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Stuart G

(38,653 posts)
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:32 AM Mar 2014

Is it our business, or their business? An example of our business....

In 1962 there was a crisis in Cuba. About Russian missiles that were pointed in our direction. 90 miles away. So, I recall talking to someone years later who was on a Navy ship at the time, and he said it was clear we were headed for war. We were mobilizing and it was clear to everyone on the ship, that that was the case. So, Nikita Khrushchev, the Russian leader backed down. Why? Cuba, even though a Russian friend, was not their business. 90 miles from us, missiles pointed at us, that is our business. Canada, Mexico, Puerto Rico..our business.. So, he backed down.

Ukraine, Crimea, not our business. It is Russian business. Anyone who looks at a map, or reads the history of the area, knows whose business it is. Was Viet Nam our business? or.. Iraq? Crimea ain't our business. Go ahead and argue it. But it ain't our business.

Those for war, and there are many...well, you go, not the young men and woman who have recently gone. You go, suit up, get your guns and armor on..go fight in a war...and have fun...

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Is it our business, or their business? An example of our business.... (Original Post) Stuart G Mar 2014 OP
But -- but. The dominoes. Downwinder Mar 2014 #1
Fuck the ...dominoes.. Stuart G Mar 2014 #2
I said that 50 years ago and won a trip to Da Nang. Downwinder Mar 2014 #5
Well, ya know, a bit more complicated than that. malthaussen Mar 2014 #3
Why do you assume war is the only option? Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #4
One thing people haven't been factoring in is our treaty with Ukraine that we were all pleased about blm Mar 2014 #6
You don't have to be pro-war Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #7
Perhaps this "responsive tone" can be our business, Stuart G Mar 2014 #9
I also think sanctions, asset freezes, and jacking over their command/control with cyber techniques Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #12
...but it helps. Iggo Mar 2014 #13
More examples of our business woo me with science Mar 2014 #8
Thank You wo me with science... Stuart G Mar 2014 #10
Thank you for the OP. woo me with science Mar 2014 #11

Stuart G

(38,653 posts)
2. Fuck the ...dominoes..
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:39 AM
Mar 2014

Johnson thought there were ..dominoes...so many dead.
....fuck the so called dominoes...Let them shoot it out, it ain't our business.

malthaussen

(17,396 posts)
3. Well, ya know, a bit more complicated than that.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:44 AM
Mar 2014

We had missile bases surrounding the USSR in several satellite nations. The Soviets were particularly annoyed about the ones in Turkey, which shared a direct border with the USSR. So the movement to Cuba was a move to counter the Turkey bases in typical MAD tit-for-tat fashion.

What is left out of the "Krushchev backed down" narrative is that Kennedy secretly negotiated a deal to pull our missiles (not all our bases, just the missiles) out of Turkey, which was the point of the exercise from Nikita's side. But it had to be secret, or JFK would get hit with more "soft on Communism" attacks. Kruschev got to brag to his mates that he won the confrontation, and so did Kennedy. Meanwhile, nothing much changed.

-- Mal

blm

(113,393 posts)
6. One thing people haven't been factoring in is our treaty with Ukraine that we were all pleased about
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:18 PM
Mar 2014

when it happened. When we were rounding up former USSR's nuclear weapons for disposal, Ukraine turned theirs over to us on the condition that should they be targeted by outside forces (Russia) the US would come to their defense. We are trying to work out a diplomatic solution to avoid any use of force as part of that promised defense - why are some of you so intent on trying to make those efforts appear wrong?

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
7. You don't have to be pro-war
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:34 PM
Mar 2014

And still feel it's "our business"

Aggression over a democratic country is our business. Not solely ours, but we do set the responsive tone (most of the time).

Stuart G

(38,653 posts)
9. Perhaps this "responsive tone" can be our business,
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:26 PM
Mar 2014

As long as we don't send troops, or arms, or whatever starts a war..

Blustering and talk is our business..
Negotiation is our business.
Unless we are directly threatened, with force, or horrific events,
then war is not our business.

Perhaps.., just perhaps, there are exceptions for war.... maybe

But the Ukraine, and Crimea are not them..

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
12. I also think sanctions, asset freezes, and jacking over their command/control with cyber techniques
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:57 PM
Mar 2014

is fine as well.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
8. More examples of our business
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:17 PM
Mar 2014







Kerry bearing gifts: $1 Billion for Ukraine
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024604576

White House 2015 budget=$26.4 billion in extra funding for Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024602860

Lawmakers want to see the ‘black budget’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251353688

White House: SS cuts remain on the table
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024603578

Obama's TPP will lower wages for *90 percent* of American workers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805











Stuart G

(38,653 posts)
10. Thank You wo me with science...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:27 PM
Mar 2014

What you have posted above, is what I think we can do with our "war" money

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