All day long I have been fuming about this and I am glad that I waited to post it. I COULD BURN
DOWN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW!
I work part time for fun at my sissy's place and the kid who works there got nearly killed by a drunk this weekend. He has a fractured eye socket, stitches in four places on his head, two enormous black eyes, one of them red and a new found respect for being alive. The guy who did this erupted without a hint and tried to kill him. When he staggered out and was brought to the hospital, he was bad off.
When the police went to the apartment to get this guy, his girlfriend opened the door. The cops nearly plotzed. She was terrified and horribly injured. My kid had been pummeled so badly he didn't know about her until after all this. They got the guy and took both to the hospital. She was brutalized so much I find myself questioning everything I know.
He had beaten her half to death and then ... THEN!!!!!IE$*Q)(*Y4WTOIJQE FN97Q3HT03Q9JR-9WHG0EO4RJM93RCHV[4TJ-984YR!!!!!
Then he shoved her face into boiling water, then he made her drink it. I can't even.
She had to sleep in the bed next to him after all this happened until the police came and she is so damaged that she won't press charges. In Alaska, if you get caught with a DV scene, you go to jail and the state presses the charges. My niece got a call at work and told me a friend had seen them come in to the hospital because he was there to transport the guy. He said AND I FUCKING QUOTE: "I've never seen anyone whose face was falling off."
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I am astounded that she didn't asphyxiate in her sleep with the scalded throat and stomach. She is currently in intensive care in the hospital.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE RAISING OUR BOYS TO DO THIS SHIT! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH US!?
This isn't a poor folk pass time. This isn't a fundy pass time. This is a male pass time. It happens to women too much for it to be just THOSE FOLKS! AND WOMEN! SOME OF YOU BEAT OTHERS TOO BUT THIS IS A PREDOMINANTLY MALE THING, RAPE, ABUSE, ALL OF IT! WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING HERE!?
And we are not, all of us off the hook. The sexualization of women in media and everywhere else is killing us. We buy it, defend it, talk about artistic shit like shaking your butt or walking around with your tits hanging out is Beethoven and not cheap, calculating exploitation. the bullshit that is crafted to sell women as meat to males is going to kill us all. When I sawt Milie Cyrus grinding her ass against a guy I didn't see all the buzz word shit like 'she's owning her sexuality' or whatever. I saw a girl making a cold calculated decision to make herself as dismal a person as she could become and hang it around all our necks. SHE DIDN'T CARE THAT SHE LOOKED LIKE A HOOKER! SHE JUST WANTED PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT HER! We did didn't we. Shaking your ass, all of it, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HER TONGUE!? All of it makes women look like things, devices, PUNCHING BAGS!
I am SICK tonight. I am sick that a woman had to sleep beside her abuser with burns bad enough to her face, throat and stomach that her SKIN WAS FALLING OFF HER FACE! WTF, AMERICA! WTF, EARTH!!? Is that all we really in the end are? IS IT!? SHE HAD TO LAY THERE IN MIND NUMBING PAIN SUFFERING BECAUSE SHE WAS TOO AFRAID TO GET UP AND RUN! I pray that she lives. That she can have a life where she feels that she's worthy. I could cry. I could cry.
Yeah, this guy is a cannibal. But so are too many people. It isn't about religion or whatever. Its about what WE CHOOSE!
Sue me. Ignore me. Ban me. I don't give a damn. I just don't. But send healing vibes to a sad woman who is in intensive care without a face tonight. I am. I CRY FOR THIS WORLD! I cry for all of us tonight.
RV
EDIT: when this hit the greatest page, the post under it was police hold 15 FIFTEEN!!!!! men for raping a danish tourist. WTF!!!!!!
THEY ARE YOUR FUCKING DAUGHTERS! WIVES! MOTHERS, AUNTS, COUSINS, FRIENDS, FELLOW LIVING BEINGS! WTF!?
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And you're quite right: we choose this. In the name of what, I don't know.
I hope she makes it and gets away from this monster. And I hope the guy goes to prison forever.
<---for you.
I was referring to an old fashioned beating. Maybe carving "scum" on his forehead.
Did you write anything coherent about this? There are no words. This has got to be the single most horrific post in DU history, bar none.
I hope both victims are ok.
I hope you're ok.
I'm about to cry, reading this. That poor woman! And the young man too. Oh dear heaven, WHY?????!!!!!
It could have been me. I was a battered wife and I feared for my life, but I got out of there before he did permanent damage--because my sister sensed what was up, and told me she was taking over, and moved me out and into her house. I was incredibly lucky, blessed, or whatever, that I had that kind of loving support. I wish everyone did. I wish the woman you wrote about had been able to get help before that MONSTER destroyed her.
