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There are fears a ghost ship full of diseased cannibal rats could be about to crash into the coast of Devon or Cornwall. The abandoned Lyubov Orlova has been missing since it cut adrift while being towed from Canada nearly a year ago.
The 40-year-old liner has been driven across the Atlantic by high winds and is thought close to the UK shore. Based on emergency beacons activated last year aboard the ship, it is feared the 40-year-old Yugoslavian liner registered to Russia could crash into the shore of Devon, Cornwall, Ireland or Scotland.
Those searching for the ship say there are likely to be thousands of disease-ridden rats on board with no source of food except each other, according to The Sun. Belgian-based searcher Pim de Rhoodes said: "She is floating around there somewhere. There will be a lot of rats and they eat each other."
The 4,250-ton ship built to carry 110 passengers was impounded in Canada in 2010 after being deserted by her crew in a debt row. Two years later, she was towed to the Dominican Republic to be scrapped - but abandoned when she broke free.
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Ghost-ship-cannibal-rats-crash-Devon-coast/story-20487193-detail/story.html
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)My thought, exactly.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Imagine that! Can I get a biscuit? Pretty please? Or at LEAST a pat on the head. I mean, I'm not a bitter person, just a girl that likes to laugh at funny jokes.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)For some reason they're more popular than the Babylonian Tax Biscuits.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4367822
1000words
(7,051 posts)madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)Can't they just blow it up?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)PCIntern
(25,552 posts)I'll be right behind you!
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Ships are stripped of pollutants when they are deliberately sunk to form artificial reefs, but when ships are a hazard to safety or navigation they'll usually just send it straight to the bottom without worrying about it.
The U.S. Coast Guard just sank a ship off the coast of Alaska last year that had been adrift since the Japanese tsunami. The ship was far too dangerous to board or tow, so they sent it to the bottom with a few artillery shells.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)This thing could be towed to a dry dock, stripped, then towed back to sea and turned into an artificial reef.
As it is, it could have hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel oil on board, thousands of pounds of asbestos considering when it was built, and who knows what else. I'd hate to say "It's just too much trouble" and sink it, thus ruining the ecosystem for dozens of miles in each direction.
Angleae
(4,484 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Angleae
(4,484 posts)The only guaranteed way of doing it is sinking the boat out in open water.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Asbestos is a natural substance that is harmful to air-breathing creatures with lungs. It isn't going to harm the fish. As for fuel, the ship was being towed when it was lost, so it's extremely unlikely that it had much fuel on board. The two real environmental dangers from a ship this size are going to be PCB's and lead paint, and neither of those are going to be much threat beyond the perimeter of the ship itself.
There are hundreds of thousands of boats and ships littering the worlds seafloors, including modern cargo ships and pleasure vessels, more military ships than you can count, old steamers, and ancient triremes. For as long as we've been sailing, we've been sinking. One more isn't going to ruin the seafloor.
FWIW, the thinking is NOT that it's "too much trouble". Ships are sunk when they become dangers to navigation to REDUCE the chance of adding wrecks to the seafloor. If this thing drifts into a shipping lane and strikes another vessel, there will be two wrecks on the seafloor instead of one. While "cannibal rats" makes a great headline, the real reason for wanting to sink it has to do with protecting ship traffic.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Torpedo that sucker...lets see HOW long Rats swim, and Hello Sharks! Dinner time!
demwing
(16,916 posts)Rabies only affects warm blooded (homeothermic) animals, but while most sharks are poikilothermic, or cold blooded, Makos and Great Whites are very much homeothermic.
I can't imagine much that's more frightening than a rat infested, rabid Great White.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)JAWS 6?
Brigid
(17,621 posts)I'm sure I don't know what else could be done.
ananda
(28,864 posts)And that kind of ship so suited they
That now they are the rulers of the Queen's Navay.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Cool!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)The Diseased Cannibal Rat. Ahoy there boys n girls!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)"But I'm running the helm with Otto Pilot."
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)That is the perfect name for a punk band.
bluesbassman
(19,374 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)"Ghost ship full of cannibal rats" belongs in a song.
