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Wow! Rachel just announced, (Original Post) Cleita Jan 2014 OP
Some times I love me some feds! Lint Head Jan 2014 #1
Hope they get something concrete on Christie, but I'm feeling like Plamegate. Hoyt Jan 2014 #2
yeh. all that needs to be done is someone kick some sand in the fed faces Whisp Jan 2014 #3
God, I remember expecting and praying for a big indictment for months. Nothing. Hoyt Jan 2014 #4
Pretty sure the feds....any fed agency Sheepshank Jan 2014 #60
I certainly hope so. Just girding for dissapointment tho. n/t Whisp Jan 2014 #61
He stepped on too many toes. alfredo Jan 2014 #13
Concrete... nikto Jan 2014 #33
What a great basis for a conspiracy theory if he disappeared. Hoyt Jan 2014 #35
Except I think he's the mafia boss, and that's the one the doesn't swim with the fishes. tavalon Jan 2014 #42
If his minions turn on him MynameisBlarney Jan 2014 #43
I'd rather see him do the perp walk. tavalon Jan 2014 #45
Me too. MynameisBlarney Jan 2014 #49
He's (rightly) Aerows Jan 2014 #62
So rightly. tavalon Jan 2014 #69
FBI questions Hoboken mayor’s aides, sources say ProSense Jan 2014 #5
Yep. I was just going to post as well. Cleita Jan 2014 #6
Procedure. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #7
I don't, but ProSense Jan 2014 #8
That Is Correct.... Laxman Jan 2014 #24
another thought on the tactic... 2naSalit Jan 2014 #37
They're not going "after" Zimmer, they're investigating. George II Jan 2014 #22
I thought this was particularly interesting...! Cha Jan 2014 #15
Ouch! Corroborating witness. That's gonna hurt! calimary Jan 2014 #27
Wow. I think that is even better than the diary entries. nt SunSeeker Jan 2014 #32
Yeah, someone under oath Cha Jan 2014 #34
I hope those witnesses stay safe. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #25
This is really getting interesting. polichick Jan 2014 #9
I can hear the shredding in Trenton flamingdem Jan 2014 #10
LOL! Cleita Jan 2014 #12
Lol! hrmjustin Jan 2014 #14
King of Shredding klook Jan 2014 #18
That could be Christie's new nickname flamingdem Jan 2014 #19
k&r... spanone Jan 2014 #11
Hmmmmm volstork Jan 2014 #16
Two Jersey reporters on Lawrence O'Donnell madashelltoo Jan 2014 #17
Well, we'll see about that flamingdem Jan 2014 #20
They're ProSense Jan 2014 #38
This was already reported on NBC's website and the Bergen Record (newspaper) site. George II Jan 2014 #21
YAY!!!! Hopefully more media will pick it up! bettyellen Jan 2014 #46
There Will Be At Least Two More.... Laxman Jan 2014 #23
Good! Zimmer will be vindicated flamingdem Jan 2014 #29
be glad to hear them say that the investigation points directly at Christie... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #26
Yes, as appears to relate to distribution of Sandy funds, elleng Jan 2014 #28
If there's no e-mails mercymechap Jan 2014 #30
nope, people have gone to jail just on testimony before….but THANKS FOR TRYING. bettyellen Jan 2014 #48
Well, I certainly hope so, mercymechap Jan 2014 #55
This totally explains the gag on Zimmer herding cats Jan 2014 #31
I'm betting the rethugs are thinking pnwest Jan 2014 #36
Watergate was a little thing until it took down a President tavalon Jan 2014 #39
Does anyone else think that the Christie administration resembles tavalon Jan 2014 #40
Yup. MynameisBlarney Jan 2014 #47
Looks like Christie went a bridge too far. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #41
Good one - wonder if that's been a headline yet? polichick Jan 2014 #64
I bet the NY Daily News has done it. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #65
Just did a search on their site - not there, unless I somehow missed it. polichick Jan 2014 #67
Even if they find anything... Dopers_Greed Jan 2014 #44
Well, CC is playing it like Reagan sadoldgirl Jan 2014 #50
How soon before, the "I am not a crook" speech a la Nixon? Cleita Jan 2014 #53
Whoohoo!! lark Jan 2014 #51
I want this POS to run for POTUS on the GOP ticket. mikeysnot Jan 2014 #52
RICO! n/t VA_Jill Jan 2014 #54
You are prophetic. Cleita Jan 2014 #56
something smells PatrynXX Jan 2014 #57
Cannot wait to see him exercising in the prison yard Hepburn Jan 2014 #58
..and all of the peeps he buffaloed into copping a plea.... PeoViejo Jan 2014 #59
Sweet, poetic justice! n/t Hepburn Jan 2014 #70
Christie made to many enemies Aerows Jan 2014 #63
I'm kinda glad. I've been fed up with government Cleita Jan 2014 #66
Ironic, isn't it? The more weight he lost, the bigger he thought he became. randome Jan 2014 #68
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
3. yeh. all that needs to be done is someone kick some sand in the fed faces
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:16 PM
Jan 2014

and, sorry, we can't do anything.

