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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI vote. I've voted in every election since 1970. Midterms, presidential elections, doesn't matter.
I've never not voted for 44 years, ever since I was old enough to vote. (They lowered the voting age too late for me to able to vote in 1968)
I don't vote based on hoping I'll get what I want. I vote because because I want to be counted. I vote because I want those who end up running things - for good or for ill - to know that I'm one of the people watching and paying attention.
This notion that it's a matter of principle to only vote when there's someone running who meets your personal criteria for a "true liberal" or a "true progressive" is a massive missing of the heart of the matter.
You can't always get what you want. What you CAN do is demonstrate that, in spite of everything, you are insisting that you be counted as an active participant in the exercise of our collective democratic right to vote.
As Emma Goldman said (paraphrasing here), If voting really changed things it would be made illegal. I sadly agree - but I'll still vote because I want TPTB to know that I'm out here watching what they do.
I vote because I want to be counted, nothing more.
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(21,024 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I'm getting fed up with posts worrying over whether or not some candidate or another is "worthy" of voting for. Frankly, hardly anyone who manages to put together enough money to run in modern American election contests is going to be "worthy".
The real question, to me anyway, is whether we're just going to sit by and allow ourselves to become invisible non-participants. I refuse to cooperate in being rendered invisible.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)the day you are will be the day the universe ceases to shine.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Well, in every election since 1972. But I do it because I feel it is my civic duty. I vote for judges, I vote for Water Reclamation District members, I vote for aldermen, and all the positions right on up to the top.
I feel that if I live in a democracy, it's my duty to vote. If I want democracy to persist, I'd better be a part of it. I don't care if I have to even hold my nose once in a while. There is going to be a government even if I don't vote: it's my duty to make a choice as to who is going to be in that governmentthe one that taxes me, runs the schools my kids go to, sends our sons and daughters to war. Not voting does not make an individual rise above all the problems. It does not absolve you from complicity in the government. Staying home actually registers as a vote: for the worse of two choices.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Well said!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)And just because I refuse to vote for another corporate shill doesn't mean I don't vote. I'm just not voting for the corporate shill and, too often, that corporate shill is running on the Democratic ticket.
There's a difference between someone staying home because they don't like who is being offered up by the two major political parties and NOT voting for the corporate shills representing the two major political parties. Too often those to are conflagrated.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)you make yourself eminently ignorable. So yes, it's the act of voting itself that counts, period.
Thank you!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)MFM008
(19,808 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Many years ago, I lived for a time in the San Juan Islands - first Lopez, then Orcas. My youngest now lives in Seattle. I will always have a warm place in my heart for WA.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)Good on you mate and may the universe continue to shine on you.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I'm actually quite cynical about politics in general, but I'll be damned if I'm willing to just give up and be invisible.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)which keep pushing me on to continue
Egnever
(21,506 posts)and a powerful sentiment.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)So what. They know, we know ... but simply don't care.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I vote because *I* care. I vote to demonstrate that I will not be beaten down to invisibility and non-participation.
I vote because I will exercise my civic right of franchise as an act of defiance in the face of their indifference.
I vote because I refuse to assist in making it more convenient for them to assume that they may simply rule over us as though we are passive and apathetic sheep.
Sirveri
(4,517 posts)If you participate, then it could be argued that you support the system. I vote, but I don't really support the system, it's clearly broken. My response is that not voting doesn't do anything to tear down the system either. I'd love to try mandatory voting for an 8 year period, just to see what it was like and what results it got. There are a lot of changes I'd like to see made to the system, even just as test runs. Not voting has a bit less of a chance of making such changes compared with voting, so there isn't a real reason not to vote.
Maybe you do support the system, I'd be hard pressed to say that it's really a decent system though. Can you trust a politician installed by the system to work to change it? Most dogs are smart enough not to bite the hand that feeds them.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Great point about "not voting doesn't do anything to tear down the system either."
I also like the idea of mandatory voting - it definitely would be interesting to see the results!
Thanks again!
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I cannot remember.
I do remember that I was living in Utah, getting ready to quit my job and move, at least temporarily, back to my home state.
That was the year Daschle was elected to the Senate in my home state. The year before, I had talked to a Daschle staffer at the State Fair. I asked, 'is he gonna run for the Senate?' Staffer asked 'Do you think he should?' I said 'I think he could beat Abdnor'.
And I was right, but I cannot remember if I voted in that election either in SD or in Utah. Six months later I was in Wisconsin, and 14 months after that in Nebraska. But not before I had voted in the Wisconsin primary - as a Democrat.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)It's not always easy to stay on top of registering to vote in a new location, especially if it's temporary. But when a person has a lifelong habit of voting, they will do the best they can to continue to exercise their right.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)would anyone want to willingly forgo the exercise of their most basic right in a democracy; their right to vote?
Autumn
(45,084 posts)I don't plan on staying home now. That being said, I'm having a real problem with the 2014 race. I'm not sure I can vote for one Democrat.
justhanginon
(3,290 posts)most if not all elections since the mid fifties when I first became eligible. For me personally, I always wanted the right to argue, in retrospect, both pro and con on those things or people I either voted for or against. I wanted a clear conscience so if my vote lost I could criticize to my hearts content and if by chance I was on the winning side I could take full and complete credit. Not voting, I felt, would take away any perceived righteousness on my part.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)take credit or complain, as the case may be.