BarbaRosa
(2,684 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)It depends how much food they started out with.
Once all food was gone except rats I would expect extinction to follow pretty rapidly.
But since it has only been a year, who knows.
That said, if there is really no other source of calories the number of rats could not be large. The population of a cannibalism ecosystem would be constantly declining.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)You'll kill my screenplay.
1000words
(7,051 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)Are you proposing "Rats on a Ship" as a sequel to "Snakes on a Plane?' Brilliant, let me know if you need funding (I have a $22 million check being deposited any day from Nigeria.)
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)Beacool
(30,249 posts)They are dead, yet they are not.
Be afraid, be very afraid..........
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Every watch the X-Files?
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)and how many rats there were when the food ran out. The gestation period for a rat pregnancy is 22 days. I wonder how long after the litter is born before the mother eats the last of the litter?
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)are much less than the calories taken in by mom during the pregnancy.
Without sunlight at the bottom of the food chain there's no free lunch.
global1
(25,251 posts)chrisa
(4,524 posts)CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)Tara Reid can play a leading scientist.
(I like your casting idea of Dean Cain, although the project may be too classy for him)
chrisa
(4,524 posts)This is, of course, with 'cameo' appearances by Tiffany and Steven Baldwin.
1000words
(7,051 posts)Pauly Shore.
villager
(26,001 posts)Though Uwe Boll is a great choice...
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)jmowreader
(50,559 posts)With such wonderful songs in their repertoire as...
and
and
there's no doubt they could do justice to cannibal rats.
Wounded Bear
(58,661 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)land and the rats to overrun England, a gorgeous female heroine and the brave but handsome hero. The plot has been in dozens of movies already.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Bonx
(2,053 posts)and also creep me out.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Didn't creep me out, but the Tooth Fairy did.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)eggplant
(3,911 posts)rocktivity
(44,576 posts)with snakes and a plane?
rocktivity
riqster
(13,986 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)I think i saw them in concert once but I was soooooooo stoned I don't remember much.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)It's free for the taking? Yes? Law of the sea and all that.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)And all you hear is the patter and squeak of rats..
*shiver*
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)with tartar sauce, yum.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)or maybe some rat pudding
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)Also, rats.
Beacool
(30,249 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)Get Mike Rowe to host it, and I'd watch.
Beacool
(30,249 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)Beacool
(30,249 posts)BTW, those are "cui" (guinea pigs), eaten by people in the "Sierras" of Ecuador.
1000words
(7,051 posts)I'd give it a go, given the opportunity.
Beacool
(30,249 posts)Maybe if they didn't have the head and feet, they wouldn't look so rat like.
1000words
(7,051 posts)"First taste is with the eyes."
Beacool
(30,249 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Beacool
(30,249 posts)That would really scare the panties right off me.
In the neighboring town to mine there's a wonderful movie theater that only shows old movies. It's one of the Loew's palaces. This one was built in 1929. On Halloween in 2007 they showed the silent film "Nosferatu". When he appeared onscreen, some wag yelled out "Look, it's Giuliani". LOL!!!
El_Johns
(1,805 posts)He was one of the "regulars". I wish I could remember where it was in Seattle, it was the weirdest place.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)I cant make her out, he said; shes a Russian, by the look of her; but shes knocking about in the queerest way. She doesnt know her mind a bit; she seems to see the storm coming, but cant decide whether to run up north in the open, or to put in here. Look there again! She is steered mighty strangely, for she doesnt mind the hand on the wheel; changes about with every puff of wind. Well hear more of her before this time to-morrow.
CHAPTER VII
CUTTING FROM THE DAILYGRAPH, 8 AUGUST
(Pasted in Mina Murrays Journal.)
From a Correspondent.
...
