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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 05:20 PM Jan 2014

Arne Duncan "is silent as teachers and principals are fired based on test scores."



Picture courtesy of Reclaim Reform

Why did educators boo Arne Duncan?

Booing is the behavior of the powerless

Booing is the behavior of the powerless. Educators are angry–and Jennings knows this–because of the top-down, authoritarian way in which Duncan has imposed policies that are bad for children, ruinous for teachers, and harmful to the quality of education. Jennings also knows that Duncan holds all the power. Educators may write blogs, opinion pieces, books, and research studies, and they will be completely ignored by Duncan. To say the least, he is uninterested in dialogue and unwilling to change his hardened belief that his policies are successful, no matter what anyone says.

In New York City, our mayor proudly announced that the public should hold him accountable for improving the public schools. After he spent $100 million or so to win a new term, someone in the press asked Mayor Bloomberg how the public could hold him accountable. He answered: “They can boo me at parades.”

He is silent as teachers and principals are fired based on test scores. He is silent as beloved schools are closed because of test scores. He is silent as cities turn their public schools over to entrepreneurs. He is silent as for-profit businesses take over public school districts and as for-profit charters proliferate. He is silent as more and more states adopt vouchers to send public money to religious schools. He is actively abetting the misuse of testing. He is actively supporting the forces of privatization.

We know now he will not change course. The only question is whether public education will survive Arne Duncan.


If Arne Duncan remains in control of our nation's education until 2016, odds are great the public school system will be damaged beyond repair.
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Arne Duncan "is silent as teachers and principals are fired based on test scores." (Original Post) madfloridian Jan 2014 OP
K&R liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #1
"The only question is whether public education will survive Arne Duncan." Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #2
Standardized testing is taking over and ruining education. reformist2 Jan 2014 #3
mission accomplished. not need to brag like bush did nt msongs Jan 2014 #4
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #5
recommend phantom power Jan 2014 #6
He's silent because that was the insidious plan. To force testing rather than education on the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #7
"It is CRUEL what they are doing to children and shameful that it has continued for so long." madfloridian Jan 2014 #8
Duncan's kids WERE enrolled in, I believe, Alexandria Va. public school ...when they first.... Smarmie Doofus Jan 2014 #26
he plays basketball with the Chief - so he has job security DrDan Jan 2014 #9
How about a test for Arne too? progressoid Jan 2014 #10
Arne wouldn't pass a test on education. Maybe on Privatization. I saw him being asked questions sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #12
privatization of education is only equalled frwrfpos Jan 2014 #11
k&r Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #13
Silent? I don't know about that. davidthegnome Jan 2014 #14
I believe Ravitch is implying he doesn't care about harm to teachers and schools and students. madfloridian Jan 2014 #18
Silent? I thought he was driving the bandwagon and caught snarking with regularity. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #15
... n2doc Jan 2014 #16
Ha! madfloridian Jan 2014 #17
Wow. nt abelenkpe Jan 2014 #21
Why does Obama put up with this shite? He will do great for us in one area and in another Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #19
Obama does great in areas which can't be privatized/milked for corporate profits. Divernan Jan 2014 #22
I'm so old, I remember when being a Democrat stood for public education. Octafish Jan 2014 #20
Me. too, Octafish. madfloridian Jan 2014 #36
Silent? Hell, I can just about hear he and his cronies' whoops and shouts of celebration abq e streeter Jan 2014 #23
Duncan is just an obedient puppet - DamnYankeeInHouston Jan 2014 #24
Obama doesn't merely condone; he enables. The Great Corporate Enabler! Divernan Jan 2014 #37
Soft salesman for the sold out. grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #40
Duncan is just an obedient puppet - DamnYankeeInHouston Jan 2014 #24
It's ok. It bears repeating. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jan 2014 #27
Yes, it does. jsr Jan 2014 #28
Test scores aren't ideal, but how else would you measure student progress? PlanetaryOrbit Jan 2014 #29
How about grades and teacher-made tests based on what they are taught in class? madfloridian Jan 2014 #30
But teachers could deliberately give easy tests to get high scores. PlanetaryOrbit Jan 2014 #31
You don't seem to have much knowledge about how schools work. madfloridian Jan 2014 #33
Silent? I would think he would cheer it senseandsensibility Jan 2014 #32
The tweets are much appreciated. madfloridian Jan 2014 #34
I don't have proof, but, I'm sure they were fired for having a high salary, not a low score. lindysalsagal Jan 2014 #35
I agree that is going on. Trying to turn teaching into a field of temps, no more career teachers. madfloridian Jan 2014 #42
He was also silent as Learning Ally pled with him to preserve a program suffragette Jan 2014 #38
Thanks for sharing that. Was not aware. madfloridian Jan 2014 #39
Yes, it's a great program suffragette Jan 2014 #41

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
2. "The only question is whether public education will survive Arne Duncan."
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jan 2014

Not if he can help it. His goal seems to be total privatization. Despite the fact that, when results are measured fairly, privatization does not lead to improved education.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
3. Standardized testing is taking over and ruining education.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jan 2014

There is so much time wasted now teaching to the test that it's starting to crowd out genuine learning.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. He's silent because that was the insidious plan. To force testing rather than education on the
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 06:14 PM
Jan 2014

public schools and attach the entrapment clause, where they presumed children would be unable to stand the pressure, children who need teaching, direction, understanding and creative educational techniques to overcome disabilities etc, no they KNEW those children would fail.

Airc this came about through the Bush/Cheney business oriented approach to schools.

It is CRUEL what they are doing to children and shameful that it has continued for so long.

