Should President Obama be condemned for creating the formulary?

[ProSense]

Last edited Fri Mar 21, 2014, 01:12 AM - Edit history (1)

Formulary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formulary_(pharmacy)

Rephrased to make it a single question.

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1. Is this a stupid poll?

[Adam051188]

2. more of a "do you spend too much time on this website" poll

at least in my opinion.

[ProSense]

3. Why?

Aren't there people who believe this is the President's creation?

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4. Can you link me to a single post claiming President Obama invented the formulary?

[ProSense]

5. Search formulary and read the posts.

"Can you link me to a single post claiming President Obama invented the formulary?"

The poll isn't dependent on whether or not you believe they exist.

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6. Can you link me to a single post claiming President Obama invented the formulary?

That is a yes or no question, by the way.

[Electric Monk]

7. Simple enough question, really. Makes me wonder why she's dodging. Or, maybe we both already know.

On a positive note, at least she didn't give a link to one of her own posts that is just a link to another of her own posts, etc.

[ProSense]

10. LOL! "dodging"?

It seems there is some anxiety at seeing the OP question posed. I mean, who could be so missinformed about the origins of the formulary?

LOL!

[Electric Monk]

12. and now spinning. Obvious is obvious. nt

[ProSense]

8. No, I will not "link me to a single post"

Find one on your own.

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11. Am I correct in saying then that you possess no evidence of such a claim?

Again, a simple yes or no question which can be voided at any time by providing a single link to a post claiming that President Obama invented the pharmaceutical formulary.

[ProSense]

14. Say whatever. It's irrelevant. n/t

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15. Are you conceding the point that you possess no evidence that such a claim was ever made?

[ProSense]

16. No, I'm not "conceding" a damn thing. Are you unable to comprehend what I posted? n/t

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18. Should a claim that is without evidence be dismissed summarily?

[ProSense]

19. I have the "evidence," and I'm under no obligation to share it with you

in order to conduct a poll. You can find the evidence on your own. If you don't want to do so, too bad.

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20. Are you contending that someone on this website has claimed President Obama invented the formulary?

[ProSense]

21. Yes. Any other questions? n/t

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23. Does this claim state directly that President Obama invented the formulary?

[ProSense]

24. Yes. Look it up. n/t

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25. Do you feel that the burden of evidence generally lies on the one making a claim?

[ProSense]

26. This isn't a court room. If you don't want to take the OP poll, don't.

I gave you enough information to find the evidence on your own: Search formulary, and then read the posts.

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27. Do you honestly believe I haven't already tried that?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

30. The queen of links can't provide any. The End.

[stevenleser]

69. Posts #22 and #31 below spell it out. nt

[pnwmom]

22. Why would someone curse out the President because a non-formulary drug was denied

by an insurer, unless that person was blaming Obama for the fact that the insurer used a formulary? Like Medicare does, like Medicaid does, like every state that offers insurance to employees does, and as national health systems around the world do.

[jeff47]

31. You should rephrase that question as

"Can you break the forum rules so that you get locked out of your own thread?"

Alternatively, you could go look at Will's post blaming Obama for his wife's medication not being on his insurance plan's formulary. (I've never been much for rules...)

[ZombieHorde]

9. You are asking two questions but the answers are singular.

There are too few poll choices.

There at least should be:
Yes and yes.
Yes and no.
No and yes.
No and no.

And then an "other" option or two.

[ProSense]

13. Should President Obama be condemned for creating the formulary?

Same question, rephrased.

I'll adjust the title.

[ZombieHorde]

17. Aha! Good fix. nt

[Downwinder]

28. Formularies and Tiers came under Medicare Part "D".

If you want to blame someone, blame AARP.

[jeff47]

32. No, formularies have been around for decades.

Every employer-provided insurance I've had with drug coverage had a formulary. Those plans predate Medicare-D by quite a bit.

[Downwinder]

33. I guess I just had never run into them before Part "D"

[jeff47]

35. Insurance companies didn't emphasize them

I had some bad luck and got to find out they existed early on. So I've noticed the one or two sentences mentioning the formulary in each subsequent plan.

[Downwinder]

37. I just won an appeal. My MS drug was dropped from my plan,

the arbitrator said, "The Plan WILL cover it."

[jeff47]

68. Congrats! (nt)

[ProSense]

29. Kick! n/t

[treestar]

34. No but is it now clear he will be blamed for

every thing that does not go smoothly in the matter of paying for medical treatment in this country from now on.