Before long the searchlight discovered some distance away a schooner with all sails set, apparently the same vessel which had been noticed earlier in the evening. The wind had by this time backed to the east, and there was a shudder amongst the watchers on the cliff as they realized the terrible danger in which she now was. Between her and the port lay the great flat reef on which so many good ships have from time to time suffered, and, with the wind blowing from its present quarter, it would be quite impossible that she should fetch the entrance of the harbour. It was now nearly the hour of high tide, but the waves were so great that in their troughs the shallows of the shore were almost visible, and the schooner, with all sails set, was rushing with such speed that, in the words of one old salt, she must fetch up somewhere, if it was only in hell. Then came another rush of sea-fog, greater than any hithertoa mass of dank mist, which seemed to close on all things like a grey pall, and left available to men only the organ of hearing, for the roar of the tempest, and the crash of the thunder, and the booming of the mighty billows came through the damp oblivion even louder than before. The rays of the searchlight were kept fixed on the harbour mouth across the East Pier, where the shock was expected, and men waited breathless. The wind suddenly shifted to the north-east, and the remnant of the sea-fog melted in the blast; and then, mirabile dictu, between the piers, leaping from wave to wave as it rushed at headlong speed, swept the strange schooner before the blast, with all sail set, and gained the safety of the harbour. The searchlight followed her, and a shudder ran through all who saw her, for lashed to the helm was a corpse, with drooping head, which swung horribly to and fro at each motion of the ship. No other form could be seen on deck at all. A great awe came on all as they realised that the ship, as if by a miracle, had found the harbour, unsteered save by the hand of a dead man! However, all took place more quickly than it takes to write these words. The schooner paused not, but rushing across the harbour, pitched herself on that accumulation of sand and gravel washed by many tides and many storms into the south-east corner of the pier jutting under the East Cliff, known locally as Tate Hill Pier.
...
It so happened that there was no one at the moment on Tate Hill Pier, as all those whose houses are in close proximity were either in bed or were out on the heights above. Thus the coastguard on duty on the eastern side of the harbour, who at once ran down to the little pier, was the first to climb on board. The men working the searchlight, after scouring the entrance of the harbour without seeing anything, then turned the light on the derelict and kept it there. The coastguard ran aft, and when he came beside the wheel, bent over to examine it, and recoiled at once as though under some sudden emotion. This seemed to pique general curiosity, and quite a number of people began to run. It is a good way round from the West Cliff by the Drawbridge to Tate Hill Pier, but your correspondent is a fairly good runner, and came well ahead of the crowd. When I arrived, however, I found already assembled on the pier a crowd, whom the coastguard and police refused to allow to come on board. By the courtesy of the chief boatman, I was, as your correspondent, permitted to climb on deck, and was one of a small group who saw the dead seaman whilst actually lashed to the wheel.
It was no wonder that the coastguard was surprised, or even awed, for not often can such a sight have been seen. The man was simply fastened by his hands, tied one over the other, to a spoke of the wheel. Between the inner hand and the wood was a crucifix, the set of beads on which it was fastened being around both wrists and wheel, and all kept fast by the binding cords. The poor fellow may have been seated at one time, but the flapping and buffeting of the sails had worked through the rudder of the wheel and dragged him to and fro, so that the cords with which he was tied had cut the flesh to the bone. Accurate note was made of the state of things, and a doctorSurgeon J. M. Caffyn, of 33, East Elliot Placewho came immediately after me, declared, after making examination, that the man must have been dead for quite two days. In his pocket was a bottle, carefully corked, empty save for a little roll of paper, which proved to be the addendum to the log. The coastguard said the man must have tied up his own hands, fastening the knots with his teeth. The fact that a coastguard was the first on board may save some complications, later on, in the Admiralty Court; for coastguards cannot claim the salvage which is the right of the first civilian entering on a derelict. Already, however, the legal tongues are wagging, and one young law student is loudly asserting that the rights of the owner are already completely sacrificed, his property being held in contravention of the statutes of mortmain, since the tiller, as emblemship, if not proof, of delegated possession, is held in a dead hand. It is needless to say that the dead steersman has been reverently removed from the place where he held his honourable watch and ward till deatha steadfastness as noble as that of the young Casabiancaand placed in the mortuary to await inquest.
...
