Poo* advocates let patient die

[Berlum]

* Poo = scientific materialists

Far more dangerous and deadly than the alternative therapies often denigrated as "woo", poo has claimed yet another victim. The news brings us today yet another in the hundreds upon of tales of patients killed by Poo - unmitigated & unredeemed Scientific Materialism.

A New York man died in the early hours of Jan. 20 after waiting more than eight hours for medical assistance at St. Barnabas Hospital in the Bronx, NY.

"He was found stiff blue and cold. He was there for a while," said a hospital worker speaking anonymously to WABC. When questioned by the local news station's reporter, Jim Hoffer, how a patient could be ignored for such a length of time at a major New York City hospital, the worker revealed that no policy exists "to check the waiting room to see if people waiting to be seen are still there or still alive."

http://www.ibtimes.com/who-john-verrier-ny-man-dies-after-8-hour-wait-emergency-room-1548019

[Turbineguy]

1. At the Staten Island Ferry terminal

at the south end of Manhattan the Police regularly check up on the homeless sitting in the waiting area to keep warm.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Really? scientific materialism advocates making people wait 8 hours for er care?

That is some serious bullshit you have there.

[backscatter712]

74. You beat me to it!

There is serious logic fail in the OP!

[Liberal Veteran]

3. Difference being, if he had been seen by a doctor, he'd probably be alive.

If if he went to a homeopath, he'd still be dead.

[SidDithers]

5. Thread win...nt

Sid

[Chorophyll]

21. +100

You can blame understaffed and under-funded hospitals for this death, not science.

[hunter]

29. Yep.

Worse, everyone should have a safe place to be simply because they are human.

Our broken society doesn't do that. Too much is "pay to play" or die.

[sakabatou]

43. Agreed

[REP]

36. Now now. If he'd been waiting in a crystal pyramid, he'd be fine

[baldguy]

37. +1000

[LeftyMom]

4. That guy died waiting for real medicine. Just like a lot of people getting quack treatments do.

That proven treatments aren't administered as well as they could be is not an argument for "treating" people with snake oil and horseshit.

[cyberswede]

6. What?

It seems more like underfunding & understaffing killed that patient.

[etherealtruth]

7. Is your post supposed to make any sense at all?

The man's death in the Bronx is a horrific tragedy ... it needs to be investigated thoroughly ... but WTF does that have to do with belief in science and the scientific method?

[SidDithers]

8. It's a weak-assed response to this thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024393939



Sid

[etherealtruth]

9. Pehaps the poster will reconsider the OP

... realizing how foolish it makes him/her look

I can't believe anyone would connect obviously egregious human error to "the horrors of the belief of science and the scientific process"

[zappaman]

10. Congrats on the lamest OP of the year!

It's still early though and I expect plenty of competition, but well done!

[GeorgeGist]

11. OK, I'll bite ...

what would woodo?

[Warren DeMontague]

12. Speaking of "Poo"

[Warren DeMontague]

13. I don't get it. If he had taken a tincture of bat shit diluted 10,000X times in water, he'd still be

alive?

[MattBaggins]

34. Hell no that wouldn't be even remotely potent enough

50K at least and succinate at least 14 times.

That and some purple quartz crystal would have done it.

[NutmegYankee]

14. It's not too often you run across an OP that makes you do the ...

[Egnever]

59. Ack what happened to Picard's arm?

Must be an alien infection

[Dr. Strange]

15. Not bad...

it's crazy, but it's not "Moon Bombing" crazy.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. i literally LOL'd

[LadyHawkAZ]

23. Survey says...

High marks for effort, but weak on delivery.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. and an homeopath would have been able to save him?

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This conflation of two separate issues gives me a greater understanding as to why you believe in woo

[MattBaggins]

31. Greatest fail thread in all of DU history

[uppityperson]

19. "poo" is getting no medical help for a health problem? What?