Welcome to DU!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)not going to vote my two daughters said "Yes, you are. You taught us it was important and you are not going to back out now." They picked me up and took me to the polls.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Thank you for your post!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)"You Can't Always Get What You Want"
I saw her today at the reception
A glass of wine in her hand
I knew she would meet her connection
At her feet was a footloose man
No, you can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometime you find
You get what you need
I saw her today at the reception
A glass of wine in her hand
I knew she was gonna meet her connection
At her feet was a footloose man
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you might find
You get what you need
And I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration
If we don't we're gonna blow a 50-amp fuse"
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need
I went down to the Chelsea drugstore
To get your prescription filled
I was standing in line with Mr. Jimmy
And man, did he look pretty ill
We decided that we would have a soda
My favorite flavor, cherry red
I sung my song to Mr. Jimmy
Yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was "dead"
I said to him
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You get what you need
You get what you need--yeah, oh baby
I saw her today at the reception
In her glass was a bleeding man
She was practiced at the art of deception
Well I could tell by her blood-stained hands
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)why would anyone want to willfully relinquish one of their rights?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)that is my attitude.
I back the most progressive candidates in the primaries, and take it from there.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)My argument against not voting is aimed at those who are feeling fed up and disgusted, and don't think voting is worth the bother, because they can't get the kinds of candidates they feel inspired to vote for.
So, what I'm saying is, stop looking at voting as a way to get your way - and then giving up on the idea because you're sure you won't get your way. Look at it simply as protecting your own important right. Protecting your personal right as a citizen to participate ought to be inspiring enough.
It's always been an important ritual for me, a recognition that I am a participant in democracy. It may be the least I can do, but I can do it. It's generally not that big a deal.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I realize that for some people, there can be any number of difficulties that need to be overcome. But for the most part, the worst that happens is a long wait in line.
Still, people are willing to wait in long lines for many things - sporting events, movies, shopping at a sale. Isn't exercising your right to vote at least as important as any of those other things?
G_j
(40,367 posts)it will really help if people make an extra effort to help others register, get to the polls and overcome obstacles and confusion.
I hope people understand how crucial the situation is, and if for no other motivation, vote against ALEC and the Koch bros rewriting our laws down to the local levels of government. They have a plan, and they are carrying it out. Voting locally is important too.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I sure hope that those who threaten not to vote are remembering that their local elections are VERY important. The state level is where the most immediate damage can be done if Dem voters stay home. Just look at what happened to Wisconsin in 2010!
G_j
(40,367 posts)the GOP wrecking ball has very been busy here in NC.
stage left
(2,962 posts)I've read your stories and what you do to get out the vote and I'm saying thanks for what you do. I'm inspired by you.
WhiteTara
(29,715 posts)but it was great every time we won. It has always felt like we were stopping a bullet.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)stage left
(2,962 posts)Thanks for a nice positive post, Scarlet Woman, among all the recent negativity. The first vote I ever cast was for Jimmy Carter. It broke my heart when Reagan pushed him out, but it never stopped me from voting. Oftentimes, living where I live, I feel that my vote doesn't count at all, but that didn't stop me from voting. The Republicans down here can override my vote easily and do, but, damn it, I can still be heard, if dimly. They can stifle me, but they can only shut me up if I let them. And I don't intend to let them. We can't, we really can't, continue to listen to the Right tell us that we've already lost. This upcoming election is just too important for apathy. Yes, we're sometimes presented with the lesser of two evils to vote for. And some people say the lesser of two evils is still evil and you shouldn't vote for that, you should be purer than that, or something. Yes, but, the way I feel is, if you help the more evil to win by opting out, how does that help anything? Doesn't it just make the greater evil that much stronger?
In SC the only choice we often have is between completely nuts and just barely sane. We would be damned fortunate to have a choice between a centrist member of the Democratic Party and the Right Wing crazies we're stuck with. Damned fortunate. And that is coming from a person whose personal philosophy is so far left that I seriously considered leftofghandi as my name. I still sort of like it. Anyway I'm going to vote and since I'm fairly sane, I'm going to vote for Democrats. I would vote for Republicans if they had beliefs I could stomach, but they don't. And lately they make me sick to my soul. So, y'all vote. Unless you're going to vote for Republicans, and then please, don't bother.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Exactly! We must not allow ourselves to go silent and uncounted by not voting at all. Even if it's hopeless, show up as an act of defiance. Show up and say, "I am here, and I will not sit idly by and be silenced."
Agony
(2,605 posts)and not only that, but as an election inspector I want to watch the votes get COUNTED!
Cheers,
Agony
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I could have voted in 1968 but didn't because of Chicago. Somehow in my addled little 21-year-old brain, I thought boycotting the election would prove something. After four years of Richard Nixon, I realized the error of my ways and have voted in all elections since. My candidates don't win very often, but at least I've earned the right to complain.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)That's how my dad always put it, "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain."
So, by gawd, I WILL vote, and I WILL complain!
Thanks for posting on my boring little thread.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)fizzgig
(24,146 posts)but i can't say for sure. what i can tell you is that i did vote for gore in 2000 and have not missed an election yet.
i supervise a lot of high school and college kids at work, and i always make it a point to encourage them to register to vote and to vote.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)I was proud to cast my first vote for George McGovern.