DU! Where the president is a piece of shit & the first lady is clueless...

[Drunken Irishman]

I feel like I've taken a wrong turn at Albuquerque and ended up on FreeRepublic.

[hfojvt]

1. you and Bugs

[treestar]

2. off year election, too.

It is good ammunition for Republicans - hey even the Democrats hate the Democrats and think the ACA is garbage.

[bravenak]

3. The freepers have been having a ball reading DU lately.

Laughing at us for about four days now nonstop. I prefer it the other way around myself.

[Boom Sound 416]

95. They're still jealous.

That whole thing is baffling

[bravenak]

143. I missed you.

You were gone. Glad to see you!

[Boom Sound 416]

146. Right back atcha

[bravenak]

148. Yeah baby!! They can't get rid of the ' real package'!

[LadyHawkAZ]

119. I suspect that they've been having a ball *posting* to DU lately

maybe it's just me.

[Andy823]

121. Nope, no just you.

I feel the same way.

[bravenak]

145. No. Not just you.

Its real.

[JI7]

154. yup, same attacks on other sites but on there they don't have to pretend to be from the left

of course they include the "you support him because he is black" there also.

[freshwest]

263. What, has Rush been railing about Michelle? What do they say is wrong with her now? Sheesh!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

127. Yup, they're saying, "ooh, our pals the Naderites are at it again!" nt

[bravenak]

149. They suck.

It must be payback for all the fun we had on the last two presidential election nights.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

210. I can't believe they're doing the same stupid thing again. How many times will they pull this sh*t?

They may as well admit they're Republicans, such are their actions at the polls.

[freshwest]

268. Well, it's pretty obvious they hate the same people as the Republicans do... Enuff said! n/t

[Jesus Malverde]

180. Who gives a shit what the a-holes at FR or CC think.

Why even give them the page views.

Fuck em.

[bravenak]

183. I like laughing at them.

I can't help looking. It's like watching 'World Dumbest....'.

[freshwest]

261. They are loving how this energizes their base and demoralizes ours. Thanks, Donald Segretti. n/t

[hobbit709]

4. "I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat"

[DeadLetterOffice]

33. I think I'm going to borrow that line, if you don't mind... n/t

[hobbit709]

35. Will Rogers said that way back.

[Cha]

89. Don't think Will Rogers would respect.. "Fucking piece of shit used car salesman fucking from my

fucking heart and fucking soul". Don't think he would respect not admitting when he was wrong either and Moving On from that.

[hobbit709]

114. Get over it.

[Cha]

151. You get Over it.

[hobbit709]

181. I'm not the one having a cow.

[Cha]

184. Yes you are.

[hobbit709]

185. You don't know me very well.

I don't have cows, I just eat BBQ when other people do.

I'd say you're more upset about what Will said during a time of great stress than about the situation he was faced with.

[VanillaRhapsody]

206. AND though he is benefitting from that SAME program he made that statement about....

and many of us here on DU worked to provide for he and his family...(though he is a best-selling author) he STILL hasn't taken it back.

that's callous and ungrateful if you ask me. I am happy that he and his wife are covered and taken care of. Meanwhile we have to accept what he said and just forgive him? Never to repeat the phrase again?

I DON'T Think so...

[hobbit709]

209. It WASN'T the ACA it was the pharmaceutical company that came through.

But keep on cheering.

If you've ever been in that kind of emotional distress, you sometimes lash out at everything.

[VanillaRhapsody]

214. That is not the point is it? If he and his wife are now covered and NOT under COBRA

HE is saving money with THAT program that the "piece of shit car salesman" created for him to benefit from...

Still no retraction from the Ungrateful One...his "Fuck You from the bottom of my heart" still stands...meanwhile crisis averted....and what thanks does the President (and many DU'ers that worked for it) being called a "piece of shit car salesman" not retracted.

So is he calling the President a "piece of shit" or is he calling the Affordable Care Act that he is now enjoying a "piece of shit"?

[hobbit709]

215. My theme song is NOT Home On The Range unlike some people here.

"Where seldom is heard a discouraging word, and the skies are not cloudy all day."

I have said worse than that about every president since LBJ.

[VanillaRhapsody]

216. that was far more than a "discouraging word" now wasn't it?

so is the President a "piece of shit" or is the Affordable Care Act that he is enjoying a "piece of shit"? His "Fuck You from the bottom of my heart" still stands?

