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white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:28 PM Jan 2014

Cracked's "6 Shocking Realities of the Secret Troubled Teen Industry."

I saw this article over at Cracked and had to share it because frankly I find it beyond a little disturbing. These places should be shut down. To be honest if your solution to your child's problems is to hand them over to strangers, and in some case have them kidnapped in the middle of the night, then you shouldn't be allowed to raise children in the first place. Frankly, I think parents who send their kids off to these places should be charged with, at least, neglect. It is beyond disgusting.

Link: http://www.cracked.com/article_20843_6-shocking-realities-secret-troubled-teen-industry.html

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Cracked's "6 Shocking Realities of the Secret Troubled Teen Industry." (Original Post) white_wolf Jan 2014 OP
Um...wow. Atman Jan 2014 #1
Why is Cracked running this, and not a major media outlet? hedgehog Jan 2014 #2
Cracked used to be like Mad Magazine...now it's more like Daily Show. Atman Jan 2014 #3
+1... SidDithers Jan 2014 #37
It really has morphed from a collection of dick jokes to really informative pieces. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #38
Two words "Multi-million dollars" Aerows Jan 2014 #10
^^^ This. nt laundry_queen Jan 2014 #18
Shit, I've never heard of this TlalocW Jan 2014 #4
You know what I wonder? white_wolf Jan 2014 #6
In the fantasy I'm having now TlalocW Jan 2014 #12
K&R redqueen Jan 2014 #5
That's horrifying. myrna minx Jan 2014 #7
Another authoritarian clusterfuck. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #8
+ underpants Jan 2014 #9
I have read about this get the red out Jan 2014 #11
Sounds weird, but.. cracked nails it.. again. n/t X_Digger Jan 2014 #13
it's so funny DonCoquixote Jan 2014 #14
I was locked up in one for a year and a half... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #15
Holy shit Chris! I'm soooo sorry! WTF?? loudsue Jan 2014 #20
Thank you. It's nice to hear. I'm glad you believe me. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #23
I'd believe you OriginalGeek Jan 2014 #31
I am sorry that you were faced with this nightmare... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #34
Oh my God! I'm so sorry you were put in that situation. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #36
These are an extension of the old Tough Love program. Shandris Jan 2014 #16
I think I would have laughed and told them they will send me home in 2 weeks Taitertots Jan 2014 #17
You don't understand, I will BRIEFLY try to explain... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #22
Where did they send you Chris? And how did you ever get out? n/t loudsue Jan 2014 #24
Provo Canyon School in the early 1980's. I got out when I turned 18 Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #27
I'm truly sorry you had to go through that experience, and I can't even imagine... adirondacker Jan 2014 #29
I'm really sorry that happened to you, and I admire your courage in speaking out. KitSileya Jan 2014 #33
Well said, and thank you. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #35
I believe you and it is terrible that they treated you like that Taitertots Jan 2014 #39
I understand, I was just trying to point out the difference... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #41
"What, me worry?" edbermac Jan 2014 #19
I agree laundry_queen Jan 2014 #21
Agreed. I think there's something to taking kids out of an environment that's helping them get El_Johns Jan 2014 #28
If you are the kind of parent who would do something like that kcr Jan 2014 #25
This is quite fucking disturbing. nt adirondacker Jan 2014 #26
k/r fishwax Jan 2014 #30
And the first comment to the article was raven mad Jan 2014 #32
It is legal due to the parents agreements but are they immune from a civil suit? Jefferson23 Jan 2014 #40

Atman

(31,464 posts)
3. Cracked used to be like Mad Magazine...now it's more like Daily Show.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:39 PM
Jan 2014

It's actually a pretty serious comedy magazine. Very in tune with current affairs, and way ahead of the curve compared to the "mainstream media." But the, a high school newspaper is more ahead of the curve than the mainstream media.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
37. +1...
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jan 2014

I've become a big fan of Cracked over the last couple years. They still do comedy well, but they're serious stuff can be very hard-hitting.



Sid

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
38. It really has morphed from a collection of dick jokes to really informative pieces.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 11:50 AM
Jan 2014

Though it still is a TVTropes/Wikipedia-level time vampire.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
10. Two words "Multi-million dollars"
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jan 2014

We have precious few true journalistic outlets anymore. The "news" is owned and run by the same group of people. Very rarely do journalists get real anymore, and anything that threatens a moneyed interest group is verboten.

TlalocW

(15,381 posts)
4. Shit, I've never heard of this
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:47 PM
Jan 2014

This is one of those things that makes me angrily violent and makes me wish, I could go back in time and have some of those fuckers come after me so I could break their legs.