When I was about 10 yo a weirdo in a convertible exposed himself to my friend and me. He asked us if we wanted a ride. We said no! and went running in the opposite direction. But I never told my parents because I thought somehow they'd blame me.
I'm not changing the subject. I don't know why some people are so twisted and so abusive toward women. (Actually, you and I probably do know what in our culture incites this violence and what makes certain men think it's an option, but that doesn't explain it really.) We can't change every sick, twisted individual who needs to be set straight, though we should never stop trying. But always we have to reach out to our sisters, and our abused brothers too, when we know or suspect they are not safe. Like my sister did for me. Many ways to intervene and help. Maybe we can talk about it.
I hope so much the two you wrote about recover, and soon. Please keep us updated.
I cannot understand why families don't educate their - sorry folks - usually boys that hurting girls is NOT acceptable.
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It's not a straw man to indicate the same sort of false equivalency with another one. This is done in an absurd manner to point out, easily, the absurdity in the original statement.
I never questioned the incident. So, you are the one who is pretending to be upset by something that wasn't said. Would that be a straw man argument - to put words into people's mouths that weren't said? Or just mere misunderstanding? I don't know. Doesn't matter.
If you don't understand the use of various forms of figurative language to illustrate a point, I'm not really interested in explaining it to you, but you can find lots of resources online.
You might be interested in reading this report - http://www.clasp.org/resources-and-publications/states/0314.pdf
The organization that discusses the work is endorsed by Gwen Moore and is an advocate for solutions to poverty and surrounding issues.
"CLASP is an organization that both parties rely on. Even if members don't agree, they can't run from what CLASP has to say. Their work is solid, thorough and extremely well-respected on the Hill." –Gwen Moore, U.S. House of Representatives, D-Wisc.
take care 
eta for a "teaching moment" (that should certainly be offensive, I'm sure, to this person.) The person is discussing me as a writer rather than the point of rhetoric, which is the study of figurative language used in persuasive speech, and, thus, often political speech. However, if you read something with your mind in a gutter of hate, you assume I was talking about my own writing, rather than the point of the writing itself. As Buddha noted: Your enemies are your best teachers. They have been for me.
Parnell is nothing but an oil-sucking, sniveling creature of BP/Conoco et al. His so-called "initiatives" on violence against women and children are laughable and only for show, so that his corporate bosses can pat him on the back, or buy him the appropriate blow job.
rogue valley, all my heart goes out to you. I lit a candle for her and the boy at Light a Candle; I'm not Christian, so my prayers may not mean much, but they come from inside.
Please print your rant, and deliver it to every. single. representative and senator. in Juneau. As well as sending a copy to Parnelltheasshole. He's worse than Palin because he pretends he's better.
- FEAR.
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just damage somebody else's life because they feel like it? or bring misery to someone's life just because they can get away with it? What kind of mind thinks like that? It's really prevalent today. I see it all as a continuum of bullying... from extreme horrific incidents like this, all the way down to just psychological petty battering at a place like DU. (I don't want to get off on a tangent, but that is why I am very opposed to some things I see on here, and even by feminists, which disgusts me, because it is all a continuum of the same thing, the same bullying attitude.) There was a story this week about a woman torturing and killing a 4 year old little boy, the son of her boyfriend, so it's spread to the whole population now, even though it's vastly more often men or boys -- I see that changing. I see the same kind of thing, big and small, in all kinds of people all around me all the time.
It's a very ugly sort of entitlement to inflict harm, which is alarming. It's almost as if what it is to be human is corroding away in many people. Many seem to be nearly amoral by now. There is no concern for consequences that has anything to do with what is right, or decent behavior. All that's left is concern for consequences to themselves, whatever they can get away with, they have no qualms about doing.
I agree with everything you posted, including that yes, I too have a big problem with entertainers such as Miley Cyrus, and all the people who make people like her popular. There is no point in railing against what happens to women and then feeding it at the same time... which is what I see some people doing by refusing to come down on that garbage. That "style" of whatever it is should've had its moment, and ended, years ago. I can't believe how long it has gone on, and on. basically since the late 80's now. I'm sick and tired of it, and am amazed that something else hasn't come along to take its place. But maybe that's by design and someone's intention, don't know.
I'm so sorry, roguevalley. For you, and these victims you know. Please tell them that we are thinking of them, and hope for their recovery and comforting.
I don't mean this in a light way, but as a dedication and tribute to the young woman who was hurt, and to you RV, and to all of us who care...
For anybody out there who is in a situation that makes them afraid, I just want to say... it's better by far to live alone than to live with abuse. Up until the day before this happened, this woman had a chance to get out. Clearly she was already too afraid to go, she had been battered down that far. No, they don't love you, they are liars. They think it's cool to get away with doing people harm. No, it won't get better, ever, it will get worse, it always does. No, your abuser isn't different, not a bit different. Don't tolerate it, you deserve to be treated well. Everybody does.
