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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:15 PM Mar 2014

Voracious Worm Evolves to Eat Biotech Corn Engineered to Kill It

One of agricultural biotechnology’s great success stories may become a cautionary tale of how short-sighted mismanagement can squander the benefits of genetic modification.

After years of predicting it would happen — and after years of having their suggestions largely ignored by companies, farmers and regulators — scientists have documented the rapid evolution of corn rootworms that are resistant to Bt corn.

Until Bt corn was genetically altered to be poisonous to the pests, rootworms used to cause billions of dollars in damage to U.S. crops. Named for the pesticidal toxin-producing Bacillus thuringiensis gene it contains, Bt corn now accounts for three-quarters of the U.S. corn crop. The vulnerability of this corn could be disastrous for farmers and the environment.

“Unless management practices change, it’s only going to get worse,” said Aaron Gassmann, an Iowa State University entomologist and co-author of a March 17 Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences study describing rootworm resistance. “There needs to be a fundamental change in how the technology is used.”

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/03/rootworm-resistance-bt-corn/

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Voracious Worm Evolves to Eat Biotech Corn Engineered to Kill It (Original Post) The Straight Story Mar 2014 OP
What will the corporate-spawned biotech apologists say now? villager Mar 2014 #1
No one called this a woo predicition MattBaggins Mar 2014 #4
Oh it would've been, had the prediction been posted here a couple years back villager Mar 2014 #7
Nonsense MattBaggins Mar 2014 #17
I agree, it makes no sense villager Mar 2014 #21
Apparently, to the woo purveyors, evolution isn't science...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #34
It's not a woo prediction, CFLDem Mar 2014 #5
...although those whose insights are routinely denigrated as "woo" by Poo* Pimps... Berlum Mar 2014 #15
Yeah, it was pretty obvious. But I guess it never fit the talking points. villager Mar 2014 #22
Evolved pesicide resistance is not woo mathematic Mar 2014 #6
Actually, your mathematics is completely backward on this villager Mar 2014 #9
This isn't a glitch...it IS a Marketing Feature! bvar22 Mar 2014 #12
How long 'til they outlaw your little patch of "woo," Bvar, for *non-compliance* villager Mar 2014 #13
I think our little patch is safe for now, bvar22 Mar 2014 #28
I guess you're only a threat if you think the "free market" should offer non-GMO choices! villager Mar 2014 #29
Well, I DID vote for the guy who promised to label food with GMO warnings in 2008. bvar22 Mar 2014 #30
Imagine if someone like that actually held the office of the Presidency! villager Mar 2014 #31
FFS, Science believes in things evolving. Please link to a post where someone said insects...... Logical Mar 2014 #20
Not very Logical villager Mar 2014 #23
Waiting for your links. nt Logical Mar 2014 #25
Link is at the OP villager Mar 2014 #26
... SidDithers Mar 2014 #36
... villager Mar 2014 #40
DUNE! Are_grits_groceries Mar 2014 #2
THIS has always been the real problem with GMO Bt expression.... mike_c Mar 2014 #3
I wish organic farmers would put together a class action lawsuit or something- because bettyellen Mar 2014 #10
They did and the Roberts Court, Inc. (R) kicked it to the curb Berlum Mar 2014 #18
Not for lack of trying... Agony Mar 2014 #19
It's a good point. Similarly, antibiotics are not evil, however their overuse causes resistance and Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #35
exactly.... mike_c Mar 2014 #38
how to grow a voracious worm Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #8
Interesting. It's almost like GMO companies don't know what DirkGently Mar 2014 #11
Avoid all GMO mutant OCCULT crapola foodlike product + Corporate Poo* Berlum Mar 2014 #14
Someday you will say something that makes sense MattBaggins Mar 2014 #27
Nope. Not gonna happen...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #39
That was . . . . interesting . . . . hatrack Mar 2014 #43
HelicalEagle MattBaggins Mar 2014 #44
Reminds me of the book Damnation Alley by Zelazny. idendoit Mar 2014 #16
History Shows Again And Again... WillyT Mar 2014 #24
I have a picture of the worm! kwassa Mar 2014 #32
"cautionary tale ... short-sighted mismanagement can squander the benefits of genetic modification" Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #33
One must wonder if something else may be going on as well..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #37
LOL-- there is no need for anyone to "tamper with the genes of the rootworm..." mike_c Mar 2014 #41
Okay, but it's the timescale that has me asking questions. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #42
K&R DeSwiss Mar 2014 #45
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. What will the corporate-spawned biotech apologists say now?
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:23 PM
Mar 2014

Especially since such a "woo" prediction is coming to pass?