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Triple facepalm

[etherealtruth]

22. These posts (the OP) are really embarrassing

[Salviati]

27. Seconded

[Berlum]

24. Poo far more dangerous than Woo

Deal with it. It's a scientific fact. Hate on woo all you want. And defend Poo till the cows come home. It changes nothing, scientifically or otherwise. You poo fanciers are living a delusion. Poo is far more dangerous to your health. Get a grip.

The top five causes of death in the United States, in order, are tobacco, alcohol, medical malpractice, traffic and firearms. According to JAMA, doctors kill more people than auto accidents and guns. I don't see "woo" in that list.

There are 700,000 physicians in the United States.

There are 120,000 accidental deaths in the United States caused by physicians every year, and the accidental death percentage per physician is 17.1%.

Ugly, but true about poo.

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/7782/are-more-people-accidentally-killed-by-doctors-than-accidentally-killed-by-guns

[Scootaloo]

28. "It's a scientific fact" - You must be a fan of 90's pop!

[bobclark86]

75. Seriously considering alerting...

for spreading this dumbing-down of the English language.

Now, watch this 200 times...

But doctors are soo deadly. They kill on purpose all the time.

[MattBaggins]

30. Speaking of Poo, Your "facts" and "statistics" are pure made up bullshit

That 17% number is pure hogwash.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Yup, right

I guess this is more to the point, doncha think, this is just preventable disease outbreaks due to lack of vaccines?

Now where did I leave my triple face palm?

Nah, let's go all the way

[Scootaloo]

51. Some things call for the meta facepalm, actually

[etherealtruth]

33. Bless your heart!

[SomethingFishy]

60. Well I'd rather be hit by flinging woo than flinging poo...

hehe...

Why is it Poo and Woo have to be mutually exclusive? Why can't we have both Woo and Poo. I for one live for Woo and Poo, I know if it weren't for Woo and Poo DU would have one less thing to make us look like idiots. I'm sure that with stupid things like income inequality, perpetual war, out of control Homeland Security, unemployment, Drone Strikes, cuts to social services and an entire city with no fucking water, the most important thing, is to make sure that Liberals are fighting amongst themselves about Woo and Poo.

[840high]

61. ...

[uppityperson]

63. Did you notice that your example did not see a doctor, was not killed by a doctor?

[NutmegYankee]

68. Ooo Yeah - The double down!

ENCORE ENCORE!

[sakabatou]

69. Killed more than guns...

You're missing the point when it comes to health safety and regulations.

[Solly Mack]

25. Speaking of poo.

[MattBaggins]

26. You had to reach deep into your colon for this load of crap.

Are we still claquers?

[Aerows]

35. Baby

Throw it out with the bathwater.

[kcr]

38. Trying to make "poo" happen on DU

Doesn't look like it's going well. But, good luck!

[JTFrog]

39. Um, what?

[REP]

40. I've obtained X-rays of this post:

The diagnosis is obvious: painfully full of shit.

[SidDithers]

41. Hahahaha...

So, is this how you were hoping this thread would turn out?



Sid

[MineralMan]

42. Teh Fail Is Strong in This One.

We are not the fools you were looking for.

[Adrahil]

44. Is thread satire?

I don't get it....

[SidDithers]

47. No, it isn't...

the OP is one of the strongest proponents of woo at DU. They feel the story in their opening post is a condemnation of science and modern medicine.

Ask him about chemtrails sometime.

Sid

[Adrahil]

50. Oh..... wow..... thanks for the info! nt

[sakabatou]

45. Lemme guess, some homeopathic remedy would've helped him?

He died because he didn't get checked by a doctor, not due to medicine.

[REP]

46. Be fair: with enough homeopathy, he'd be a well-hydrated corpse.

[sakabatou]

49. XD

[MineralMan]

48. So you wake up at midnight with pain in your

lower right abdominal area. You're vomiting and can't stand up straight. You take your temperature because you're feeling hot. It reads 101.8 degrees. What do you do? Who do you call? Your naturopath? I hope not. You need to go to the ER. They'll remove your inflamed appendix, give you antibiotics, and send you home by suppertime.

