah, he's a successful actor millionaire. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #119
I guess. Xyzse Jan 2014 #121
Interesting allegation that says very little... LanternWaste Jan 2014 #135
I'm marrying a man 3 inches shorter and 14 years younger clyrc Jan 2014 #108
Good for you LittleBlue Jan 2014 #133
Thank you! clyrc Jan 2014 #148
The daughter of a good friend of mine is 6'2" tall. MineralMan Jan 2014 #110
I don't know you better ask a woman. Ganja Ninja Jan 2014 #112
After spending far, far too many hours photographing couples at my son's Homecoming... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #114
It isn't taboo. It's strictly personal preference. kestrel91316 Jan 2014 #115
Many years ago I was watching a Barbara Walters piece on 20/20 mnmoderatedem Jan 2014 #120
I saw a similar tv show. Marr Jan 2014 #134
"Women trash short men on Twitter" MicaelS Jan 2014 #122
I find it a little odd. CFLDem Jan 2014 #126
My family on my dad's size are trees. Neoma Jan 2014 #127
Next: Men Who Lack Depth and the Women Who Love Them. nolabear Jan 2014 #132
I had an uncle who was 5.2". Jenoch Jan 2014 #139
Short people got nobody to love. n/t leeroysphitz Jan 2014 #141
It is not a taboo, but I imagine people who insecure about ANY prticular thing, may imagine that bettyellen Jan 2014 #147

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
9. My daughter is 6'2", her boyfriend is 5'7". Not a day goes by where some
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 11:12 PM
Jan 2014

stranger makes an insensitive comment about their height difference.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
12. I'm tall. I have dated many men who are shorter than I am. There ARE assholes out there, but that's
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jan 2014

their problem.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
33. If course it is their problem. Part of the point is societal expectations.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:32 AM
Jan 2014

And it is a largely unexamined expectation that straight women be shorter than their mate.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
56. I had random guys talk shit about my shorter dates.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:12 AM
Jan 2014

No idea why they thought their opinion was important.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
136. They think they are "dominant" since they are taller and perhaps should try to steal you ...
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jan 2014

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from the shorter man. (Or at least try and shame you for dating a non-dominant male.)

At least, that's my theory. As a smaller guy myself, I do think short people, especially short men, get unfair treatment from time to time. It's nothing like the crap that women and ethnic minorities have to put up with, but it isn't just imagination or "lack of confidence" either.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
137. Yeah, in one instance that's exactly what they said,
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:48 PM
Jan 2014

but surely that can't be the real reason, can it? I mean, I'm out with the short guy. I obviously like the short guy. Is bullying the guy I like seriously supposed to make me want to ditch him for a bully? Seriously? WTF are these people thinking?

Ok, now I've worked it out. They're just not very good at thinking.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
138. People can be very dog-like in their attempts to be dominant.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:57 PM
Jan 2014

I have seen tall men who were very aggressive towards people smaller than them, and I have seen smaller men who were very aggressive to every damn body (to compensate for their perceived lack of dominance, I suppose).

A well adjusted man (tall or short) isn't going to exhibit any of this behavior, of course.

But how many of us can truly say that we're "well adjusted"?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
3. Just one of the little "rules" to make sure the woman is weaker
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 10:54 PM
Jan 2014

Men are taller on average and so pairing off we are encouraged for the man to be the taller. I guess so he's always, at least within the couple, the stronger. Along with the equally illogical "rule" the woman must be the younger of the two, even if by just a year or two.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
31. Don't think so. Many women just won't date shorter men.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:27 AM
Jan 2014

who made them make sure women are weaker.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
106. Right. It's not even nearly as strong as a taboo.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:15 AM
Jan 2014

Incest is a taboo. People don't take their family (at least in most places) out on romantic dates like short men take out taller women. A taboo is something people have to hide from society if they do it. Breaking a taboo is usually some immoral and/or illegal activity.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
124. That was probably a deliberately sensationalized headline by UK Telegraph
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:56 PM
Jan 2014

"Women don't prefer short men" probably wouldn't have elicited as much interest.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
10. I'm a 6'1" woman. If that were my taboo, I'd pretty well never date anyone
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 11:12 PM
Jan 2014

And although I prefer men closer to my height, I'd throw every last bloke over for 5'6" Jon Stewart if he wasn't already married with 2 kids.

Something tells me height wasn't a consideration for his wife Tracy either!

