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[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

1. I'll start

Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe

[Catherina]

2. (Iraq as in post 1), Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan

Bombed by proxy will bring up more countries like Syria

[Demo_Chris]

3. Why 2001? We didn't start then.

[brooklynboy49]

5. Not that this was the start, either

It was ok for us to drop "the bomb" (twice), but we're up in arms (no pun intended) about the prospects of a nuclear N. Korea or Iran.

That's solely for background purposes, it is not my intention to start a debate about whether we should have dropped the bomb(s) or whether we should or shouldn't be up in arms about N. Korea or Iran going nuclear.

My purpose is to make mention of our seemingly almost daily use of drones. I don't hear any clamor on the right about our use of drones atm because we're pretty much the only ones using them. But you can bet your bottom dollar that 20 years from now we'll be hearing from the Sean Hannitys of the world about how horrific drones are and that they must be kept out of the hands of [insert our enemy du jour here] at all costs because of the threat they pose to the "free world" (whatever that means).

[nationalize the fed]

10. From 1999 (a prophet):

Backing up globalization with military might
http://www.globalissues.org/article/448/backing-up-globalization-with-military-might

...McDonald's Needs McDonnell Douglas to Flourish

"For globalism to work, America can't be afraid to act like the almighty superpower that it is....The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist-McDonald's cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer of the F-15...

There could not be a better description of how the U.S. armed forces are seen as the military arm of the globalizing transnational corporations (TNCs)....

Corporations will stop at nothing

To achieve maximum profits these transnationals will stop at nothing. After all, they are non-human institutions that must expand through ever-greater profits, or go out of business. In so doing they have shown willingness to violate human rights-particularly workers' rights—to throw millions out of work, eliminate unions, use sweat-shops and slave labor, destroy the environment, destabilize governments, install or bolster tyrants who oppress, repress, torture and kill with impunity.

Is it surprising, then, that wars and military intervention, including attacks on civilians, are waged on behalf of corporations? It has been an integral part of the history of imperialist powers. Why should we believe it is any different today? Yugoslavia is but the most recent victim of this process...

[HubertHeaver]

6. Actual, or just the ones we admit to?

[DeSwiss]

7. ''Is this mike on!?!?!''

Yeah, this subject is about as welcome as a skunk at a outdoor wedding. Ya see, this kinda talk diminishes all that war-yada-yada coming from the great leader(s) of democracy.

In answer to your query, I've done copious amounts of research, I've worked night and day scouring the web in search of All. The. Facts. In the end the number was staggering:

[center][font size=8]WE KILLED A SHITLOAD[/font][/center]

Now, as to why our boys of democracy seem to be all mad at everyone that their efforts to start a war is falling upon deaf ears, is a complex one to say the least. But suffice it to say the game-changer is underway as we speak. And payments are coming due and with no more suckers to fleece, and no more wars allowed. Demotions are in order.

- Remember: ''The value of war, is in the debt it creates. You control the debt, you control everything......''

K&R

[oldandhappy]

8. And how much of our debt does China control??

I think it is a high percentage but I do not know, really.

[oldandhappy]

9. sorry, this should have been a response to #7

[Cha]

11. More Russian Propaganda-Putin Pumping.. you haven't sourced your info.. are we

just suppose to take your word?

Svitlana Zalischuk speaks out on Vlad Putin's actions.. “The referendum itself doesn’t mean anything,” she added, noting that the choice was between “yes and yes,” and didn’t give people a choice of maintaining the status quo. “You can’t conduct a democratic referendum when a whole country is invaded and controlled by the troops of a foreign country.”

The Fight for Democracy in Ukraine: A Conversation with Center UA’s Svitlana Zalischuk

BY Micah L. Sifry

“In the third and last part of our conversation, I asked Zalischuk about the referendum about to take place in Russian-occupied Crimea and the massive Russian troop presence across the border from eastern Ukraine. “Russian invaded Ukraine,” she said, mincing no words about Vladimir Putin’s actions in the wake of Yanukovych’s departure from office. “The referendum itself doesn’t mean anything,” she added, noting that the choice was between “yes and yes,” and didn’t give people a choice of maintaining the status quo. “You can’t conduct a democratic referendum when a whole country is invaded and controlled by the troops of a foreign country.”

This is not a conflict between Ukraine and Russia, she said, it’s a conflict between the civilized world and totalitarianism, one that undermines the whole architecture of the European and world community. I asked her about the idea that the democracy movement in Ukraine was mostly strongest in the western part of the country and not so much from the eastern half, where Yanukovych got the majority of votes. She said the picture was more complicated, because Yanukovych himself had campaigned in favor of stronger ties with Europe when he was running for president.”

http://techpresident.com/news/wegov/24827/fight-democracy-ukraine-conversation-center-uas-svitlana-zalischuk



Travel Guide To Moscow

"First of all, Russia has become very corrupt throughout the last few years. Vladimir Putin has now been in office for twelve years and over those twelve years he has eliminated most elections, monopolized major media, and destroyed the democratic political system. Everyday people are brutally arrested for starting and participating in anti-Putin protests, while some are even detained simply for being nearby. Clearly, Putin’s actions are those of a dictator, and he plans to stay in power as long as possible."

http://sites.psu.edu/egorivanov/2014/01/31/travel-guide-to-moscow/

Timothy Snyder: Freedom in Russian exists only in Ukraine

In Ukraine, millions of Russian-speakers read a free press and learn from an uncensored internet

snip//

"Putin claims that he is defending the rights of speakers of Russian in Ukraine. He has used this argument to justify his invasion of Crimea and the electoral theatre of yesterday, a “referendum” in which there was no way to vote against union with Russia.

Among the speakers of Russian in Crimea are the Crimean Tatars, whose historical memory is dominated by their murderous deportation by Stalin in the Forties, and who boycotted the “referendum”. It makes no reference to their minority rights, nor to their assembly, the Mejlis, which was permitted by Ukrainian law. Crimean Tatars are now fleeing the peninsula for mainland Ukraine. Russian-speaking Ukrainian Jews have also made it clear to Putin that they do not want Russian intervention."

snip//

"If speakers of Russian were suffering discrimination, that would give rise to concern, though not justify invasion. In fact, Russian is a completely normal language of interchange in Ukraine. There, tens of millions of Russian-speakers read a free press, watch uncontrolled television and learn from an uncensored internet, in either Ukrainian or in Russian, as they prefer.

In Russia, the major social media have been brought under state control, television has been almost completely subdued and several of the remaining free-thinking blogs and internet news sites have been shut down or pressured. This leaves Ukraine as an island of free speech for people who use the Russian language."

MOre..
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/timothy-snyder-freedom-in-russian-exists-only-in-ukraine-9196833.html

It doesn't matter how many gd bombs have been dropped by the USA since whenever... Fucking Putin doesn't get a free pass except from the Putin Puppets.

[reformist2]

12. I'm perfectly fine with the Crimea voting to leave the Ukraine and become part of Russia.

I didn't need Putin or Pravda or Russia Today to tell me this. All I needed was a few history books.

[Scuba]

13. Wisconsin, 2011.