9 August.The sequel to the strange arrival of the derelict in the storm last night is almost more startling than the thing itself. It turns out that the schooner is a Russian from Varna, and is called the Demeter. She is almost entirely in ballast of silver sand, with only a small amount of cargoa number of great wooden boxes filled with mould. This cargo was consigned to a Whitby solicitor, Mr. S. F. Billington, of 7, The Crescent, who this morning went aboard and formally took possession of the goods consigned to him. The Russian consul, too, acting for the charter-party, took formal possession of the ship, and paid all harbour dues, etc. Nothing is talked about here to-day except the strange coincidence; the officials of the Board of Trade have been most exacting in seeing that every compliance has been made with existing regulations. As the matter is to be a nine days wonder, they are evidently determined that there shall be no cause of after complaint. A good deal of interest was abroad concerning the dog which landed when the ship struck, and more than a few of the members of the S. P. C. A., which is very strong in Whitby, have tried to befriend the animal. To the general disappointment, however, it was not to be found; it seems to have disappeared entirely from the town. It may be that it was frightened and made its way on to the moors, where it is still hiding in terror. There are some who look with dread on such a possibility, lest later on it should in itself become a danger, for it is evidently a fierce brute. Early this morning a large dog, a half-bred mastiff belonging to a coal merchant close to Tate Hill Pier, was found dead in the roadway opposite to its masters yard. It had been fighting, and manifestly had had a savage opponent, for its throat was torn away, and its belly was slit open as if with a savage claw.
...
The morning was quickening in the east when we emerged from the front. Dr. Van Helsing had taken the key of the hall-door from the bunch, and locked the door in orthodox fashion, putting the key into his pocket when he had done.
So far, he said, our night has been eminently successful. No harm has come to us such as I feared might be and yet we have ascertained how many boxes are missing. More than all do I rejoice that this, our firstand perhaps our most difficult and dangerousstep has been accomplished without the bringing thereinto our most sweet Madam Mina or troubling her waking or sleeping thoughts with sights and sounds and smells of horror which she might never forget. One lesson, too, we have learned, if it be allowable to argue a particulari: that the brute beasts which are to the Counts command are yet themselves not amenable to his spiritual power; for look, these rats that would come to his call, just as from his castle top he summon the wolves to your going and to that poor mothers cry, though they come to him, they run pell-mell from the so little dogs of my friend Arthur. ...
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/345/345-h/345-h.htm
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Beacool
(30,249 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)My thought exactly, although I pictured Frank Langella
Kelvin Mace
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(15,064 posts)PasadenaTrudy
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muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)alittlelark
(18,890 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Rats are intelligent animals. It's not their fault many humans find them repulsive.
kairos12
(12,862 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Belushi would have a ball with this one.
spanone
(135,841 posts)[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]
highly recommended
spin
(17,493 posts)hunter
(38,315 posts)... or the CEO of a very large multi-national corporation.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Jerry442
(1,265 posts)...as described by Ayn Rat in "Ratlas Shrugged."
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)angrychair
(8,699 posts)100 rats enter...one rat leaves.
100 rats enter...one rat leaves!
100 rats enter...one rat leaves!!
100 rats enter...one rat leaves!!!
mike_c
(36,281 posts)She's afloat, and appears to be in way better condition than I'd expect (unless that's an old pic from when she was in service).
pangaia
(24,324 posts)"Klansman trying to build an anti-Muslim X-ray cannon"
and a "Ghost Ship Full of Cannibal Rats"
on the same day!!
dembotoz
(16,806 posts)lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)I actually laughed out loud at a couple of them...
shireen
(8,333 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)[link:|
Beacool
(30,249 posts)nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)Beacool
(30,249 posts)nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)We certainly can't count on the M$M to do it!
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)"bagging" it for fumigation?
Sounds like a better idea than just letting it drift until it crashes..
It must be a helluva a ship to self-navigate for so damned long, and stay afloat...
Imagine how it must smell
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)Just throw in some rat poison or something.
I am going to thinking about those rats for a long time.
Put the poor things out of their misery.
2naSalit
(86,636 posts)an article about this ship a few months ago claiming it had already sunk... guess not!