Inquiring minds want to know...

[hobbit709]

217. Funny how the denizens of the swamp all get upset together.

[VanillaRhapsody]

218. funny I don't hang out in the "swamp"...

does the "Fuck you from the bottom of my heart" stand or not?

[hobbit709]

219. Not what your profile says. goodbye

[VanillaRhapsody]

222. My profile says I hang out in the swamp?

I post mostly on GD...I rarely even look at the Forums tab.

So like the guy you are defending you are WRONG!

[Cha]

255. Great.. now we're getting somewhere because you don't know me, either. End of story.

[VanillaRhapsody]

205. We don't have to "get over it" until he decides to retract that vile verbal diarrhea he spewwed...

He hasn't yet....

[Whisp]

231. +++ got to wonder what the hold up is.

I can take some really good guesses tho!

[VanillaRhapsody]

235. Me too....

his minions would really really really HATE to see it happen. He would rather keep their "respect" than to lose face and eat his words...

[Whisp]

236. I got a post hidden for the mildest of mildest insults toward Greenwald

compared to that flaming 3 hole outhouse one this OP is about.

There is a pattern here of who is supporting the shithouse thread most, there are triangulations appearing before our eyes of partnerships and alliances against the President from places a couple few years ago wuld have not been tolerated.

[VanillaRhapsody]

237. I saw that....deplorable.

I stand by my position that he should retract or get banned....I don't know what the proprietors or MIRT are waiting for.

[Walk away]

137. It's even creepier that people are still defending him after he proved to be...

a "misinformer". Of course they are the same folks who would still fall on their swords for Dennis Kucinich and believe Elizabeth Warren will win magically the 2012 presidential election without running.

[Cha]

152. Yes, the dripping demagoguery made of straw is awfully Creepy.

And, hero worship of gg and es while hurling that epithet at others.

[Cha]

6. Not me.. I know I'm right on

DU where I consider the fucking source of such idiocy.

[Heidi]

175. Cha, it's only right* that you know your post was alerted on.

The jury voted 5-1 to leave it alone. I was among the five.

*My belief is that, just as in a court of law, the accused has a right to know s/he has been accused, of what s/he has been accused, and the results of the "trial"--especially since the DU jury system does not allow the accused to present a defense.

[freshwest]

269. That is the major fault of the DU jury system and it makes it a popularity poll at times. n/t

[cui bono]

7. I feel like that almost every day for different reasons.

"Haters gonna hate", "ODS", "Libertarians"

[VanillaRhapsody]

208. So that means what he said is supposed to stand? No retraction? When he is still going to

benefit from the program the "piece of shit car salesman" created to help he and his wife? (with a Fuck You from the bottom of my heart) Still no retraction of those words....even though many here worked hard to get that program in place....its downright ungrateful. What would you say to a Winger who was benefitting from the Affordable Care Act but meanwhile calling the President a "piece of shit car salesman" and "Fuck You from the bottom of my heart"?....Hmmmm????

[Democracyinkind]

8. AND where both threads claiming such shit get an overwhelming negative response.

Which exemplifies the difference to Free Republic.

Reality check. This is DU and just about as liberal as ever. Insofar as it is not, the rightward shift of DU over the past couple of years has just about NOTHING to do with those critical of Obama's policies.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

10. Then of course there are the 50 threads complaining about the two.

[betsuni]

9. Yes

I alternate between being sad and angry at this and end up sadangry. I don't understand it.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

49. "sadangry" ... indeed, betsuni. nt

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. You should be glad DU wasn't around in the Clinton era of bogus prosperity.

You wouldn't have liked it then either, I imagine.

Oddly enough a significant percentage of people who post on this forum are significantly to the left of our centre-right pro-corporatist dronemaster-in-chief. And some of them are sufficiently aware of the world outside the US to recognise empty-headed bullshit when they see it, even if it is coming from the First Lady--which, the fact that she's in China or anywhere else in the first place is kind of fucked up anyway, honestly. No other democracy has this whole quasi-royal thing of the spouse of the head of government representing it in foreign countries in an official capacity. For all that Americans like to put down royalty, a lot of them seem pretty enamoured of the basic concept if you call the king a president instead.