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
7. Oh it would've been, had the prediction been posted here a couple years back
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:34 PM
Mar 2014

Simply because it didn't fit the "approved" corporate science of the moment

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
21. I agree, it makes no sense
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:21 PM
Mar 2014

But that's how it is with those angrily declaiming only within narrowly-approved talking points

They're terrified of anything outside their already set precepts

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
5. It's not a woo prediction,
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:31 PM
Mar 2014

it's a scientific prediction called evolution, and it will be properly responded to with the appropriate bioengineering solution.

Science FTW!

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
15. ...although those whose insights are routinely denigrated as "woo" by Poo* Pimps...
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:06 PM
Mar 2014

...certainly saw this CORPORATE CLUSTERF*CK coming a long time ago.

*Poo = Scientific Materialism, not science.


mathematic

(1,439 posts)
6. Evolved pesicide resistance is not woo
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:31 PM
Mar 2014

You're claiming it is woo in order to discredit the woo label in general.

Evolution, pests, and pesticides fall well under the umbrella of agriculture science, not woo.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
9. Actually, your mathematics is completely backward on this
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:36 PM
Mar 2014

What I'm saying is that lot of science that runs counter to a specific corporate agenda is sneeringly called "woo" in order to discredit it, and make it seem "less than" whatever science the corporadoes have deemed acceptable to their own bottom-line agenda

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
12. This isn't a glitch...it IS a Marketing Feature!
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:45 PM
Mar 2014

NOW, we will all need the New & Improved GM Corn next year to deal with the new & improved pest!!!!
THAT is how GM works!

Fringe benefit if we can produce a more virulent Corn Pest that absolutely destroys all natural Corn Crops.
Talk about Cornering the Market!!!
Its the FREE MARKET!
Better get you some!

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
13. How long 'til they outlaw your little patch of "woo," Bvar, for *non-compliance*
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:47 PM
Mar 2014
with 'emergency' growing regulations...

Passed by them, of course, in response to the very bio-crisis they created (and which their apologists abetted).

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
28. I think our little patch is safe for now,
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 08:07 PM
Mar 2014

....because we pose absolutely NO financial threat to the BIG MONEY Players.
They don't care about us.
They DO care about the small scale farmer who can market his produce as GMO free,
and have done a good job a stamping him out.

Obama selects former Monsanto lobbyist to be his TPP chief agriculture negotiator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662210

Obama appoints Tom Mr Monsanto Vilsack to head the USDA
http://www.organicconsumers.org/usda_watch.cfm

Obama appoints Monsanto Lawyer & Lobbyist to head FDA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/youre-appointing-who-plea_b_243810.html


At our age,
and with our few resources,
we just want to be left alone,
but you are free to drop in for NON-GMO Green Beans and NON-GMO Corn Bread
whenever you are in the neighborhood!








 

villager

(26,001 posts)
29. I guess you're only a threat if you think the "free market" should offer non-GMO choices!
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 08:11 PM
Mar 2014

Keep those "invisible hands" to yourself!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
30. Well, I DID vote for the guy who promised to label food with GMO warnings in 2008.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 08:44 PM
Mar 2014

A guy like that could be a threat if he ever got elected President.


What ever happened to that guy?
A guy like THAT would be a big threat to Monsanto.
I'll bet he had Monsanto shaking in their boots.
Imagine if HE had WON the election!