The goal was to close public schools and take that money for Private Corporations.

These people are psychopaths and should not be allowed anywhere near children.

Btw, are Arne Duncan's kids in any of these schools he is so proud of?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
8. "It is CRUEL what they are doing to children and shameful that it has continued for so long."
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jan 2014

Amen to that, Sabrina.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
26. Duncan's kids WERE enrolled in, I believe, Alexandria Va. public school ...when they first....
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:36 PM
Jan 2014

... came to DC.

Obviously he knew he'd get flack if he tucked 'em into Sidwell Friends w. the other kids of the DC elite.

They had been in prep schools in Chicago. No surprise there.

Naturally he wasn't about to put the kids in Michelle Rhee's tender care. Those schools are for the little people.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. Arne wouldn't pass a test on education. Maybe on Privatization. I saw him being asked questions
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jan 2014

regarding education once and I know ten year olds who could have done better. He gets testy when he's caught showing his ignorance of a subject he is supposed to be an expert on.

 

frwrfpos

(517 posts)
11. privatization of education is only equalled
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jan 2014

By the privatization of prisons for pure cruelty and evil heartedness. The goal is not to educate but to make submissive non questioning adults who wont dare protest or speak out about the extreme violent economic conditions in this country.

Also kicking amd recommending this thread

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
14. Silent? I don't know about that.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 06:36 PM
Jan 2014

He has been advocating for these things all along.

Arne Duncan is a colossal douche bag - and one of my greatest disappointments with this administration.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
19. Why does Obama put up with this shite? He will do great for us in one area and in another
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 07:30 PM
Jan 2014

like Education, he appoints this sold out POS!!!

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
22. Obama does great in areas which can't be privatized/milked for corporate profits.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jan 2014

No corporate interests lobbied against gay marriage or dropping the ban on gay members in the military. On the contrary, it profits MIC to welcome gays - more canon fodder for endless wars.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
20. I'm so old, I remember when being a Democrat stood for public education.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 07:35 PM
Jan 2014

Soon, we'll be outcasts if we oppose eliminating the Department of Education.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
36. Me. too, Octafish.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:51 AM
Jan 2014

That's what makes this whole reform thing so hard to take. Now neither party stands for public education. That is just totally blowing my mind.

abq e streeter

(7,658 posts)
23. Silent? Hell, I can just about hear he and his cronies' whoops and shouts of celebration
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:14 PM
Jan 2014

from 2,000 miles away.

DamnYankeeInHouston

(1,365 posts)
24. Duncan is just an obedient puppet -
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jan 2014

his strings being pulled by those who want to make money off of schools. I find it so disheartening that Obama condones this.

Schools are not safe for children and other living things.

DamnYankeeInHouston

(1,365 posts)
24. Duncan is just an obedient puppet -
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jan 2014

his strings being pulled by those who want to make money off of schools. I find it so disheartening that Obama condones this.

Schools are not safe for children and other living things.

PlanetaryOrbit

(155 posts)
29. Test scores aren't ideal, but how else would you measure student progress?
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:54 PM
Jan 2014

GPA is different from school to school. An easy school might give high GPAs, a difficult school might give low GPAs. You have a very hard time determining student performance based off of GPA.


Put more emphasis on the SATs?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
30. How about grades and teacher-made tests based on what they are taught in class?
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 09:09 PM
Jan 2014

Teachers are required to keep grade books in detail and plan books (which when I was teaching had to turned in for inspection each week).

The way things are under the reformers, the teachers' grades in the grade book are meaningless. I know in Florida honor students, those at the top of the classes....can be put in remedial classes if they have a bad day on the state standardized test. Their academic futures can depend on sources that have nothing to do with classroom tests or projects assigned by the teachers.

It's a strange question because students are and always have been tested, but traditionally it is been based on classwork, test grades given by the teacher, and assignments such as research papers.

Even colleges look at such info as well as the SAT and ACT or other such tests.

PlanetaryOrbit

(155 posts)
31. But teachers could deliberately give easy tests to get high scores.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jan 2014

The scores could differ drastically from classroom to classroom.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
33. You don't seem to have much knowledge about how schools work.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 09:54 PM
Jan 2014

Most grades plan together for one thing. Even before NCLB, RTTT, and Common Core schools had goals set by the district or by the state.

No, it would not benefit a teacher to skew grades in any way. The teacher grades barely count when there are so many high-stakes' tests to give. They are formulated and graded by companies who profit from it.

lindysalsagal

(20,680 posts)
35. I don't have proof, but, I'm sure they were fired for having a high salary, not a low score.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jan 2014

As long as boards of ed have to get re-elected,they'll want to get rid of the most experienced and hence, expensive teachers.

A brand new teacher costs less than half a veteran. there's nothing about ability here. It's all $$$.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
42. I agree that is going on. Trying to turn teaching into a field of temps, no more career teachers.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:59 PM
Jan 2014

Profit is bottom line now, not education.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
38. He was also silent as Learning Ally pled with him to preserve a program
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:51 AM
Jan 2014

that provided students with print disabilities free membership to their library of accessible books. This reduced both access and independence, creating significant barriers to their learning opportunities.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
39. Thanks for sharing that. Was not aware.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:22 AM
Jan 2014

It looks like a great program. I would say Arne is heartless and uncaring toward those who need the most caring and help.

https://www.learningally.org/



Guess you can tell he is one of my most unfavorite people.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
41. Yes, it's a great program
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jan 2014

And fills an important need. It would have been easy for Arne to continue making the free membership available. But clearly, that is not important to him.
I share your view of him.

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