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
13. never thought about this..but
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jan 2014

i think you are making to much out of this. if one meets someone they feel they could have a relationship with who cares what other people think.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
16. Many women are downright nasty and cruel to short men
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 11:37 PM
Jan 2014

Many will not date men under 6 feet. It is their version of "fat chicks".

https://twitter.com/expsnghghtsm

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
17. And many women don't give a shit.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 11:45 PM
Jan 2014

I'm 6' tall, btw. My husband isn't taller than I am. (But my 13 y.o. son is!)

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
19. They're not worth concerning onesself about.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 11:47 PM
Jan 2014

Any more than the men who can be nasty and cruel to "fat chicks". Life's just way too short to waste on such tiny, shallow people.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
26. Yep. Lot's of dumb shallow people out there: pretty on the outside, dark and twisted within.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:13 AM
Jan 2014

Pay them no mind.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
83. Saw lots of ugly '''pretty" people as a bartender
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 07:37 AM
Jan 2014

One of the beautiful people saddle up to the bar, flash that perfect smile and start talking to reveal the black hole where their soul used to be thus transforming them into a hideously malformed being. Happened every night. Then the "fat chick" arrives, raising the average intelligence at the bar and doubling the humor quotient, makes my night and gets a few free shots just because she's so hot! Happened all the time.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
109. I used to be a bartender, and I know exactly what you mean.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jan 2014

It was striking to me how many hopelessly broken pretty people were out there. The whole package -- looks, brains, and a sense of humor -- is a very rare thing. Believe it or not, people with the whole package sometimes have trouble finding love because people are so intimidated by them. The world can be a very ugly place.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
52. I said "Many women" not all women or even "most women"
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:05 AM
Jan 2014

How much more careful could I be and still try to introduce something that many men experience?

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
55. What does that even mean then?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:07 AM
Jan 2014

"Many women"? Three or four you know or something?

What does it prove? What point are you trying to make? Wouldn't "some women" have been clearer and more accurate?

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
63. Some, many
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:56 AM
Jan 2014

I think there's only a small difference.

From my perspective, it is many. The amount on that Twitter could be described as either "some" or "many".

The point? The point is that it is an issue that men face and this OP is about the short men/tall women issue.

I really don't see your objection to my bringing this up. It is reality for many men.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
27. I don't understand that line of argument
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:14 AM
Jan 2014

Why is it that when men bring up an issue that discusses any difficulty in being a man that someone always says "Well MEN do that to other MEN!"

Does that make it any less difficult for the victims?

"Millions of men die in wars" > "Well, who sends them!?"
"Millions of men are incarcerated" > "The Judicial system is Patriarchy!"
"More men are victims of violence" > "It is MEN who are committing the violence"
"Men are discriminated against for being short." > "Men do that to other men!"
Etc.

I don't understand the logic of that counterargument unless it is the proposition that if victims and perpetrators both have penises than the effect of being victimized is somehow mitigated.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
37. That's a nice little rant you have there. Too bad it's the opposite of my point.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:40 AM
Jan 2014

Which was actually to point out that short men are nearly universally abject.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
41. It's actually pretty simple.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:47 AM
Jan 2014

Men suck, so they get what they deserve.

But don't call it sexism, because the belief that one gender is inferior to the other is sexism only half the time.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
62. Those men don't need them anyway.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:25 AM
Jan 2014

Height is a matter of personal preference, like other attrubutes. You can't make someone feel attracted to something that doesn't appeal to them. But you can't make someone not like something that appeals to them either.

There's nothing less appealing than criticizing a person for something they can't control.

Response to Bonobo (Reply #16)

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
142. My first husband was about my height. I didn't marry him for his height and I didn't divorce him
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 06:29 PM
Jan 2014

for his height.

I am now married to a taller man. His height had nothing to do with my choosing to marry him. How he treated me and how much in synch he was with me and my values was why I married him. It just boils down to that.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
18. Well, women did the gathering and supplied 90% of the calories
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 11:45 PM
Jan 2014

Meat didn't happen all that often and most of what men did was practice with their gear for the next hunt--or war.

Most mammal males are larger because they're expected to fight each other to ensure only the best get to pass their genes down. Winning a fight isn't by brawn alone so it mostly works.

Trying to explain why males are taller and with heavier bone structure by the tribal habits of evolved human beings is silly and untrue.