Funny how people act when they're actually acutely ill.

[JustAnotherGen]

55. +1000

[840high]

62. After an 8 hr. wait.

[REP]

71. Acute abdomen is triaged as emergent

In other words: someone presenting with symptoms of acute appendicitis go to the head of the line, although "watchful waiting" is appropriate for some patients.

[MineralMan]

80. No. You'll move to the front of the line

if you give your symptoms. In any case, the ER will know what to do. The naturopath will likely just shrug and give you some senna tablets, which is exactly the wrong thing to do.

[X_Digger]

52. Well, I do smell some bullshit, but it's not from a guy in the ER.

It has something to do with trying to make unmitigated snake-oil, water has memory, needles in random spots are good fer ya quackery seem equivalent to actual medicine.

[NuclearDem]

53. Well, points for not being Fukuwoo or radiowoo.

[Paulie]

54. In before the self delete.

Want to find this embarrassment of an OP at a future date.

[Warpy]

56. Science had nothing to do with it

Extremely short staffing did.

I can tell you it's pure hell to have your license on the line every day you go into work because you can't be ten different places at once.

Had the man received timely assessment and treatment

by a health professional who was not rushed because s/he was wearing ten hats at once, he would still be alive today.

It's very typical to blame established medical treatment for this death when the non delivery of such treatment is what caused it. Whoever wrote this horseshit should have gone after hospital management, not standard health care as a whole.

In other words, it's a monumentally stupid article.

[Mosby]

57. this is horrible

No one in this day and age should die from dirty hair.

Wtf?

[Logical]

58. Post and run away. Classic! n-t

[uppityperson]

64. He came back, post 24, link here....

Missing the fact that this person did not see a doctor, was not killed by a doctor.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4397379

[Godhumor]

70. congrats, you've made the pantheon of DU OP fails

Just add this one to the moon bombing and the smiling North Koreans.

[neverforget]

72. Science didn't kill him. Inaction by the hospital did.

Logic fail.

[NuclearDem]

73. PROTIP: If you want to be taken seriously,

try to avoid using words that would make third graders giggle.

[Berlum]

76. Woo Punching Found to be cool; Poo Punching judged abhorrent

OK, folks have had a jolly good time with this week's regularly scheduled session of Woo Punching, apparently a subdivision of Hippie Punching. Here's how it works. An OP cites an odd example of an alternative therapy approach that resulted in disaster, and everyone piles on to denigrate, disparage and condemn all alternative therapies as "Woo" -- the Devil's Own Treacherous Doing. It's a regular Inquisition, complete with rhetorical torches and pitchforks.

But let someone (moi) cite an odd example of Scientific Materialist Medicine gone awry -- as happens every day - and then add an obviously preposterously sweeping judgment for the sake of argumentantive contrast, and it sparks a Twisted Panties Party on an epic scale.

Woo (yin) punching remains popular; poo (yang) punching is verboten. Where else might one see this pattern playing out in the world?

[NuclearDem]

81. And the triple down.

You clearly have summitted and planted your flag on Mt. K-Poo.

[SidDithers]

82. *Smirk*...

This thread ranks right up there with Crazy Ron Paul supporters spraying vinegar at chemtrails:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002128567


One of my all-time favourite DU threads - for obvious reasons.

Sid

[Captain Stern]

77. How silly this is.

The only thing that you might have accomplished here is earning yourself the nickname of "the Poo guy".

[stevenleser]

78. Fortunately, the modern vernacular contains a phrase up to the task of describing this OP

Epic Fail

[SidDithers]

83. Yup. Goes way beyond a normal Fail...

Sid

[hatrack]

79. Huh?

What a stupid post.