fuck Fitz

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. God, I remember expecting and praying for a big indictment for months. Nothing.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:22 PM
Jan 2014

What a disappointment.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
60. Pretty sure the feds....any fed agency
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 08:05 PM
Jan 2014

Is not about to put their necks on the chopping block. Fed agencies will try not be taking extreme risks to smear what little public good will remains. The FBI involvement comes with a high degree of assurance there is real fire behind this smoke

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
35. What a great basis for a conspiracy theory if he disappeared.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:08 AM
Jan 2014

Not hoping for it or anything, but concrete galoshes would sure fit with the bullying.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. FBI questions Hoboken mayor’s aides, sources say
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jan 2014
FBI questions Hoboken mayor’s aides, sources say

By Michael Isikoff

FBI agents have begun questioning witnesses in the investigation into whether New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s aides threatened to cut off Hurricane Sandy relief money to Hoboken unless the city’s mayor backed a billion-dollar development project, three sources with direct knowledge of the probe told NBC News on Wednesday.

Federal prosecutors and agents have also instructed key witnesses to preserve all documents and emails relating to the allegations by Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer, these sources said.

After Zimmer gave her account of the alleged threat to federal prosecutors on Sunday, federal agents questioned Dan Bryan, Zimmer’s chief of staff, and Juan Melli, her communications director, the sources said.


The two Zimmer aides are among at least five witnesses who Zimmer told the FBI could confirm that she had previously told them about the conversation she says she had with Lt. Gov. Kim Guadagno last May. Zimmer has alleged that during that conversation in a parking lot, the lieutenant governor linked Sandy funding to backing of the development project.

- more -

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/sources-fbi-questions-hoboken-mayors-aides


Cleita

(75,480 posts)
6. Yep. I was just going to post as well.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:36 PM
Jan 2014

Thanks. You have sources. Why are they going after Zimmer first? Is the Guv too hot to handle?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. I don't, but
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:43 PM
Jan 2014

"You have sources. Why are they going after Zimmer first? Is the Guv too hot to handle?"

...it seems to me that based on Zimmer's account, her journal and letters, and the Feds trying to confirm the details, Christie needs to be having a serious conversation with his lawyers.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
24. That Is Correct....
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:30 AM
Jan 2014

that's where the evidence is, that's what hit the public first, that's the easiest to nail down. You start here. Once you figure out that not only is she telling the truth, but there is corroboration, the fun will begin. It also prevents the U.S. Attorney from being embarrassed farther down the road.

2naSalit

(86,636 posts)
37. another thought on the tactic...
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 02:44 AM
Jan 2014

Since the state officials are investigating the bridge thing and haven't begun on the new Hoboken issue, the feds can jump on this aspect and come to the "center" of the sh*tpile from more than one direction. Bridgegate is a federally appropriate case since it involved interstate commerce and transportation, but the Sandy funds, now that's a whopper... and he made all those pricey commercials with a bunch of that money as a campaign prop. And on top of that, he scuttled all oversight of the dispersal of the federal Sandy funds which still have yet to be delivered to the actual intended recipients... there's a whole bunch of there there and I can sense a long hard year for Mr Crispy. This is starting to look like Blogo on steroids.

And who knows, could unravel a big fat onion of corruption throughout the country from this one dirty spot on the map.

He's been said to be tied to the Kochs and look who his defenders are, including Chertoff...


Ooooh baby.


Cha

(297,261 posts)
15. I thought this was particularly interesting...!
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jan 2014

As I commented on warrior's thread..

"David Mello, a member of the Hoboken City Council, told NBC News that Zimmer told him about the Guadagno conversation last summer, either in late July or early August as they were walking home after an event. “I distinctly remember [Zimmer] saying that the lieutenant governor said, ‘If this came out, she would deny it,’” he said.

“I thought it was absurd and outrageous,” said Mello, adding that he pressed Zimmer whether she would speak out publicly about what she said took place. “She told me, ‘It was a done deal that [Christie] was going to be re-elected” and she did not want to jeopardize further funding for the city, he said."


thanks PS

Cha

(297,261 posts)
34. Yeah, someone under oath
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:06 AM
Jan 2014

to corroborate her recollections of what Kim Guadagno said to her at the time.

klook

(12,155 posts)
18. King of Shredding
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:57 PM
Jan 2014

- source: http://usedshreddingtrucks.com/ ... and, in case it's not clear, I am in no way implying any wrongdoing by this company! Although you never know about their customers....

