Life With a Hydrogen Fuel Cell Honda

[question everything]

Jon Spallino, 48, a retired investor from Redondo Beach, Calif., on his hydrogen-powered Honda, as told to A.J. Baime:

When Honda put out a hydrogen fuel-cell car, I was the very first retail customer, in 2005. Since then I've signed on for a newer Honda FCX Clarity, which is only available in Southern California. The fuel is hydrogen in compressed gas form, which interacts with oxygen to develop electricity. The only emissions are water.

My range is about 230 miles a tank, and there are two fueling stations near me that have hydrogen pumps, which look like regular pumps, only the nozzle attaches more securely. There is no protocol yet on how to charge for the fuel, so Honda has embedded the cost in the lease price [at $600 a month plus tax]. There's no charge at the pump.

The car has an electric feel. It has good acceleration and provides comfortable highway cruising speeds. There's very little noise. The downside? Although hydrogen is the most prevalent element in the universe, getting it into this form is time-consuming. Like any nascent technology, the cost to produce the cars and the fuel is very high. And the infrastructure isn't there. I can't drive this car, say, to San Francisco. There are no pumps.

Will governments and fuel companies create hydrogen highways? I have no idea. But I enjoy everything about the car, especially lack of pollution.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304549504579320641877168558

(If you cannot open by clicking, try copy and paste the title onto google)

[solarhydrocan]

1. Toyota will sell a Hydrogen car next year

Hydrogen: The Fuel of the Future! And no LI batteries that catch on fire

“We aren’t trying to re-invent the wheel; just everything necessary to make them turn,” said Bob Carter, Toyota’s senior veep of U.S. auto operations. “For years, the use of hydrogen gas to power an electric vehicle has been seen by many smart people as a foolish quest. Yes, there are significant challenges. The first is building the vehicle at a reasonable price for many people. The second is doing what we can to help kick-start the construction of convenient hydrogen refueling infrastructure.”
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/01/toyota-hydrogen/

Here's a guy that makes Hydrogen from a water hose (H20) using solar power for electrolysis (it's free) and fills his car tanks and gets ~400 mile range.

Lots of H1:



Here's a guy that uses Solar/Hydrogen to power his house:

A New Jersey resident generates and stores all the power he needs with solar panels and hydrogen

EAST AMWELL, N.J.—Mike Strizki has not paid an electric, oil or gas bill—nor has he spent a nickel to fill up his Mercury Sable—in nearly two years. Instead, the 51-year-old civil engineer makes all the fuel he needs using a system he built in the capacious garage of his home, which employs photovoltaic (PV) panels to turn sunlight into electricity that is harnessed in turn to extract hydrogen from tap water....more
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=hydrogen-house

imagine how much Hydrogen could be made with a solar park like this:



Hydrogen: The Fuel of the Future. Now.

[Fumesucker]

7. Hydrogen is rather flammable too

[solarhydrocan]

8. If you go outside the cities in any state

you will see tanks of highly flammable gas- next to houses!



the area 51 scientist Bob Lazar in the video above with the tanks explains that Hydrogen when stored with Hydride becomes safer than regular gas tanks in every car on the road. "you can cut the tank in half with a chainsaw and- no fire"

In chemistry, a hydride is the anion of hydrogen, H?, or, more commonly, an alloy, or compound in which one or more hydrogen centres have nucleophilic, reducing, or basic properties. In compounds that are regarded as hydrides, hydrogen is bonded to a more electropositive element or group. Compounds containing hydrogen bonded to metals or metalloid may be referred to as hydrides, even though these hydrogen centres can have a protic character. Almost all of the elements form binary compounds with hydrogen,..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydride

Does anyone bother reading the full thread anymore? Sheesus.

[Fumesucker]

9. Lithium cells as used in cars aren't all that flammable, certainly no more so than hydrogen

Your comment about electric car batteries being flammable is what's getting the reaction from posters on this thread.