Apparently some people took Hope and Change to mean "I'll be your personal sugar daddy for the rest of your life and make sure you get everything you want, you personally." By executive order.

[Sheldon Cooper]

36. What a ridiculous poll.

Did you mean for it to be this inane?

[ProSense]

39. It's not the poll. What's "ridiculous"

is that some people are actually pushing misinformation.

[Sheldon Cooper]

40. No, trust me.

It's the poll.

[Logical]

42. Nope, it is the poll. Kick it again. n-t

[ProSense]

45. Kick! n/t

[Iggo]

46. Yes.

[Warren DeMontague]

62. Yes, we wouldn't want to pollute GD with anything ridiculous, now, would we?

No, Mmm. No indeed not.

[MadrasT]

38. (shakes head)

fucking hell this is sad

[Logical]

41. Unbelievable. n-t

[William769]

43. Kick & recommended.

[SidDithers]

44. DU rec...

For pissing off all the right people.



Sid

[Electric Monk]

48. You mean the thinkers? Strange agenda you've got. nt

[SidDithers]

49. Yeah, the people who think Obama created the formulary...nt

Sid

[Electric Monk]

50. Oh, all zero of those. Even stranger agenda, then. nt

[SidDithers]

55. ODS is a terrible affliction...

But Obama made sure there are no ACA eligible medications for its treatment.

'cause he's a "piece of shit used car salesman".

Sid

[Electric Monk]

56. So you're saying this is all about being a William Pitt call-out thread, then? That's the point?

That's what makes you happy?

[ProSense]

59. Since I started the OP, let me.

"So you're saying this is all about being a William Pitt call-out thread, then? That's the point?"

No, it's a fact vs. fiction/misinformation/ill-informed poll.

[BklnDem75]

47. K&R

[etherealtruth]

51. Since he did not create the drug formulary

... of course he should not.

[Katashi_itto]

52. Trash. Who posted this says it all.

[Logical]

53. Constant attention needed. n-t

[ProSense]

58. LOL!

[Katashi_itto]

67. "Spoken like a GOPer", to quote you

[ProSense]

57. Who can't seem to ignore it says more. n/t

[treestar]

63. Wow that's ad hominem.

Who and not what.

[seveneyes]

54. Should have fixed it along with the existing condition fix

[ProSense]

61. "Fixed" formularies?

How? Medicare and other single payer systems use formularies.

Obamacare did provide an avenue to appeal such decisions.

Appealing Health Plan Decisions

The Affordable Care Act ensures your right to appeal health insurance plan decisions--to ask that your plan reconsider its decision to deny payment for a service or treatment. New rules that apply to health plans created after March 23, 2010 spell out how your plan must handle your appeal (usually called an “internal appeal”). If your plan still denies payment after considering your appeal, the law permits you to have an independent review organization decide whether to uphold or overturn the plan’s decision. This final check is often referred to as an “external review.”

http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/appeal/appealing-health-plan-decisions.html

[seveneyes]

66. Understood. The ACA was a clean slate to do the right thing

If your doctor prescribes what is best for you, then that is what you should get. And get it without a hassle or bended knee. There really are dull spots in the shining armor of the ACA and pointing them out does not dent the entire suit, or give evil ammunition against the ACA.

[nenagh]

60. If we all want the ACA to succeed, we need to be helpful to those who are having troubles with

their insurance plan. And many, many DUers are being helpful, with suggestions and links to help people who have encountered a problem with their new insurance coverage.

For many, the ACA plan works perfectly.. But when a new plan seemingly has caused a problem with medication coverage or lab test coverage.. We need to help and not become finger pointers because a person lashes out at the ACA or even President Obama.

I dispensed medication in Canada for years..and when changes were made to the system, people became snarky, irritated, angry, upset. They blamed the government. Or they blamed the person behind the counter.

My thought, for what it is worth, is that every person that is helped here may turn around and, understanding the system more than they did before, help others if they have a problem with insurance coverage.

And that way the ACA will grow stronger year after year.

Just my 0.02

[ProSense]

64. "Helpful"

is providing the facts and solutions. When someone continues to deny the facts and dismiss solutions, then all you can do is continue trying to get through to that person.

That works even on some right wingers and others opposed to the law.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024349685

[HereSince1628]

65. Now it looks like OCDs vs the Borderlines?!! Scheisse, I have neither in my brackets!