Obama selects former Monsanto lobbyist to be his TPP chief agriculture negotiator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662210

Obama appoints Tom Mr Monsanto Vilsack to head the USDA
http://www.organicconsumers.org/usda_watch.cfm

Obama appoints Monsanto Lawyer & Lobbyist to head FDA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/youre-appointing-who-plea_b_243810.html




 

villager

(26,001 posts)
31. Imagine if someone like that actually held the office of the Presidency!
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 08:52 PM
Mar 2014

well, I "hope" it happens... someday!

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
20. FFS, Science believes in things evolving. Please link to a post where someone said insects......
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:16 PM
Mar 2014

adapting is Woo.

Nice lame attempt to discredit real science.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
23. Not very Logical
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:23 PM
Mar 2014

But often real science is at odds with corporate talking points, which many of its promulgaters insist is the only "real science"

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
26. Link is at the OP
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:49 PM
Mar 2014

Glad you're on board with "There needs to be a fundamental change in how the technology is used.”

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
3. THIS has always been the real problem with GMO Bt expression....
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:24 PM
Mar 2014

It fosters resistance to the best organic means of pest population control ever. Bt is a godsend for organic farming. Bt resistant pest insects are a nightmare.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
10. I wish organic farmers would put together a class action lawsuit or something- because
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:36 PM
Mar 2014

monsanto is fucking up their shit.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
19. Not for lack of trying...
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:13 PM
Mar 2014

this is not the Bt issue and unfortunately the court did not see it their way... but they tried to push back Monsanto.

"The eighty-three family farmers, small and family owned seed businesses, and agricultural organizations challenging Monsanto's patents on genetically modified seed filed papers in federal court today defending their right to seek legal protection from the threat of being sued by Monsanto for patent infringement should they ever become contaminated by Monsanto's genetically modified seed. "

https://www.woodprairie.com/wpf_news

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
35. It's a good point. Similarly, antibiotics are not evil, however their overuse causes resistance and
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:11 PM
Mar 2014

problems.

It's not the technology itself, IMHO, it's the way it is used.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
14. Avoid all GMO mutant OCCULT crapola foodlike product + Corporate Poo*
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:02 PM
Mar 2014

"Mutant corn worms are the least of the problems that will unfold with GMO, Inc. and its occult infestation of the land and the food chain." -

- The Profesee of Good Old Willie Woo



* Not science, but Scientific Materialism, Inc.

 

idendoit

(505 posts)
16. Reminds me of the book Damnation Alley by Zelazny.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:06 PM
Mar 2014

Post biotech apocalypse. The only life left on the surface is mutant cockroaches. They consume just about anything but metal. This is starting to sound plausible.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
33. "cautionary tale ... short-sighted mismanagement can squander the benefits of genetic modification"
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:08 PM
Mar 2014

Benefits? Benefits?

BLASPHEMY!

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
37. One must wonder if something else may be going on as well.....
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:13 PM
Mar 2014

Yeah, I'm sorry, but I can't trust the MSM to give us the whole story on a lot of these things these days.

I hate to seem like I'm scaring people, but there is, unfortunately, a possibility that some careless, or perhaps even malevolent(I'd hope that it was the former, though!), entity may very well have been intentionally tampering with the genes of the rootworms as well.....wouldn't rule it out, at least, as it's extremely unlikely that something like this would happen so soon.

(Although it can be admitted that stranger things have happened, so it really could just be a truly strange fluke of a coincidental roll of the evolutionary dice.)

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
41. LOL-- there is no need for anyone to "tamper with the genes of the rootworm..."
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:20 PM
Mar 2014

...to make it a more efficient herbivore or to assist with developing resistance. Herbivorous insects have a number of physiological mechanisms for developing rapid resistance to environmental challenges-- that's their legacy from hundreds of millions of years of coevolution with plants and their defense chemistry. Mixed function oxidases, for a start. Well, after short generation times, rapid reproduction, high reproductive output, and lots of genetic variation. Hardly anything exceeds the ability of herbivorous insects for rapidly prototyping new, resistant phenotypes.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
42. Okay, but it's the timescale that has me asking questions.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:25 PM
Mar 2014

You may be right.....it may just be a fluke of nature that it happened so fast and not necessarily because of some foolhardy wannabe genius or whatever.

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