Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine (Dispatch Sixteen)

[snooper2]

(Ukraine needs more troops edition)

[Oilwellian]

1. Houston we have a problem

U.S. Balks at Ukraine Military-Aid Request
U.S. Officials Wary of Inflaming Russia, Agree Only to MREs
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304914904579437523037894270

Probably because of this:

U.S.-Russia sanctions rhetoric shakes companies, investors
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/20/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-business-idUSBREA2I1TQ20140320

[rdharma]

2. Andriy Parubiy - Co-Founder of the Social-National Party of Ukraine.......

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........ and recently appointed the head of the National Defense Security Council which evolved into the Svoboda Party.

In 1991 he founded the Social-National Party of Ukraine together with Oleh Tyahnybok (who is currently running for president on the Svobada Party ticket).

I wonder why VICE News doesn't mention his extreme RW background?!!!

Very strange....... that they chose to omit that information. Maybe they don't want people to know that the RW fascists are in control of this ragtag group of armed thugs!

[NuclearDem]

3. I'm a little more concerned about the fascist with three quarters of a million troops at his command

than impotent little fascists with 15,000.

[rdharma]

4. Then your concerns are misplaced.

But this often happens when folks fall for the FOX news narrative.

[NuclearDem]

5. I'm sorry, which one has legislated homophobia, dominates the parliament, and has nuclear weapons?

Not the little 15K member party, I can tell you that.

Funny, I thought Fox was on the side of overblowing a threat to justify an imperial land grab. Silly me.

[rdharma]

8. You think the RW parties of the interim government will be "gay friendly"? Think again!

And they will be calling the shots in Ukraine.

I'd suggest you get your priorities straight. External bogeyman...... or armed RW fascist thugs in country and calling the shots?

[NuclearDem]

10. Did I ever say I approve of the RWers in Ukraine? No.

But Russia has no business dictating Ukrainian affairs. Nobody does, except the Ukrainians.

Putin cares about Putin, not the oppressed in Ukraine. All he's doing is exploiting Ukraine's instability to assert Russian power and grab land that hasn't legally belonged to Russia for years. And frankly giving nationalist groups like Svoboda a nice big recruitment tool.

[rdharma]

13. If you aren't for the RW fascists in Ukraine, why are you acting as a cheerleader for them?

And as far as "big recruitment tool" ........ the Maidan riots did that........

The "Commander" of the Maidan riots, Andriy Parubiy, saw to that!

[NuclearDem]

16. Cheerleading for them? Give me a fucking break.

Russia is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy here. Agitate nationalist fervor in Ukraine, which leads to the rise of nationalist groups, and then use nationalist groups to justify intervention in Ukraine. It's the same nonsense we were fed about AQI and Iraq.

And that little quip there was just the Russian equivalent of "Blame America first" and "why do you love the terrorists?"

Why you continue to side with an imperial fascist power's land grab is beyond me.

[rdharma]

17. I'm not justifying intervention in Ukraine......

.......But another nicely crafted "strawman" you threw out there.

You probably should give that a break and try another tactic. It's just too easy to see through your feeble line of argumentation.

[NuclearDem]

19. Sure you're not.

And a cry out against strawmen from the person saying "why do you like the Neo-Nazis"? Again, give me a break.

[rdharma]

21. But, I thought you liked "strawman" arguments......

Since you rely on them so much.

This is the last I'll respond to you on this topic. It seems you have hurt feelings.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

7. "Ragbab group of armed thugs"

You mean....National Guard?

[rdharma]

11. I mean "ragtag" bunch of armed thugs....

..... The ones in the video. That's what they are.

You can call them "elite patriotic special defense" or whatever you want. But what they are is a bunch of ragtag armed fascist clowns.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

12. From your posts on here....

....for whatever reason, you seem to think that just about any Ukrainian is a "ragtag armed fascist clown."

Why? I don't know.

[rdharma]

14. Because (as career military).... I call call them as I see them.

And I'm not wrong!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

15. So what is your overall perception of Ukrainians in general?

Go ahead and call it as you see it.

[rdharma]

18. OK! Thanks for your "permission". nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

20. For someone who claims to "call it like I see it", you sure are coy...

....when asked about your actual opinion on something after making certain vague allusions.

So your general perception of Ukrainians is what?

[rdharma]

22. The Ukrainians are great people.

A shame that they are being exploited by oligarchs and RW fascist thugs.

Most Americans are great folks too. I'd hate to see the American government being dominated by Tea Baggers..... or worse.

[Mojorabbit]

6. k and r nt