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Why did FDR set the first Federal Minimum Wage at only $0.25 per hour?... (Original Post) SidDithers Mar 2014 OP
My grandmother told me in those days they could get a whole pitcher of beer for 25 cents. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #1
Can't even get a pint for $4.00 these days... SidDithers Mar 2014 #2
Great Depression was deflationary--cash was king. ErikJ Mar 2014 #3
Those 'Calculators' Are Pretty Much Useless, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #4
My background is science, not economics... SidDithers Mar 2014 #5
Very hard to do Omaha Steve Mar 2014 #13
Money is Very Hard To Measure Over Time, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #18
Give me give bees for a quarter, you'd say... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #20
Well... I Guess Like The ACA, Instead Of Single Payer... He Thought Introducing The Idea... WillyT Mar 2014 #6
My Mat. Grand Mom was a young woman during the Great Depression. A Dime went a long bluestate10 Mar 2014 #7
In 1939, the average WPA pay for unskilled labor was about $52.50 FrodosPet Mar 2014 #8
Must have been a different time... SidDithers Mar 2014 #9
It actually probably wasn't that bad... Pholus Mar 2014 #10
Thanks... SidDithers Mar 2014 #11
Try this website - it will give you a much more accurate idea enlightenment Mar 2014 #12
If you use an increase above inflation of 1.2%/year, due to productivity gains muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #14
My dad worked for the CCC then, and the person who handed out the checks acted shraby Mar 2014 #15
Brother, Can You Spare A Dime? William769 Mar 2014 #16
Yeah, but Ten Cents a Dance frazzled Mar 2014 #19
I could live much cheaper madville Mar 2014 #17
Here's an actual economics answer to your question functioning_cog Mar 2014 #21
 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
3. Great Depression was deflationary--cash was king.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:10 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Thu Mar 13, 2014, 12:01 AM - Edit history (1)

meaning that you could buy a lot for a little money. Deflationaary depressions cause people to lose jobs because nobody has the $ to buy anything which causes more jobs to be lost. 25% offical unemployment by 1932. But if you had lots of cash saved (And/or a job) you were lucky.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
5. My background is science, not economics...
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:14 PM
Mar 2014


Is there a decent way to compare standards of living from different decades?

I'm not being intentionally obtuse here. I really don't have a great understanding of inflationary effects.

Cheers
Sid

Omaha Steve

(99,628 posts)
13. Very hard to do
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:38 PM
Mar 2014

NO TV, fridge (my dad was an ice man for awhile), dishwasher, air conditioning, etc. Those things run up today's light bills.

Many didn't have hot water or a phone. You get the idea.

In the late 50's and early 60's my mom had an old fashioned wringer clothes washing machine. She had to go outside in all kinds of weather to get to the basement door on the side of the house.

OS

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
18. Money is Very Hard To Measure Over Time, Sir
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:07 PM
Mar 2014

It is very hard to determine what constitutes 'equal value' over time. It is not even obvious what the criterion for saying something is equal should be. One could say, for example, that the price of a pound of steak being a quarter in 1940, and being five dollars in 2010, would mean a quarter then would buy what a five dollar bill does nowadays, and so money was worth twenty times as much back then, since that is what it takes to get about the same item. But there is also the question of what proportion of available goods a given sum would buy in one time, and what it can buy in another. The U.S. economy ran to about 100 billions in 1940, and to about thirteen trillions in 2010: thus there was more than a hundred times as much stuff to buy, and so the proportion of available goods and services any dollar might obtain in 2010 would be less than that a penny could obtain in 1940. So one could say just as accurately that a dollar nowadays is not worth what a penny was then, and money was worth a hundred times and more then than it is today.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
20. Give me give bees for a quarter, you'd say...
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:58 PM
Mar 2014

I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time...

This is the second time in 24 hours on DU when I've had the opportunity to reference Abe Simpson. Life is good.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
6. Well... I Guess Like The ACA, Instead Of Single Payer... He Thought Introducing The Idea...
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:14 PM
Mar 2014
Of A Minimum Wage, Was More Important, Intitially, Than A Livable Wage.

Yet you have to remember...

Excerpt from President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union:[2]

"It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.
We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.”[3] People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.


In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.

For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.


Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights


bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
7. My Mat. Grand Mom was a young woman during the Great Depression. A Dime went a long
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:17 PM
Mar 2014

way toward buying basic foodstuffs back then.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
9. Must have been a different time...
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:21 PM
Mar 2014

I originally thought the $52.50 might have been a weekly wage, but your link makes it clear that was monthly.

Things really have changed.

Thanks for the link,
Sid

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
10. It actually probably wasn't that bad...
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:22 PM
Mar 2014

Hard to read, but a PFC in 1940 made $36/month which would be less than $0.25/hour.



People lived differently. Meals were more communal and basic. People pooled resources. There was less of everything.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,315 posts)
14. If you use an increase above inflation of 1.2%/year, due to productivity gains
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:05 PM
Mar 2014

(or GDP/capita growth, however you want to put it), that would get you, after 76 years, an increase of about 2.5 times - up to about $10/hour. In a developed country, it's reasonable for wages to rise above inflation in the long term, because the economy grows too.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
15. My dad worked for the CCC then, and the person who handed out the checks acted
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:07 PM
Mar 2014

like it was coming out of their own pocket. His last check he told them keep it! He wouldn't listen to that shit anymore. He never did get his last check.

madville

(7,410 posts)
17. I could live much cheaper
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:36 PM
Mar 2014

If I didn't have a cell phone, DSL internet, car insurance, cable tv, credit cards, antiperspirant deodorant, dental insurance, health insurance, air conditioning, etc, etc. Many people back then survived with shelter, food, and clothing, just the basic necessities.

I make $23.52 an hour and it's paycheck to paycheck these days. By the time I pay income taxes, pension contribution, social security, Medicare, health insurance, and dental insurance, etc I take home exactly half of that. It's pretty depressing and I live pretty cheap, helping my son with school and car insurance makes it very tight.

 

functioning_cog

(294 posts)
21. Here's an actual economics answer to your question
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 12:17 AM
Mar 2014
http://catalog.flatworldknowledge.com/bookhub/reader/2992?e=coopermicro-ch10_s01

This discusses the calculation of real wages from nominal wages using CPI. It also describes market equilibrium price and what would happen to unemployment if the minimum wage was set very high.

Roosevelt wanted to set a floor on wages but not drive hundreds of thousands back into the ranks of unemployed.

Notice how in my second link unemployment continued to slowly go down but was still in the double digits through all of the 30's.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104719.html

By 1942, it went under 5% and real minimum wage went up sharply. By 1944, US min wage was under 2%. The postwar economy supported continually rising wages (including min wage) while maintaining full employment.

Real minimum wage reached peak in 1960's and has declined since then.

Your question also applies to why Obama and Dems did not push minimum wage increase in the depths of the recession. It would have had an opposite effect to what the other initiatives were doing in attempting to slow the shedding of jobs in the U.S.
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