TlalocW

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
6. You know what I wonder?
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jan 2014

Let's say you're 14 or 15 and some guys break into your house and try and kidnap you, which is what this is let's not mince words. What is your reaction going to be? Some people might go along without it out of fear. Honestly I might have, but some people will choose to fight. What if they do break bones? I'm sorry, but if I'm on the jury I'm not going to charge the kids with anything. In fact, I'll be asking the DA why the hell the parents and the people who did this aren't being charged with child abuse like the scum they are.

TlalocW

(15,381 posts)
12. In the fantasy I'm having now
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jan 2014

I'd be compliant at first. Then the moment their guard was down, I'd run into the garage, grab a baseball bat, and wait. There were plenty of hiding places in our garage, and at least one of them would have gone to the hospital for head trauma. I really, really hope some kid gets the chance to play out this fantasy on these sick fucks.

TlalocW

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. Another authoritarian clusterfuck.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jan 2014
So what kind of crime does a kid have to commit to wind up subjected to this? Anything -- kids can be sent away for drug use, depression, eating disorders, really any behavioral issue you can dream up. Some were sent away for bad grades, or for not following the family religion, or for being gay.

get the red out

(13,463 posts)
11. I have read about this
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jan 2014

These are torture camps, they totally mind-fuck these kids. It is horrific. Kids have been killed at these places. I don't see how places like this aren't human rights violations.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/08/cult-spawned-tough-love-teen-industry

From what I've read, their "treatment" plans trace their ancestry to a cult called "Synanon". And the war on drugs, and Nancy Reagan's "just say no" really put people in the position to freak out if their kids did any kind of drugs, and these places would convince parents only they could save their kids.

Sick!

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
15. I was locked up in one for a year and a half...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jan 2014

If I told you what I saw and experienced you would never believe me. I believe that the things that I experienced there are a major cause of the daily panic attacks I still suffer to this day.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
20. Holy shit Chris! I'm soooo sorry! WTF??
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:58 PM
Jan 2014

I have no doubt you'd be having panic attacks after that. I'm surprised you came out with your mind in tact at all! I'm just so so sorry his happened to you!

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
31. I'd believe you
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 02:32 AM
Jan 2014

My mother and step-father supported Lester Roloff. My step-father attended his funeral after he died in a plane crash in 1982. I never had to go but I can't even tell you how close I was.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/new-bethany-ifb-teen-homes-abuse?page=2

New Beginnings and numerous other Christian reform schools trace their lineages to Texas radio evangelist Lester Roloff, who founded the Rebekah Home for Girls in Corpus Christi back in 1967, employing disciplinary tactics that were adopted by dozens of imitators. He also pioneered girls' singing groups as a way to promote Rebekah Home—the "Honeybee Quartet" was featured in his daily revivalist radio broadcasts. But back at the hive, Roloff's wards were often subjected to days in locked isolation rooms where his sermons played in an endless loop. They also endured exhaustive corporal punishment.
"Better a pink bottom than a black soul,"


My step-father was at this:
In a 1979 standoff that would become the stuff of fundamentalist folklore, Roloff declared his cause "the Christian Alamo," organizing hundreds of supporters into barricades to keep state officials off his compound. The ensuing church-state battle outlived Roloff, who died in a plane crash in 1982. The home relocated to Missouri three years later, returning to Texas in 1998 after then-Gov. George W. Bush deregulated the activities of faith-based groups there.


Every kid I knew that came back from there came back fucked up. But I didn't need to go there as my step-father was more than happy to do the beating his ownself.
 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
34. I am sorry that you were faced with this nightmare...
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jan 2014

I say that people would never believe because I lived it and I have a hard time believing it myself. It simply seems impossible that things like this could happen in this country, right under people's noses, and they would have no idea what the smiling charismatic fanatic is capable of. And more, you simply cannot explain to someone who has never experienced it for themselves just how horrific seemingly minor things can become if horror is the goal and the victim starts from a position of powerless despair.

For example, I was in that place for about three months and had apparently successfully completed their initial indoctrination program before I was transferred out of their windowless intake facility to a regular unit. I wont go into how they did their indoctrination here now, but suffice it to say that it was very effective at BREAKING people. Absolute power and control makes this very easy. None the less, I was only out of that intake unit for about a week before I was snatched up and hauled down to their disciplinary detention unit. I did not know what I had done, and it turns out that they didn't either. That was irrelevant, it was just arbitrary evil and violence for the sake of violence.

Understand that I was scared, though terror is perhaps the better word. They sat me down in a chair facing a wall, handed me a pad and pencil, and told me to write what I had done. I didn't know what they wanted to read though, so I made something up. After an hour or so the guards came and took the paper, yelled at me for lying, tore it up and ordered me to begin again. This was repeated over and over and over again. They told me that they already knew what I had done, my friends had already ratted me out, but I needed to confess. They worked in shifts, I stayed in the chair facing the wall. They let me get up a few times a day to go to the bathroom, but other than that I was in that chair confessing away to increasingly insane shit. I confessed to plotting to blow up the place, I confessed to worshipping Satan, I confessed to sexual thoughts.