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
flvegan
(64,408 posts)What?
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)...Britain had some sort of long range detection capability, and some sort of long-range craft that can accurately deploy destructive force to sink the vessel.
Somebody should work on that.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Leave the science fiction to Mr. Wells.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_in_World_War_II
krispos42
(49,445 posts)A destroyer squadron hunting the high seas for a hazard to navigation, a small passenger liner adrift in the North Atlantic shipping lanes. Plowing through the gray rolling waves, the swift, lean destroyers search for their prey. Lookouts on the bridge wings scanning the horizon with binoculars while salt spray periodically breaks over the bow.
Then, a dark spot on the horizon! The agile destroyer turns sharply and puts on speed, slicing through the water as black smoke streams out of the stacks. The dark spot moves aimlessly, making no effort to escape or attack. The captain orders the signalman to issue a challenge; an Aldis lamp flutters repeatedly as dits and dahs flow across the sullen sea.
With no response forthcoming, the captain orders action stations, and the destroyer echoes with alarms and footsteps as the crew prepares for battle.
Finally, the dark spot resolves into the derelict vessel. One of the destroyer's guns firing a warning shot; a spout of water appears a couple of hundred yards to the side of the derelict, and a distant "crack" of explosion is heard by the anti-aircraft crews.
With no reply forthcoming, no signs of life, and the potential for attack from a lurking German submarine, the captain orders "put her on the bottom smartly". The destroyer heals sharply and changes course by 45 degrees, bringing the rear turret into play.
At the captain's command, the three turrets opened up on the derelict. The battle-hardened crews sweating and swearing in their steel shells pumped round after round at the abandoned ship. Six long-barreled naval rifles pounded away, raising waterspouts all around the ship.
A 4.7" shell hits, sending debris flying in to the air. "B" turret has the range now, and a second shell detonates inside the stricken vessel seconds later. The flurry of shell spouts is tightening around the doomed ship. "X" turret finds the range, slamming a round through the forecastle that splits open the deck plates.
More shells pound home as all three turrets start scoring hits. The fifty-pound shells tear great chunks out of the superstructure and rip hull plates off. One of them kindles a fire from a ruptured fuel tank, and thick oily smoke joins the gray puffs of detonating high-explosives in obscuring the doomed vessel.
The empty ship is riding lower in the water now as cold, gray seawater gushed through ruptured seams and into the bilges. Rats and cockroaches, the only occupants of the liner, swarmed in the rising waters, desperately seeking safely in a hailstorm of shell fragments and steel splinters. Rodent corpses sloshed, killed by the shock waves of the 4.7-inch shells.
There was no safety to be found, though, as the structure of the ship, compromised by multiple explosive blasts, began to lose cohesion. Riding low in the water, she began to list, her upper works tilting towards the rapidly approaching destroyer. The gunnery crews continued to fire as fast as possible, inter-turret rivalry pushing each crew to challenge the nominal firing rate of 10 rounds per minute, per gun.
Finally, though, the captain ordered his crews to cease fire, and only a couple of minutes later the gunfire-ravaged wreck slid under the waves a final time. The destroyer's captain secured the ship from action stations, the quartermaster marked the location in the log, and the turret crews, hot, sweaty, and partially deaf, began the job of cleaning up the spent shell casings and swabbing out the naval rifles.
The destroyer swept past the small oil slick and debris field that, for a few hours, would be the last marker of the lost sea. Turning north-east, the sleek warship resumed combat patrol.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Larkspur
(12,804 posts)cannibal rats vs Lake Placid Crocs! Who'd win?
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)no one has actually seen the ship, nor can anyone confirm that it is still afloat?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)underpants
(182,823 posts)Hate Zombie rats
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)...to be dressed in those damn hockey outfits? That was the last straw.
O, Canada--now it's ON!
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Why can't they drain it of fuel on turn it into an artificial reef?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Oops!
R.I.P. Scotland.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)slow news day.
If weather permits, hook a new tow to it and haul it to be scrapped.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)and the Skipper.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)It sounds like Morrisey's next song.