[randome]

15. It's not like Michelle is forced on anyone.

Last edited Sat Mar 22, 2014, 10:11 AM - Edit history (2)

Most seem happy to see her and to solidify their ties to the West. It's politics. Why should we expect more?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Demeter]

21. Thank you, for saying it much better than I ever could

[Eleanors38]

25. Eleanor Roosevelt was "quasi-royal?" She did a lotta visiting. nt

[Demeter]

110. Eleanor Roosevelt held a diplomatic post

Following her husband's death, Eleanor remained active in politics for the rest of her life. She pressed the US to join and support the United Nations and became one of its first delegates. She served as the first chair of the UN Commission on Human Rights, and oversaw the drafting of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Later she chaired the John F. Kennedy administration's Presidential Commission on the Status of Women. By her death, she was regarded as "one of the most esteemed women in the world" and "the object of almost universal respect"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Roosevelt

[Eleanors38]

153. I watched early documentaries in the 50s re Eleanor

She was one of the first women accorded non-entertainment Super Star status in the post WWII era, and disabused me of the notion that men had it "all over" women in terms of ability & talent. She toured heavily on behalf of U.S. Trooos during WWII, and spoke on behalf of civil rights right in the KKK's territory w/ a price on her head. Had her .38 on the front seat when driving to the event (she also had a CCW permit).

[laundry_queen]

43. holy shit, you've been in my head

I was thinking that just yesterday about the whole royalty thing and I almost decided to write something about it then I deleted it - it was almost verbatim what you wrote. Freaky.

I also agree with everything else you said.

[Benton D Struckcheon]

60. Prez = Head of Government,

that's why you see that. Over there, the Queen's the Head, the PM's a guy elected out of the lower House to do the day-to-day running of the government. Separation that makes for far less deference given to Cameron.
Other non-monarchies have a President and a Prime Minister. Here all we have is the President. Note that for the purposes of comparison, Boehner and Reid are closer to the role of Prime Minister, but it's hardly exact, as they don't get to go overseas like Cameron does to represent the views of Britain.
It's an old system, and as written the President had roughly the powers of the King of England at that time, but was elected instead of getting there by inheritance. The Senate was roughly the House of Lords, the House roughly the House of Commons.
Oddly enough, they wrote the Constitution with the model of where they came from in their heads.

[ProfessorGAC]

93. Pedantic, Tedious, and Repetitive

You've hit the trifecta. Congrats!

[KittyWampus]

97. they aren't "significantly to the left" they are IDEOLOGUES> They are zealots who call themselves

"Progressive" who hate most elected Democrats since the USA can't just automatically land in the perfect Leftists Utopia.

Ideologues.

Call them what they actually are.

[VanillaRhapsody]

212. YUP Idealists with an axe to grind!

they really just want to stay above the fray of having to actually put any skin in the game....but retain the right to complain about whatever happens...its pretty pathetic if you ask me.

[joshcryer]

134. Eternal September

The problem isn't people who are ideologically left of Obama. I am, dozens of his supporters are. The problem is the pointless, weak, pathetic criticisms.

Unfortunately the internet just attracts these type of idiotic posts, and there's nothing much that can be done about it.

[llmart]

191. I supposed Jackie should have just stayed home from France, too.

You know very little about how much good/diplomacy a First Lady can do.

[lamp_shade]

12. Sure seems that way. n/t

[randome]

13. Hey, have a heart.

Some people get riled when they pay their ObamaCare Liberty Tax.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/drudge-individual-mandate-liberty-tax
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[WinkyDink]

14. Just remember that Hillary was a First Lady, also.

[JoePhilly]

16. There are folks on the left, and the right, who want a total collapse of the US.

I mean they really want it to happen. They need it.

In their minds, the collapse has to happen. Its a necessary component of ending the current system and getting to their Utopian dream.

For the right wing, its a Christian controlled government. Church is State, and they control it all.

For the far left, after the collapse, obviously a socialist utopia ensues.

They hate the President for not allowing the collapse they need to "start over". And we were so close back in 2008 and 2009.

The collapse they dream of is looking less and less likely.

And at times, they get very testy about it.

