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Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:10 PM

 

Why isn't the NSA after these assclowns?

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/report-irs-phone-scam-sweeping-nation-104876.html#.UywX_waQIVI.twitter

Report: IRS phone scam sweeping nation

Halah Touryalai, a Forbes staff writer, got a call and a threat from what she thought was an Internal Revenue Service agent: You owe $5,000. Pay up now, or we’ll arrest you.

She froze.

“For the next five or so minutes, I listened in absolute panic,” Touryalai wrote in an op-ed describing the incident.

The largest-ever IRS tax scam is pulsing through the nation in the middle of tax season, an IRS watchdog investigating the matter said on Thursday. IRS impersonators are calling taxpayers, demanding hundreds and thousands of dollars in alleged unpaid taxes.

“This is the largest scam of its kind that we have ever seen,” said J. Russell George, the Treasury’s inspector general for tax administration. “Do not become a victim.”

Touryalai’s caller knew the last four digits of her Social Security number and where she worked. Accusing her of tax dodging, he warned that the government was about to seize her property, freeze her bank accounts, and suspend her driver’s license and passport until she paid up.

He even threatened jail time and to “blacklist” her name.

Eventually she caught on — the man was a phony, one of many who have cheated thousands of Americans in just about every state in recent weeks.

I get these calls occasionally and I string them along to waste their time. I try to work them up into a lather by giving them fake CC numbers.

The sad part is that this is the kind of shit the NSA SHOULD be spying on. They could run these bastards down in sixty seconds and actually DO something useful.

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Reply Why isn't the NSA after these assclowns? (Original post)
Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 OP
Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #1
Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #3
Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #6
Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #7
Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #9
seveneyes Mar 2014 #11
Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #13
Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #16
Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #24
Pholus Mar 2014 #15
Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #5
Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #8
ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #12
Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #14
Pholus Mar 2014 #18
Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #21
Pholus Mar 2014 #28
Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #20
badtoworse Mar 2014 #2
jsr Mar 2014 #4
seveneyes Mar 2014 #10
randome Mar 2014 #17
Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #23
randome Mar 2014 #27
Pholus Mar 2014 #29
Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #30
La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #19
Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #22
KeepItReal Mar 2014 #26
GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #25
2pooped2pop Mar 2014 #31
baldguy Mar 2014 #32

Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:13 PM

1. The NSA is not law enforcement

 

This is a job for the FBI.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:15 PM

3. So, the NSA calls the FBI and fingers them

 

You know, like they are doing now, but with actual criminals.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:19 PM

6. No, those are only "actual criminals" like grannies using thc to ease their chemo nausea, silly!

That's the only sort of dangerous actual crime that justifies that sort of extra-constitutional awesomeness.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:20 PM

7. You are correct,

 

sad to say.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:25 PM

9. So you want the NSA to closely coordinate with law enforcement agencies like the FBI?

 

You want them to share all their information with them?

Hmmm.....

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:33 PM

11. Yes

 

And no to sharing all their information...just the phone scammer information. Then arrest and jail them for life or penalize the country that is letting them operate their scams.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:41 PM

13. Well, they are doing that now.

 

I just want them to target real criminals. It is not like we are going to stop them spying on us, so they might as well do something USEFUL.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:47 PM

16. If you see Warren's link below...

 

what they're doing may not even be constitutional so I'm not sure if expanding this kind of cooperation is appropriate.

I'm curious if there are constitutional challenges right now to this sharing of data between agencies.

I do think there should be barriers between the NSA/CIA and other agencies like the FBI.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:15 PM

24. You are aware my tongue is firmly in cheek?

 

Right?

I do NOT approve. It isn't even VAGUELY legal/Constitutional.

However, they are NOT going to stop. They WILL declare it legal. Even if ten courts say they can't, they WILL. They will only stop if they are all fired and their agency is entirely defunded, i.e. NEVER.

So, if they are going to do this, they should do us a solid on occasion and bust some scammers.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:46 PM

15. They already do. When it suits them of course.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/05/the-nsa-is-giving-your-phone-records-to-the-dea-and-the-dea-is-covering-it-up/

Justice breaks down when the prosecutions are selective.

More arguments that the people who went there with surveillance did so to destroy democracy.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:22 PM

8. They shouldn't be doing that.

 

Frankly, I'm a little baffled by the OP and your post. You guys appear support the NSA sharing information closely with the FBI and DEA?

I certainly don't, but the OP appears to be arguing for that in order to catch these criminals. See the OP's first reply to me.

That just appears to be further expansion of the surveillance state.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:37 PM

12. Believe it or not, there are people who think using the NSA for law enforcement purposes isn't bad

Neither is it unconstitutional when the scammers are foreigners from Indian or Nigerian call centers.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:42 PM

14. What if the scammers originate in the US?

 

Would that be constitutional?

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:49 PM

18. The line has been (inconsistently) crossed.


Dragnet surveillance is immoral.

But SELECTIVE sense of who should be prosecuted using this crap is not only immoral, it is anti-democracy.



