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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:38 PM Jan 2014

Senator Leahy's statement on the President’s NSA reforms

Comments Of Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Chairman, Senate Committee On The Judiciary, Following The President’s National Security Speech

(Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) on Friday responded to President Obama’s announcement that he will work with Congress to improve oversight of government surveillance programs. Leahy is the lead Democratic coauthor of the bipartisan USA FREEDOM Act, and earlier this week presided over a hearing featuring all five members of the President’s Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technologies to discuss their recent recommendations to overhaul the government’s surveillance authorities.)

“I commend the President for taking important steps to maintain our national security while protecting privacy rights and civil liberties – both here and abroad. The President is helping to restore the nation’s historic role as a beacon of individual freedoms, under the rule of law.

“I am encouraged that the President has embraced the growing consensus that the Section 215 phone records program should not continue in its current form. The bulk collection of Americans’ phone records has not made us safer. I look forward to working with the administration as it develops alternatives to this program and urge consideration of the privacy implications of any mandate that these records be held in the private sector. I also welcome the transparency measures announced today, including reforms to the secrecy surrounding National Security Letters which are in line with reforms I have been pushing for years.

“The American people are inching toward greater understanding – and eventually, perhaps, consensus – about both the sweep and the implications of these programs. When it comes to Americans’ privacy rights, our technological prowess will always present dilemmas and challenges. Simply because we can do something does not always mean that it makes sense to do it. We need to clear-headedly evaluate what we gain from unleashing these technologies, as well as what we risk losing. We must always recognize that in a democracy, government’s role is to serve the people, not the other way around.

“In the wake of these announcements, Congress has important tasks ahead. The President has ordered some significant changes, but more are needed. Section 215 must still be amended, legislatively, to ensure it is not used for dragnet surveillance in the future, and we must fight to create an effective, institutional advocate at the FISA court. I will continue to push for meaningful legislative reforms to our surveillance laws.”

http://www.leahy.senate.gov/press/comments-of-senator-patrick-leahy-d-vt-chairman-senate-committee-on-the-judiciary-following-the-presidents-national-security-speech

Udall, Wyden, Heinrich Statement Reacting to President's Speech on NSA, Surveillance Reform
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024347077
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Senator Leahy's statement on the President’s NSA reforms (Original Post) ProSense Jan 2014 OP
Good for Leahy--put the 215 reauthorization back on Sensenbrenner and the Repubs.... msanthrope Jan 2014 #1
YUP ... time to force congress to stop its posturing and take some action and JoePhilly Jan 2014 #6
Indeed--Sensenbrenner SHOCKED that the bill he authored allowed for NSA data collection.... msanthrope Jan 2014 #8
lol! JoePhilly Jan 2014 #11
there are many here that wouldn't change their minds no matter what... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #2
Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #4
oh baloney, codswallop, nonsense. cali Jan 2014 #18
Okay, alright, yipper. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #20
Or maybe Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #26
Destroy the illegally collected data... n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #3
It wasn't collected illegally. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #5
Federal judge says NSA program appears to violate Constitution PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #7
"Appears" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #9
It also not not equal "Is not" or "Does Not" PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #12
Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #16
On the wrong side of the Constitution PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #17
When do the SCOTUS rule on the issue ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #19
"Appears" to violate the Constitution? Look, if you are going to cite Larry Klayman's litigation msanthrope Jan 2014 #10
Show me a warrant for every citizen of the US PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author RobertEarl Jan 2014 #21
Good Job, PTTP RobertEarl Jan 2014 #22
NSA Phone Surveillance Is Legal, New York Judge Rules ProSense Jan 2014 #13
cockblock, nothing to see there.. n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #15
But a couple of other judges ruled it was illegal. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #24
Links? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #25
Nah let's hire the same firm that Snowden worked at to keep safeguarding it bobduca Jan 2014 #27
I trust Obama with this power, but sooner or later, some other president will abuse it and JDPriestly Jan 2014 #23
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
1. Good for Leahy--put the 215 reauthorization back on Sensenbrenner and the Repubs....
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:40 PM
Jan 2014

if they are truly outraged at all of this, then they shouldn't reauthorize.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
6. YUP ... time to force congress to stop its posturing and take some action and
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jan 2014

accountability.

Its like the outrage displayed by our allies who we know also spy on us ... and who rely on the data the NSA collects for parts of their own intelligence efforts ... but then act SHOCKED about all this.

Time for congress to step up.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
8. Indeed--Sensenbrenner SHOCKED that the bill he authored allowed for NSA data collection....
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:53 PM
Jan 2014

and the DUers on this board who took that, credulously....


 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
2. there are many here that wouldn't change their minds no matter what...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:43 PM
Jan 2014

well unless Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders are the ones commenting..."all other Democrats are suspect"

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. Nope ...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:47 PM
Jan 2014

if EW or BS expressed approval, it would be "under the bus ... I never liked them, anyway" time!

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
7. Federal judge says NSA program appears to violate Constitution
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jan 2014
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/16/21925625-federal-judge-says-nsa-program-appears-to-violate-constitution?lite

A federal judge ruled Monday that the National Security Agency’s gathering of data on all telephone calls made in the United States appears to violate the Constitution’s protection against unreasonable searches.

The judge, Richard Leon of U.S. District Court in Washington, said that the NSA relied on “almost-Orwellian technology” that would have been unimaginable a generation ago, at the time of a landmark Supreme Court decision on phone records.

Leon, an appointee of President George W. Bush, ruled in favor of two Americans who challenged the NSA program and wanted their data removed from NSA records. The judge found that the two were likely to prevail under the Fourth Amendment, the Constitution’s protection against unreasonable search and seizure.
 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
17. On the wrong side of the Constitution
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:34 PM
Jan 2014

The "Laws" as currently exist are Unconstitutional. So, in a way, the laws are illegal to begin with.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
10. "Appears" to violate the Constitution? Look, if you are going to cite Larry Klayman's litigation
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jan 2014

at least show us where in the order the judge made a definitive ruling, or ordered the NSA to stop collecting data on millions of phone calls.

Oh right.....he didn't.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
14. Show me a warrant for every citizen of the US
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:04 PM
Jan 2014

that they have collected data on? Oh, it does not exist. Illegal seizure of data.

Just because a ruling has not happened to date does NOT make an illegal act legal.

Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #14)

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
22. Good Job, PTTP
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:15 PM
Jan 2014

Just wanted to tell you you are arguing with posters, whom, it seems from their defense of spying, they'd just love to spy on you and know everything you do.

Thankfully we do have a constitution that keeps them and their fellow authoritarian lovers from getting into your business.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. But a couple of other judges ruled it was illegal.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 08:08 PM
Jan 2014

And the judge in New York that you cite is known for conservative decisions.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
27. Nah let's hire the same firm that Snowden worked at to keep safeguarding it
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:31 PM
Jan 2014

That makes much more doubleplus good sense eh?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
23. I trust Obama with this power, but sooner or later, some other president will abuse it and
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 08:08 PM
Jan 2014

the American people will pay the consequences. The collection of metadata should be stopped now. I'm less worried about private entities collecting it, but they too should be prohibited from collecting that kind of data.

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