I've been there too and got out, so can you. The first step is believing you can. And the first step to that is gathering information, to show you how you can. Once you can see how it can be done, then you find the will.
You can do it, others have, so can you.
Don't worry about the abuser's feelings either, they don't have any that are similar to yours. The only loss they feel is losing the game they like to play. Just go. And don't look back. A couple of thoughts that helped, to pass along...
only tears, love, hugs and comfort. for you and her and the other kid who was injured.
We are a species at war with itself. We should be complementary, instead we are competitive. Both sexes bring strengths to the table but the patriarchy doesn't recognize that. It only values what men bring. Our culture has perverted it even further with constant media portrayals of oppressive, violent men & sexualized, objectified women. I'm so glad I don't have children. I don't know how you raise a decent human being in this cesspool.
Take care, dear Rogue. It's a harsh world for those with tender hearts.
And to all the women in pain, I wish I could stop it.
You think this is about YOU?
I've got your unrec right here, "doc"
And my heart goes out to any victim of violence and abuse, I've been there too and it's a horrible thing.
Prayers and healing to both of them, that they heal fully and find relief from their pain as quickly as possibly. And that she finds the strength and courage to press charges.
And to you, rv. I can only begin to imagine your shock and horror. It is horrifying, sickening to read this. And I agree with all you wrote. Our society is seriously ill...
I want men like that dead, I just do. He is a waste of oxygen. The men who raped the tourist also.
These types of monsters need to go. Squeal about no capital punishment all you want but fuckers like this don't need to continue to exist; if this were a dog we'd put it down, this THING who did this is far below the level of any dog I've ever seen. I know he can't get the punishment he deserves, legally anyway, but we really need to have a society where people like this are put away for a very long time no matter that the victim of his abuse is afraid to press charges.
If we can't do something about this kind of sick violence we aren't human. PERIOD.
Yes, I get mad over this stuff, "oooo you're irrational and just emotional, not a true liberal"; don't care, I've heard it before.
same misogynist culture? Most of the abuse I witnessed though was verbal and when I brought it up, I was told she probably did something to deserve it. I rescued a couple of the women and drove them to relatives in a different town, those who were willing to leave. But is way more horrible. I hope you have laws that can put that guy away forever.
If she survives the scarring will be terrible.
Just lots of hugs.
if your girlfriend cheated on you?" as if submerging her in boiling water is an acceptable answer.
Take CNN for example. Their comments section are nothing but a sea of racism, trolling and worse. But if anything the news organizations invite this stuff as it drives traffic to their site.
Wow.
I've been trying to stay out of these threads as much as possible but I have a few things to say.
First let me say my condolences to you, your family and that poor woman. What that animal did, and yes he's nothing more than an animal, can't be excused in any way shape or form. And by disagreeing below with some of what you wrote, this is in no way, shape, or form an attempt to excuse any form of rape or violence against women.
I fully agree that violence against women is a huge problem in our modern society.
I also agree that sexual objectification IS a problem. However I think here things are much more complex than many might think. A large part of the sexual revolution of the 1960s was the sexual empowerment of women. No longer were women denied their own sexuality, to be seen as mere play things for men's sexual gratification. Before the 60s the concept that a woman could be proud of her sexuality, could openly and freely express her sexuality, would have been blasphemous in most circles. Many women felt just so empowered though during and after the sexual revolution and the majority of feminists of the time saw this, I believe rightly, as a huge step forward. But what exactly are we talking about here? We are talking about the freedom of women to feel empowered and SHAMELESS about having, wanting, and indeed flaunting sex. A right that men have enjoyed throughout history. This was a levelling of the playing field. When men show off sexually what do they do? They flaunt those aspects of themselves that are seen biologically and sociologically as sexy. The same is true of women. Women felt empowered to look sexy, most importantly ON THEIR OWN TERMS! They dressed sexy, not cause they wanted to please their man's sex drive but because they wanted to please and show off their own. Something they had never had the right to before. And here I think is a something very critical, a sexually empowered woman flaunting her sexuality, as is her right, is going to look similar to a purely male driven hyper sexualized world where a women's sexuality is subservient to a mans. The key difference is empowerment, equality, and shamelessness.
A good argument can be made that we haven't gone far enough yet in this direction. That a lot, even most, of the sexual imagery in modern media is driven by male gratification alone. I believe this is true. But I also believe that a more healthy, equal sexual landscape would not necessarily mean the removal of sexually graphic imagery and graphic displays of sexuality. Again I go back to the critical point being what is driving the display. I'm not sure you can say de facto that what Milie Cyrus did was a pathetic attempt to kowtow to the male viewpoint, because I believe she could indeed have felt that she was doing something sexually empowering of herself. Now if you want to make the argument that it was too crass / low brow, that it speaks poorly of her intelligence etc, that is a separate discussion. Madonna is another woman in the media who tends to like to flaunt her sexuality but she is more often seen as a strong, empowering image.