I was in that chair for three days without sleep and very little food. They did the good cop bad cop thing, and even though I KNEW it was bullshit it still worked. When you are a kid and you know that the people who are holding you prisoner can literally do ANYTHING to you, and you haven't slept and you are scared shitless and giant adults are standing behind you where you cannot see them raging at you, hitting you if you start to nod off, hitting you if you don't confess... the guy who comes up and says nice things, who says he wants to help you, but he doesn't know how much longer he can keep these other guys in check, you know it's bullshit but you LOVE that guy anyway. You want to believe.

Eventually they let me go from that chair. I don't know what they ultimately decided I had done, what the crime supposedly was, but really there was only the ONE crime that applied to everything. Bad thoughts. That was the crime, what constituted the crime and the penalty were all deliberately random. In a totalitarian system the purpose of power is not control or obedience, these are side effects of terror. The purpose of power is power, the goal of evil is evil, they cause pain to cause pain.

I was sentenced to stand at the wall. That was their everyday normal punishment, but it was as much as anything just something to make kids do. Doesn't sound that bad right? Standing involved just that. You stood in a little room, shoulder to shoulder with other boys, facing a wall from six inches away, for 55 minutes per hour with a five minute break. All day. If you shifted too much or touched the wall or collapsed the hour didn't count.

I spent the next SIX MONTHS staring at that wall while the carnage raged around me.

And I was one of the lucky ones. They had a whole lot more to do to me. I experienced some serious shit myself, I got beat and tortured and all that, but they never used the chemicals on me. My therapist, who I saw every few months, told me that they wanted to but he was refusing to sign off on it -- but that might have been bullshit too. The drugs were the final ultimate terror, because we could all see what they did and it was absolutely fucking demonic. Even the fear that they would take you into one of the isolation rooms and just beat you to death paled in comparison.

But anyway, I imagine that most people reading this stuff do not believe it. I don't blame them. And in any case it's a serious bummer to even think about so I will shut up about it and post this without proof reading.

Peace

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
16. These are an extension of the old Tough Love program.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jan 2014

I was threatened with that kind of thing back in the late 80's -- they've been around forever. Many of them are offshore/extraterritorial now though.

Here's a movie that is 'based on true events' (which basically means its mostly true, but not all from the same place at the same time) starring Mila Kunis: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0870204/ There are several of these kinds of movies, but this one is the only one I could cobble together decent search terms for. Age does weird things to the brain!

Yes, these are positively horrifying. One of the boards I'm a member of had a member's younger brother taken off to one of these just a couple of weeks ago. He tried to interfere and his parents disowned him. It's truly a tragic thing, and it wrecks these poor people's lives. His crime, naturally, was confessing to being gay.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
17. I think I would have laughed and told them they will send me home in 2 weeks
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:35 PM
Jan 2014

Then I would spend the next two weeks destroying them with misbehavior. To the point that they would just send me home and refuse to continue the treatment.

For example: They give me a bow saw and a shovel and tell me to pull out a stump. I immediately start using the bow saw to compromise the structure of the barracks.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
22. You don't understand, I will BRIEFLY try to explain...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 10:53 PM
Jan 2014

I spent a year and a half in that place.

For nine MONTHS out of that year and a half I never once saw looked outside, not even through a window as there were none. I saw sunlight indirectly once a week or so, through the ceiling skylights in the gym. I lived in a large room with the lights always on, stuffed with bunks and boys, staff always watching.

People tried to fight and resist. I did. They physically and mentally torture you, and I mean that literally rather than figuratively, and if that all failed they had drugs. Have you ever seen someone that you knew turned into a zombie? One day they are fine, laughing and cracking jokes, as much of a friend as you can have in a place like that, and the next their mind is fucking melted, where they just stand wherever they are placed, drooling and pissing themselves? I have. I can't describe how that feels, knowing that there's no defense, no one to tell, and tomorrow it could be YOU. That's horror, real no-shit horror. And it's arbitrary, it's just random evil for the purpose of evil. Gratuitous violence.

And they TRAIN you. It's easy to say "I would have done this or that," and I don't doubt for a second that you mean it, but that's not how it works. You say those words in a world with rules and boundaries, a world in which it is understood that things will go this far and no further, a world in which there are things like rights, and ethics, and reality means things that we can all agree on, a world that actually exists. But now imagine discovering that all of that is gone, there are no rules, no limits, no world. Just walls and weird religious rules and endless hours and FEAR.