ETA: I should mention that I'm dead average for a woman, 5'6" Most of the guys I've dated have been around my height as well as my age. An aversion to high heeled shoes partially explains it.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
66. De gustibus non est disputandam
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:29 AM
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Not much more one can say than that, I think.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
92. It may come down to that, but there might be more at play here.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 09:57 AM
Jan 2014

I think there is a good possibility that something about how we raise girls tends to make those that are hetero want 'this' and when I say 'this' I mean a tall, big man.

I think that is problematic from a number of perspectives. I'm 5' 10" so I am generally not negatively personally affected by this in terms of dating, but there is a point, if the species continues getting taller because of this kind of selection, that it could go beyond what our muscle-skeletal and cardio-vascular infrastructure can successfully deal with. One only has to look at what human interference in the breeding of dogs has done to certain breeds.

It's also problematic as it may be indicative of raising women to want to be protected rather than as fully confident and actualized beings.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
48. I think one of the problems with dating preferences is that you could be missing out on
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:02 AM
Jan 2014

someone great. We live in a culture where some people will only date super attractive people. How do these people know their true partner in life is going to be super attractive? Maybe their true partner is just average looking and they miss out on being with their true partner because of their dating preference.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
69. How is dating preference a problem?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:33 AM
Jan 2014

Maybe the true partner of someone that's gay is someone that's straight. Maybe the true partner of someone that's straight is someone that's gay. Maybe the true partner of a woman is the man she's with through an arranged marriage. Who knows?

Personal choice in who you spend your time with. Where is the problem in that? Isn't that the whole point of being free to choose whatever? If you prefer X, then possibly missing out on Y doesn't mean much to you. Maybe they're finding everything they want in their preference.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
107. sorry but your post was so ridiculous I laughed out loud when I read it. First of all being gay
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:20 AM
Jan 2014

is not a preference just like it is not a chosen lifestyle as conservatives call it. Secondly, choosing to date someone based on height, weight, skin color, eye color, or any other physical appearance is a choice and one we can change. The trouble with choosing someone to date based on physical appearance is that you miss out on choosing someone based on character. Martin Luther King Jr. said he hoped for a day when people would be judged for the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Whether it is skin color, eye color, weight, or height if people take the time to look at people for who they are, their personality, then they might be surprised to find that they find someone attractive that they would not have found attractive simply by looking at them. And it is that character, that personality that truly bonds people, not their looks.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
111. Glad I could help
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jan 2014
First of all being gay is not a preference just like it is not a chosen lifestyle as conservatives call it.


I was saying that maybe their true partner in life may not be gay/straight, because you brought up the "true partner" thing. Just as your true partner may not be super attractive, perhaps someone's true partner isn't of the same sexual orientation. Who's to say?

Secondly, choosing to date someone based on height, weight, skin color, eye color, or any other physical appearance is a choice and one we can change. The trouble with choosing someone to date based on physical appearance is that you miss out on choosing someone based on character. Martin Luther King Jr. said he hoped for a day when people would be judged for the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Whether it is skin color, eye color, weight, or height if people take the time to look at people for who they are, their personality, then they might be surprised to find that they find someone attractive that they would not have found attractive simply by looking at them. And it is that character, that personality that truly bonds people, not their looks.


Not necessarily. You might miss out on choosing someone based on character, or you might not. If someone wants to date someone based on their physical appearance, who cares? It's their own business. If someone wants to date someone based on their character, who cares? It's their own business. There's no right or wrong involved. It's dating.

I'd also say you might be stretching that MLK phrase just a little bit too far. Again, personal preference in dating, not social injustice.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
81. Agreed; all of those shallow things are probably silly
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 07:34 AM
Jan 2014

for both sexes. Get to know the person. Focusing on a trait like that is likely to mean they will project qualities onto the person that the person doesn't have.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
22. It's a nightmare for this short guy to find a girl
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:02 AM
Jan 2014

Who wants to date a short guy in a college town. I'm 5'5" tall and apparently that's too short.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
131. perhaps though it is not ALL about height
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jan 2014

It's not like I had a lot of luck dating as a near six footer.

I know biology does not work that way, but sometimes I would wish I was 5'8" or something. If my same weight was on a shorter frame, then maybe I would not always be known as "the skinny guy", maybe I would not look like a strong wind would blow me over.