When it comes to rape, most people seem to agree, most places I've read, that rape is more about violent control than about sex. It's true that sex is used as a tool to control, but it's the control itself that most of these deranged men seek and that they find most gratifying. I find it interesting that it's in the cultures where women are denied their sexuality the MOST is where treatment of women is at its worst. The image of rape is far more about this:
Than it is about this:
And while I lack the statistics I'm quite sure there is a closer correlation between violent and controlling cultures and the poor treatment of women than overly sexualized cultures. I see a closer connection between the "rape culture" problem we have and the "culture of violence" we have that has steadily become nothing but acceptable background noise.
I am NOT going to make the argument that rape for men is as serious a problem as it is for women. That's a silly argument to make. But I AM going to make the argument that rape of children by pedophiles is a very serious problem. And here too it's all about power and control, sex, if it can even be called that at this point, is more the tool by which said control can be exercised.
pop culture contains a lot of artistically worthless production. Like father like daughter, in the Mylie case, imo.
Since you seem to have misunderstood that my objection is to emotion-based rather than fact-based argument about porn and mass media (by tying those to this incidence of domestic violence), the point was not to say "be like Mylie." The point was Mylie isn't worth anyone's time or attention. However, if people waste their money on her product, she'll continue to sell it. No one is forcing people to buy her product.
She didn't invent twerking, she co-opted it from Louisiana culture (where it began.)
I don't watch or listen to things that I find offensive for one reason or another. When my sons were younger we critiqued mass culture so that they could develop the critical thinking skills to recognize the manipulation - sex sells beer, etc. Girls gone wild commercials - wow, aren't the parents of that guy proud of him asking girls to flash people - and aren't those girls ridiculous for wanting to participate in that same thing.
The reason I even bothered to mention any of this was because of this comment from above:
with violent porn I will bite their head off. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS WHEN VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS SO VERY NORMALIZED?????? This is what happens and more.
So, because someone wants to believe something, no one is allowed to dispute this claim. As you have noted before, if someone posts here, they will find other opinions. I previously tried to explain to this poster that I was as concerned about girls who are locked into work ghettos in China so that Americans can have cheap computer products and Apple execs, etc. can have big salaries. I said something to the effect that we often don't note the things we do that exploit others.
She said she didn't exploit others. All of us do who buy computer products made in horrific conditions in which girls from China are forced to move away from their families and are locked into ghettos at night so they won't try to escape. The point I was trying to make was about "othering" offense. If someone else does it - hair on fire. If you (not you personally, all of us "you"
do... not a peep.
It is offensive to me to see a incident of horrific abuse used as a way to tell people an opinion not based in fact cannot be contradicted with fact.
That sort of mode of being is what liberals criticize conservatives for - that expression that you're allowed your own opinion but not your own facts. Throughout this thread I have posted facts about domestic abuse but not a word in support of Mylie Cyrus. That anyone could find "I support Mylie Cyrus" as the takeaway from what I have posted here - well, I can't control how others view things, I can only offer evidence that such an opinion is in error.
However, instead of engaging in this sort of back and forth here - wouldn't it be GREAT if Steve could use his program to talk about domestic violence because of the horrific nature of this incident? I think it would. The sad fact of journalism and mass culture is that if it bleeds it leads - i.e. it's what viewers will read.
People here could use the resources available through this site to do something effective - education about and attention to a problem, along with the issue of funding for domestic violence programs -
That, to me, is a better use of energy and a more effective way to combat domestic violence - far better than focusing on a pop culture personality and porn - which, again, are simply part of a greater problem.
And, fwiw, I do not consider myself part of any cohort, but I do align myself here with the "fact-based" liberals who are interested in ways to make changes. I also spoke here about what I see as one of the greatest sources of misunderstanding here - and that source is the value someone places upon appeals to emotion rather than appeals to reason.
To paraphrase a friend - if we heard Pat Robertson blaming homosexuality or jazz for hurricane Katrina, we would be appalled. We should be equally unwilling to make these sorts of emotion-based claims for our own opinions.
At least that's how I see it. But, because this situation is such a point of contention here, mostly I just ignore the issue on this forum and focus my energies on issues that I can talk about without having to defend my character among Democrats in order to do so.
This sort of thing reminds me of the Tipper Gore/Zappa moment regarding rap lyrics. Neither side was accurately represented in the media, but it certainly didn't help Democrats for voters to see Democrats siding with the sort of censorship, etc. that has been the hallmark of conservatism since.. forever.
story,please keep us updated if you hear how she's doing.