I could type for days about how they break you, how they turn you into a cultist who hates himself and his cult, but you wouldn't understand and you wouldn't believe me anyway. You probably don't even believe what I have already written. I understand that and it's okay.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
27. Provo Canyon School in the early 1980's. I got out when I turned 18
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 01:08 AM
Jan 2014

I don't know what the place is like today, but I know what it was like at that time. And there would be no way to know unless you were there, these places are FANTASTIC at putting on a pleasant front. It's what goes on behind locked doors and blank walls that matters.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
29. I'm truly sorry you had to go through that experience, and I can't even imagine...
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 01:23 AM
Jan 2014

My HS right wingnut teachers were bad enough to endure, but that pales in comparison. Ughh!

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
33. I'm really sorry that happened to you, and I admire your courage in speaking out.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jan 2014

These tactics are pretty much the same tactics an abuser uses on his or her victims, only writ large. It's so easy to say 'why didn't you...', or 'if that happened to me, I would...', but these are proven tactics, used by torturers, cultists, abusers - and they use them because they work. It takes a lot of fortitude, courage, and luck to get away from it, end even if you do, there are consequences, or what in Norwegian is called 'later effects' - because some of them only manifest afterwards.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
39. I believe you and it is terrible that they treated you like that
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 11:03 PM
Jan 2014

I don't think that you believe me, when I say that I was an incorrigible (not violent) teenager. Based solely on my reactions to events during my youth, I'm pretty sure I'd end up heavily sedated or sent home.

I don't want to get into a "I have done this or I have done that". Suffice to say, at various points in my life arbitrary authority figures have tried to coerce me into behaving in the manner that they want and I refused in a manner that caused them to give up. Obviously that is different from being imprisoned.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
41. I understand, I was just trying to point out the difference...
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 11:29 PM
Jan 2014

Ultimately it comes down to a whole lot more than simply being locked up, and I suspect that I (unsurprisingly) failed to get that across. That failure lies in me, I just do not have the words. Some events transcend the limits of language. In any case, thank you, and please be assured that I was NOT trying to be rude, just as I never once believed that of you.

Even talking about this is very hard for me. Even thinking about it freaks me out, and I have been kind of a wreck since I responded to this thread. Anyway, yeah. What else is there to say but fuck it, right?

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
21. I agree
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 07:03 PM
Jan 2014

if you think one of these places is a good way to solve your teen's 'behavioral' problems, then you shouldn't be allowed to raise kids.

It even makes me sadder to see this after watching a program here in Canada on the CBC the other night about a school for troubled kids that involved giving these kids the adrenaline rush they need (the premise is most troubled teens are hardwired to be addicted to danger and adrenaline). They took them on long, arduous but fun hiking trips, they did sports and a lot of fitness competitions, their classes were out in the mountains where they learned about heat and convection and cold etc. They learn that they can succeed and find great jobs doing what they love - one of their success stories was an extreme kayak-er guide who said he never knew he could choose that kind of career and thanks to the school, he's happy. One of the girls said now she was looking forward to doing things like skydiving and parasailing instead of stealing cars. It's not just physical stuff either - a therapist goes everywhere with them, so anytime a kid needs to talk or debrief, someone qualified is there. All the teens seemed thrilled to be in the program, but the sad part was there just wasn't enough funding for all the kids who needed it.

THAT is the kind of program that should be supported, not this bullshit 'tough love' stuff.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
28. Agreed. I think there's something to taking kids out of an environment that's helping them get
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 01:18 AM
Jan 2014

in trouble, but the "breaking," torture, manipulation & drugs is IMO counterproductive.

Summer camp worked wonders for me -- it was a completely new experience, (so isolated you had to hike into the location, with no phone, TV, etc. & power generated on site from a waterfall), with new people & different ways of behaving, that was worlds away from my ordinary experience. I'd say more than anything it showed me that the world was bigger than my little world, which changed my thinking generally.

I wish all kids could experience that gentle, generous environment.

kcr

(15,316 posts)
25. If you are the kind of parent who would do something like that
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 12:40 AM
Jan 2014

then that is likely the cause of the problem in the first place. i can't imagine what it must be like to be betrayed like that. Awful. I agree with you, they should be charged.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
32. And the first comment to the article was
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 04:57 AM
Jan 2014
So what you're saying is, I should taze anyone who would ever suggest one of these places for my sons? Because that's the message I'm getting here.


Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_20843_6-shocking-realities-secret-troubled-teen-industry_p2.html#ixzz2qY9qMukY

No, sweetie, I wouldn't taze them. I have another thought in mind......

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
40. It is legal due to the parents agreements but are they immune from a civil suit?
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 11:18 PM
Jan 2014

This statement is criminal: They would make kids role-play characters from memories of rape and abuse, forcing them to relive childhood horrors.


I would like to know if the victims could sue these places.


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