I have a co-worker who is perhaps 5' 5" and he is so good looking and so well-proportioned that his height doesn't slow him down at all. Well, at least he has kids from three different women, so he's doing okay.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
45. Im shorter by half an inch ;)
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:58 AM
Jan 2014

And my boyfriend is two inches shorter than me - he is the only guy I have dated that was under 5' 11. I've never really even given my height any thought when it came to dating. But maybe thats because I'm short?!

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
28. It's a self imposed taboo. Date anybody you like.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:14 AM
Jan 2014

Here's a picture of me and my wife -- taken exactly 30 years and five months ago. No, she wasn't in heels.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
85. His father in law gave him a stepladder as a wedding present
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 08:10 AM
Jan 2014

How about that wry British humor?

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
35. It's a nonsensical cultural rule.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:36 AM
Jan 2014

Like with most cultural rules, there's no reason for it and it's silly.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
40. It is not a taboo, it is simply a prejudice.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:43 AM
Jan 2014

There are all types of dating prejudices in this world, this is simply one more of them. Weight, height, color, politics, religious belief, wealth, social class, neighborhood, job title, marriage track record, etc.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
130. Yep.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:40 PM
Jan 2014

Once you define it as a prejudice (or the softer term, stereotype) it's easier to understand that it's a foolish qualifier.

Meandyou

(22 posts)
44. I know guys that felt uncomfortable being shorter than their partner
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:56 AM
Jan 2014

I think it boils down to feeling emasculated.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
49. The heart wants what it wants.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:03 AM
Jan 2014

To call a culturalized personal preference a bias is silly. We all have them, some of us are just more willing to admit them.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
89. I'm saying one is not the target of bigotry if someone doesn't want to date you.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 09:35 AM
Jan 2014

Even if the basis of your supposed lack-of-attractiveness is a cultural bias or personal preference of the people you want to date. Nobody has an inalienable right to companionship or getting laid.

More often though, the cause of their universal undesirability has less to do with with what they think is wrong with them in terms of cultural bias...and more that nobody wants to listen to them whine and if they're going to whine "Why don't women want to date short men? Oh woe is me! I'm sad so sad." then when that problem is rectified for them, they're going to find new cause of lament.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
53. I am a FIVE FOOT tall woman, I've never dated a man shorter than me...
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:06 AM
Jan 2014

... probably because there aren't many

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
70. ha. I'm 5'3.5"
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:35 AM
Jan 2014

and the last time I dated someone shorter than me was 7th grade. He was a whole foot shorter than me too. Same guy is now over 6 feet, LOL. No, we didn't last, but it wasn't because of the height thing.

I have no preference for height. If someone is shorter than me, but is nice and we have the same interests and we care about each other...then it seems pretty stupid to have height be a deciding factor. I don't get people like that.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
99. That's how short I am too but I dated shorter guys several times.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:51 AM
Jan 2014

The last time was in my 20's.

I also hit on a couple of shorter guys in HS and also in my 20's and got shot down, so if not for those rejections I'd have dated even more shorter guys.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
61. Not me...I'll notice a man 5'9" and under before any man taller...
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:41 AM
Jan 2014

I really feel more comfortable around guys my height or shorter.
I am exactly the same height as Mr. Tikki.


Tikki

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
65. It's not
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:18 AM
Jan 2014

Think of all the tall actresses and models with shorter husbands and boyfriends. It's quite common.

brettdale

(12,381 posts)
71. All these posts prove the OP point
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:43 AM
Jan 2014

It would appear a short guy can get an attractive woman if he is a film star.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
73. The post before mine talked about stars of different height getting married…do you want me to..
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 05:01 AM
Jan 2014

post my wedding picture and my sister-in-law's wedding pictures?


Tikki

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
146. Here..we were both 5'7"…prob a bit shorter 47 years later...
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jan 2014

...old people shrink a bit…



The Tikkis

JI7

(89,249 posts)
74. i have seen non famous guys with taller girlfriends/wives and at the very least
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 05:03 AM
Jan 2014

most don't have trouble finding a date.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
117. Seth Green is a hot little firecracker.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:40 PM
Jan 2014

He's cute, funny as hell, and probably rich to boot. Any straight woman or gay man would be out of their mind to turn up their nose at him.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
125. Yes he is…I have had a secret crush on him since he became an adult*..
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:57 PM
Jan 2014

He and his wife sound perfect for each other…so much in common.

I always wish any couple a life of happiness together…

Tikki
*he has been acting since he was six years old..

zazen

(2,978 posts)
72. I've known way more men who won't date taller women
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:50 AM
Jan 2014

than short men who don't get dates.