Actually I thought the King of Shredding was maybe somebody like Steve Vai or Ritchie Blackmore, but soon it could be Crisp Crispy.

madashelltoo

(1,698 posts)
17. Two Jersey reporters on Lawrence O'Donnell
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jan 2014

Feel the Feds have no case. All of the evidence thus far has come from Mayor Zimmer's perspective. Her diary and letters and the accounts of those she told about her conversation are not enough to bring charges. They were discouraging, on purpose, I think. One was from PolitifaxNJ. A Christie crony methinks

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
20. Well, we'll see about that
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:21 AM
Jan 2014

Perhaps the feds talking to Zimmer is a technique to make the canaries sing?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
38. They're
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 09:29 AM
Jan 2014

"Two Jersey reporters on Lawrence O'Donnell

Feel the Feds have no case. All of the evidence thus far has come from Mayor Zimmer's perspective. "

...probably Christie supporters at heart. I mean, they're entitled to their opinions, but how would they know?

Also, others disagree.

But James Cohen, a law professor at Fordham University, said the Hoboken case is more serious.

"Closing the George Washington Bridge, that is very serious. It takes a lot of balls," Cohen said. "But this deals with dollars — the misuse of federal tax dollars. The feds will treat that very, very serious."

Legal experts: Alleged Sandy extortion could be more serious than Bridgegate
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/21/1271494/-Legal-experts-Alleged-Sandy-extortion-could-be-more-serious-than-Bridgegate

IMO, Zimmer case is a good place to start. It shows a pattern. Still, I really think people are overlooking the fact that Christie's corrupt use of the Port Authority is a BFD. Remember, it was enough on it's own to launch an investigation.

NJ Port Authority Chief Warned That Bridge Lane Closures Were Illegal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024311993

US attorney inquiry into Christie widens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024358948

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
23. There Will Be At Least Two More....
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:27 AM
Jan 2014

mayors revealing that they were pressured by the Christie administration with the intimation that Sandy money would be forthcoming if an endorsement was forthcoming. One I believe will come forth voluntarily, the other won't have to. They will figure it out without him having to say so first.

One mayor pressured would be an anomaly, two a coincidence, three is a pattern. I think we have a pattern of behavior here.

elleng

(130,925 posts)
28. Yes, as appears to relate to distribution of Sandy funds,
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:42 AM
Jan 2014

and as it's our $$$, Feds should be involved.

mercymechap

(579 posts)
30. If there's no e-mails
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:45 AM
Jan 2014

they're going to deny everything and it will not hurt Christie any more...but, if they were to find at least one incriminating e-mail or any type of record to back the allegation.....it's over for Christie.....

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
48. nope, people have gone to jail just on testimony before….but THANKS FOR TRYING.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 02:03 PM
Jan 2014

her notes are impeccable, the Mayor keeps accurate records. HA.

mercymechap

(579 posts)
55. Well, I certainly hope so,
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:11 PM
Jan 2014

nothing would please me more than to see some arrogant conservative go to jail for breaking the law, but so far all I've seen is "she said/he said)......but, hope springs eternal....

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
31. This totally explains the gag on Zimmer
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:47 AM
Jan 2014

Imagine what it must be like near Christie right now. He's got to be in melt down mode!

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
36. I'm betting the rethugs are thinking
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:19 AM
Jan 2014

a good old fashioned sex scandals looks real good about now...

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
39. Watergate was a little thing until it took down a President
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:55 PM
Jan 2014

Bridgegate will take down a Presidential hopeful. Buh, bye.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
44. Even if they find anything...
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 02:00 PM
Jan 2014

Who wants to bet that Holder and Obama will want to "look forward not backward"?

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
50. Well, CC is playing it like Reagan
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 02:08 PM
Jan 2014

He also used the phrase:" Mistakes were made" in the Iran Contra affair. They all learned from that, because nobody was really punished. Still, hope springs eternal, and if he won't run as presidential candidate, it has had a "reasonable success.

lark

(23,102 posts)
51. Whoohoo!!
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 02:20 PM
Jan 2014

While justice is rarely found when rich or powerful people are involved, we can always hope that at this level, some might still exist.

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
52. I want this POS to run for POTUS on the GOP ticket.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 02:25 PM
Jan 2014

The GOP's great white hope is nothing but a self serving, egotistical, bully, POS.

I want him to melt down on national TV just like Romney did.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
56. You are prophetic.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 05:22 PM
Jan 2014

Mike Papantonio just said it will end up as a RICO case. Said things are like "Boardwalk Empire". He ties Christie to Wall Street as one of their toadies and says Hillary Clinton has the same Wall Street money funding her.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
57. something smells
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jan 2014

ie Christiegate is gonna be so big it'll make all the non scandals the dems have look silly. Blago is sitting in jail for less.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
59. ..and all of the peeps he buffaloed into copping a plea....
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 07:56 PM
Jan 2014

..will be waiting to greet him on arrival...he's going to have a fun time in prison.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
66. I'm kinda glad. I've been fed up with government
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jan 2014

corruption and a abuse of the system for quite awhile now, not just in NJ but nationwide. Maybe this will be a start in shinning a light on this all over the country and maybe our courts and other watchdog entities might start doing something about it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
68. Ironic, isn't it? The more weight he lost, the bigger he thought he became.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jan 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
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