Burning cars are hardly unusual in the USA.

http://www.nfpa.org/safety-information/for-consumers/vehicles

U.S. fire departments responded to an estimated average of 152,300 automobile fires per year in 2006-2010. These fires caused an average of 209 civilian deaths, 764 civilian injuries, and $536 million in direct property damage.

[solarhydrocan]

10. Fire or not, sooner or later these lithium batteries will need replacement. Cost: $5-10,000.

My point is that there is a better way- a way that is proven in the video with the tanks.

No batteries to either catch fire or replace. And if this replacement is outside of warranty, the cost will dwarf the savings on gas.

H1 is the future. There are oceans, rivers and lakes of it. Stored using Hydride, there is no limit to what it can be used for.

I don't suppose you have a comment on this?

A New Jersey resident generates and stores all the power he needs with solar panels and hydrogen

EAST AMWELL, N.J.—Mike Strizki has not paid an electric, oil or gas bill—nor has he spent a nickel to fill up his Mercury Sable—in nearly two years. Instead, the 51-year-old civil engineer makes all the fuel he needs using a system he built in the capacious garage of his home, which employs photovoltaic (PV) panels to turn sunlight into electricity that is harnessed in turn to extract hydrogen from tap water....more
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=hydrogen-house

[Fumesucker]

11. I'm not sure if I want my klutzy neighbor concentrating large quantities of hydrogen in his garage

And batteries are being improved all the time.

http://gizmodo.com/5464320/improved-lithium-ion-batteries-deliver-10000-charges-20-year-lifespans

Improved Lithium Ion Batteries Deliver 10,000 Charges, 20 Year Lifespans

[Savannahmann]

2. It's been reviewed by several Car shows.

Including 5th Gear.

Top gear, but it's not on You Tube.

[solarhydrocan]

3. Elon Musk was not amused when Top Gear reviewed the Roadster

rofl

Top Gear Responds to Tesla’s Lawsuit

You may know that Tesla has issued a writ against Top Gear for defamation and malicious falsehood over the road test that we broadcast of the Tesla Roadster in December 2008. The normal procedure for the BBC in a legal case is to acknowledge receipt of the other party’s claim, and then say no more and get on with preparing its defense for court.
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/04/top-gear-responds-to-teslas-lawsuit/

The great thing about TG UK is that they don't have to cater to advertisers.

That and Clarkson!

[bobclark86]

4. Three things:

1)


2) Water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

3) There are 121,000 gas stations in the U.S.

Hydrogen stations?

Ten.

I've been in hydrogen cars before. Not horrible, except having to bring a second one on a flatbed to get from here to Washington, D.C., and then towing both home again.

[solarhydrocan]

5. three responses

1. Lots of people have tanks of a highly explosive gas on their property. It's called Propane.



2. Clouds are water vapor



3. There could be 121,000 hydrogen stations in the US in 6 months if it was a priority. But right now invading and conquering lands 8,000 miles away is a priority



As for your having to tow 2 hydrogen cars, that doesn't seem to be a problem for the guy in the video above that gets 400 miles range in a conventional engine with his hydride/hydrogen tanks.

[bobclark86]

6. Hydrogen is nasty stuff.

1)


2) "Hydrogen fuel could widen ozone hole"
--Nature, 13 June, 2013
http://www.nature.com/news/2003/030609/full/news030609-14.html

3) Who is going to pay for it? Hell, we don't even know how to BILL it (it's included in the price of the lease), let alone build the infrastructure before the card swiper so it doesn't explode or destroy the ozone layer.

But for now, the closest of the 10 stations is about 1,000 miles away from me.

Oh, and the actual price tag of the FCX (assuming it had one) would be about $120,000. I'll stick with my old USA-made Huffy. Can't get much greener or carbon-neutral than a 20-year-old bicycle.

[KamaAina]

12. They should set up fueling stations up and down 5

the way Tesla has set up charging stations.