Now, do those short men get dates with those women who are the most conventionally attractive? I don't know.

I think there are millions of wonderful women written off because their breasts aren't big enough or they're heavier than the cultural standard or they don't appear like they're 28 anymore who'd love to go out with decent men of any height. If a woman rejects a really great guy because of height, he should count himself lucky that he was spared someone who was really shallow. She's saved him time, really, so he can go about finding a mate who values more substantive attributes.

I assume male height goes into the same pool of standards that constrain all of us who are measured by gendered standards of beauty, the most oppressive of which is the requirement that all women appear as close to ages 18-28 as possible and that their worth as a human being declines with increasing evidence on their body that they've lived a rich, active life. All of it is a shallow crock of shit that limits our appreciation of the human soul, but then, that's not something that's going to change in my lifetime. I tend to fall in love with a guy and then love his body because it "belongs" to the person I love, and as a result I have very wide standards of what I find attractive. I'm certainly susceptible to secondary sex characteristics mattering (hirsuteness in particular--male body shaving baffles me), but height is the least of these. I would never not date a wonderful guy because he was shorter than me.


treestar

(82,383 posts)
84. I agree for all the problems short men may have
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 07:38 AM
Jan 2014

they are subjected to far less than women when it comes to these issues. Women have many - height, weight, hair length, hair color, looks, shape (you can be thin but have hips too wide, that was me) - just everything.

Short men can always find a short woman. Maybe she's not thin enough for them.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
113. Are you a short man?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:22 PM
Jan 2014

Also, what makes you think weight, looks, fitness, style, etc. don't figure into a man's prospects for dating?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
128. But less than for women
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jan 2014

They don't seem to have to worry about it all so much. Sure good looking men will do better, that's true.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
116. I dated a short guy for about a year.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:35 PM
Jan 2014

Turned out he was just a short asshole. He had such a thing about being short. And of all things he was a football coach.

I finally just gave up. He tried so hard to come across like this funny, likable guy but underneath he was just a little jerk.

Would I date another short guy? Well, of course if he wasn't a jerk.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
129. It's often thought there is some attempt to compensate
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jan 2014

It would be pretty hard to be a short and/or skinny man in this society. But then there is a lot of reassurance that you'll still be desirable if you make money, etc. Men have another way other than to be physically attractive. Supposedly.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
75. i think some guys assume women wont date them because of their Height when
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 05:12 AM
Jan 2014

it's probably not the case at all.

i'm short so there aren't many guys shorter than me. but just about all the friends i had who were tall had no problem going out with guys who were short.

it's like those guys who claim women don't really want nice guys because they were rejected. when the truth is that they are not really nice guys .

Dorian Gray

(13,493 posts)
86. I wouldn't use taboo
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 08:21 AM
Jan 2014

but I've heard more men make fun of fat chicks than women make fun of short men. Just saying.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
91. I'm 5' 8" and before I married my wife, I had a girlfriend that is 6' 2".
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 09:49 AM
Jan 2014

She was (and I assume still is) very attractive and that was the only thing I got comments on. I never felt uncomfortable about the height difference and neither did she.

Bettie

(16,109 posts)
93. I don't know, but it is silly
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:16 AM
Jan 2014

My DH is the same height as I am...I admit, I use it as an excuse to avoid high heels, or rather, I did when I was younger and actually thought of wearing such things!

But he's so wonderful that I'd adore him if he were shorter or taller.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
104. I can certainly understand...
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:00 AM
Jan 2014

I can certainly understand the convenient self-satisfaction obtained in holding responsible those things we're unable to change rather than our personalities and how we treat others... it allows us to maintain the wonderfully validating illusion that we're funny, interesting and smart, and indict others as shallow and cursory when our awkward attempts at currying someone's romantic favor is quickly interrupted by who we choose to be.



Not that the above is true in every single instance, but if we're honest to ourselves in regards to who we actually are...

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
119. Yeah, he's a successful actor millionaire.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:47 PM
Jan 2014

If he was an average guy, no woman would look twice at him.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
121. I guess.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jan 2014

Still, I don't really see it as a taboo, more a preference, and dare I say insecurity.

I mean, it happens, women being with shorter guys, however you're right that it is not as common.

I don't think it taboo, some just don't expand their selection choices.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
135. Interesting allegation that says very little...
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:56 PM
Jan 2014

"If he was an average guy, no woman would look twice at him...."