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Response to Pholus (Reply #18)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:59 PM

21. So we agree.

 

The NSA and FBI shouldn't be coordinating to catch the alleged criminals mentioned in the OP.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:52 PM

28. They already collaborate with the DEA and the IRS.


We agree on the principles but I'm sick of playing semantics games about the practice.

To be clear: The NSA is on the public record as using dragnet surveillance data in collaboration with the DEA and the IRS and yet somehow NOT the FBI? Unlikely. Just haven't had the evidence released yet.

The cute little game that is being played is that with the right "colder/warmer" talk the NSA can guide the TLA of choice on the bad guy, and the TLA must then reciprocate by making up some story about how their diligent agents just "noticed" something out of whack to keep NSA's hands "clean."

Just like everything about dragnet domestic surveillance, it is a travesty of the rule of law because it is not held up to public scrutiny. Obviously 1%'ers have to be caught in the same dragnet, yet it is also obvious that their crimes are being JUDGED as not worth prosecuting. The same with scammers but NOT with tax cheats or druggies.

Selective enforcement of the law will only reduce trust IN government. It also opens the floodgates to the sorts of corruption we like to sneer down at in certain other countries.

So if they want to use it, they OWE it to the rest of us to be honest so that WE THE PEOPLE can decide we want this done in our names.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:53 PM

20. I don't support the NSA spying on pot smokers then feeding data to the DEA so they can

send swat teams in to bust them, after which they construct bogus "parallel narratives" to explain how they figured out some Dave Matthews fan was smoking a doobie in his rec room, no.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:13 PM

2. That's a great question.

 

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:15 PM

4. That would be useful AND appreciated.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:30 PM

10. The NSA should work with the FTC/FBI against "Card Services" and other prolific scammers

 

These criminals are running roughshod over aging Americans and other vulnerable innocents.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:48 PM

17. What do you not understand about the NSA being tasked to monitor FOREIGN communications?

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:09 PM

23. What do you not understand about the NSA

 

currently spying on us domestically anyway? You know, whether it is legal or not?

Do I approve of the NSA spying on us?

No.

Do I want them spying on us?

No.

Is what they are doing legal?

No, but that hardly matters to them. Torture was illegal, but "ain't no thang..."

Would I like them to stop?

Yes!

Will they?

No.

So, if they are going to do something illegal then at least they should do something useful every now and again.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:20 PM

27. You're talking about the metadata, of course.

 

Most people don't consider that 'spying', you know. Data that is locked away unless needed. Carl Bernstein thinks it's safe. So do I.
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Response to randome (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:07 PM

29. Metadata equals surveillance.


It is a complete record of who you talked to, when and for how long. More than enough to uncover a particular political affiliation, a medical condition, gun ownership, psychological issues sexual fetishes or lawbreaking.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/volunteers-in-metadata-study-called-gun-stores-strip-clubs-and-more/

Your emotive feelings of security come from a guess that YOUR information is not necessarily important to other people because you say your prayers and brush your teeth and "have nothing to hide."

Might be a good bet I guess. They'll only go after the slowest members of the herd...

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Response to randome (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:32 PM

30. Metadata is data

 

and should be accessible only with a warrant. WAY too much that violates the 4th Amendment can be gleaned from "metadata".

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:49 PM

19. no, the NSA should not be coordinating with law enforcement and bypassing the constitution

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:06 PM

22. No, they should not

 

but they are, and they will keep on, so why not have them do something useful?

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:50 PM

26. NSA is already doing it...

NSA, DEA, IRS Lie About Fact That Americans Are Routinely Spied On By Our Government: Time For A Special Prosecutor

It seems that every day brings a new revelation about the scope of the NSA’s heretofore secret warrantless mass surveillance programs. And as we learn more, the picture becomes increasingly alarming. Last week we discovered that the NSA shares information with a division of the Drug Enforcement Administration called the Special Operations Division (SOD). The DEA uses the information in drug investigations. But it also gives NSA data out to other agencies – in particular, the Internal Revenue Service, which, as you might imagine, is always looking for information on tax cheats.

We now know that the agency regularly intercepts and inspects Americans’ phone calls, emails, and other communications, and it shares this information with other federal agencies that use it to investigate drug trafficking and tax evasion. Worse, DEA and IRS agents are told to lie to judges and defense attorneys about their use of NSA data, and about the very existence of the SOD, and to make up stories about how these investigations started so that no one will know information is coming from the NSA’s top secret surveillance programs.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:20 PM

25. Perhaps because NSA is run by ...

ASSCLOWNS of the highest magnitude.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:01 PM

31. gotta be pretty stupid to fall for that shit

 

IRS don't take cash

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:09 PM

32. Why don't they go after the Republicans trying to take away people's right to vote?

 

Ignorant anti-NSA hysteria fueled by RW libertarian stupidity ignores the purpose of NSA, and ignores the fact that the GOP is far more of a threat to freedom, liberty, democracy & justice that the NSA ever has been, is now, or ever will be.

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