Interesting allegation that says very little of the many short people out there who indeed, date quite a lot.

clyrc

(2,299 posts)
108. I'm marrying a man 3 inches shorter and 14 years younger
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jan 2014

And besides that, he's from Pakistan. I know people will look at us funny, and make unflattering assumptions. I'm pretty sure I can handle it.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
133. Good for you
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jan 2014

Wonder how many of those people casting nasty glances your way have perfect marriages. None of them, I'd guess.

Congrats on your engagement, btw.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
110. The daughter of a good friend of mine is 6'2" tall.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jan 2014

Her father was about 5'6". When she was a teenager, she dated guys who ran the full range of heights. I guess she didn't see how height mattered.

Neither do I. When I was younger, I was 6'2" in height (less now that I'm a geezer). I dated girls and women through the years in a wide range of stature. I couldn't see how it mattered. I never did date anyone who was taller than my self, but I would have if I had met anyone in that category.

One type of person I never dated, though, was the kind of person who lets superficial stuff determine their choices. That never seemed worthwhile.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
112. I don't know you better ask a woman.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jan 2014

Men and especially short men aren't the one's responsible for that.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
114. After spending far, far too many hours photographing couples at my son's Homecoming...
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jan 2014

I'm thinking we're discussing something that is dead (yes, as a doornail) with regard to our next generation. My son's last girlfriend was the same height (6') that he was at the time. He is now 6'2" and there's still a lot of girls close to that in his class. So, I think we can close the book on it. I am constantly amazed at how much more open minded my son's generation is than mine.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
115. It isn't taboo. It's strictly personal preference.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jan 2014

I happen to prefer taller men. One of my gentlemen friends is a foot taller than me, which I happen to like a lot.

mnmoderatedem

(3,728 posts)
120. Many years ago I was watching a Barbara Walters piece on 20/20
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:51 PM
Jan 2014

don't ask me why, I have no idea why,

Anyway, this piece was specifically about the trials and tribulations of short men and dating life and their expressed frustrations. They took a few short men, and had them meet and greet taller women and get to know each other. The men all had all these positive (on the surface) qualities, good jobs, good conversationalists, engaging personalities, etc. After meeting them, each of the women gushed about that an "eye opening" experience it was for them, and when asked about following up with the men in question, each of them said they would be happy to, as the whole experience opened up new doors for them, blah blah blah.

But they reported a week later, all the women had in fact declined to actually follow up, despite their words.

It's not taboo, and there are exceptions of course. But by and large, women just don't want to date shorter men.
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
134. I saw a similar tv show.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jan 2014

They lined up... I believe it was seven short men, all 5'4" or under, IIRC. All were average looking, well educated, well dressed, nice, well spoken men with careers like doctor, lawyer, etc. One spoke seven languages. Then they added a 6'1", unemployed college drop out. Every single woman on the panel chose the drop-out. And these weren't 18 year olds, either-- they were 30-ish and above.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
122. "Women trash short men on Twitter"
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jan 2014

Some women obviously have a real problem with short men. In fact "cruel" is an understatement. Don't click the link unless you want to read some really nasty comments.

https://twitter.com/heightismwatch

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
126. I find it a little odd.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:05 PM
Jan 2014

I personally wouldn't consider a taller woman.

But those that can are bigger men than I.

Neoma

(10,039 posts)
127. My family on my dad's size are trees.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:23 PM
Jan 2014

6 foot females are the norm in this family. Both my dad and brother are 6ft 7ins. Tallest man is 6"11.

The only thing that people has bothered me about height is how I must play basketball. How tall my man should be? Never mentioned. Marrying shorter people is pretty much bound to happen and no one has really questioned it as far as I can tell.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
132. Next: Men Who Lack Depth and the Women Who Love Them.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jan 2014

We've about covered everything else, haven't we?

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
139. I had an uncle who was 5.2".
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 05:08 PM
Jan 2014

He would joke that he used to lie about his height and claim to be 5'3".

I had two other uncles, 5'5" and 5'7" and both of my aunts towered over them. My besf friend is 5'6" and his wife is 5'9". There are always exceptions to every 'rule'.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
147. It is not a taboo, but I imagine people who insecure about ANY prticular thing, may imagine that
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 06:57 PM
Jan 2014

thing is what is holding them back. generally when you act like something is not a big deal, it isn't treated like a big deal.
including not getting to date everyone who you'd like to. Move on, you didn't even know them, LOL.

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