[Vattel]

17. You should do a DU poll

to see how many DUers want a total collapse of the US. There are plenty of good reasons to dislike Obama. I doubt that any significant number of people hate him because he did not allow the collapse of the US.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

92. you never know

i remember back during the run-up for the 08 election that there were fair number of people who was arguing that the democrats should simply let the republicans win that election, main reasoning i believe was along the lines of that another republican president would cause the US to crash&burn and as such make the republicans unelectable for a few decades(not the most sensible logic in my eyes)

[Number23]

138. Yes. That has been a recurring theme on this web site. That the U.S. needs to hit rock bottom

so that from the ashes it will rise. Not everyone espouses it, but enough do and for a long time. It's easily one of the most idiotic, self-destructive, purposeless, moronic things I've seen posted here. And that's saying alot.

[tblue37]

192. Nader also made that argument before the 2000 election as one of the

reasons why he didn't care if he drew votes away from Gore. He said both parties were the same, but he also said things needed to get bad enough to prove to people that the whole system needed to be replaced. (Not his actual words--just the gist of his and his supporters' argument.)

ON EDIT: I remember that at the time the late, great Molly Ivens wrote a piece decrying that let it burn mindset.

[BumRushDaShow]

18. Exactly.

Their entire existence, i.e., raison d'etre, is threatened. Although in this circumstance, it allows their continual strutting and fretting while in their hour on the stage, telling their idiot tales full of sound and fury, that signify nothing.

[Whisp]

19. I believe that. They want the whole system to break down. I have seen that lunacy here.

Fucking idiots probably couldn't even stand watching that terrifying movie The Road about the breakdown of civilization, never mind live in it.

[grasswire]

61. And what do you want for America?

....considering....

[ZombieHorde]

182. I enjoyed The Road, but it was fucking stupid.

All the bad people lived cooperatively using team work to get by while the all the good people went on their own to live in isolation and terror. The bad people were socialists and the good people were rugged capitalists.

[Whisp]

190. haha! good observations.

I don't think I will ever watch it again. It had a tone and a smell that was so dark and unsettling. I thought that part was done really well but it gave me the creeps real bad.

[davidpdx]

20. Makes sense

Get sick of "the US is bad, Obama is bad, Putin is good" posts. If they think it's such a "paradise" I'll send them a one way plane ticket. HA!

[Auntie Bush]

63. You're going to need a ton of money to do that.

[Demeter]

22. If there is animosity towards Obama

it is BECAUSE he is accelerating the collapse of America's democracy by his policies, which continue, intensify and turn ever more toxic the "W" regime.

Where is the Rule of Law? It only applies to those who cannot afford corrupt lawyers and political payoffs.

Where is the Bill of Rights?

I could go on, but some people will not listen until it is way too late...

[JoePhilly]

32. Al the folks using the free wifi here at the coffee

shop look terrified.

[joshcryer]

132. Oh yes, lawlessness is rampant in the US.

[randome]

23. Spot on.

Too many unhappy people breeds this kind of worldview.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[okaawhatever]

98. You're correct and many of those people are living outside the US and come to DU to stir

up resentment. Some have been here a long time, in fact.

[Andy823]

122. Exactly!

Thanks for saying it so well!

[joshcryer]

130. For the left it's because of historical materialism.

For the right it's because of Randian "Objectivism."

It's basically a congruence of outcome which is shared by the authoritarian far left and the fascist far right.

[freshwest]

274. I found that out in local politics, too. Scary shit. n/t

[TBF]

196. I replied to MM's poll but I'll address

it here as well. Many of us on the left would like nothing better than a socialist economic system. So far, aside from the Paris Commune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune) we have not seen socialist economics partnered with democracy. And that experiment lasted exactly two months.

Even recently in Greece where the KKE is a real communist party we all saw what happened when push came to shove - Golden Dawn (the fascists) rose up. I believe that would happen even more quickly here.

We have no equivalent to KKE here. Our "communist" party endorsed Obama. We are ill-equipped for a socialist take-over in this country.

Thus there is no need for you to bash leftists.

[JoePhilly]

241. I have no issue with those who advocate for more socialist economic policies.

I do have an issue with those who are hoping for a collapse as a method to instigate it.

[TBF]

252. Fair enough. nt

[War Horse]

229. You just hit the nail on the head /nt

[freshwest]

270. Yup, but anarchists are fools. Chaos leads to dictators who enforce their vision with brutality.

There is nothing in the history of the USA that would give any other outcome. Nor in our present society with armed rightwingers and theocrats who desire the death of milliions. We cannot be decieved. They vote fo this every year.

Those who advocate that chaos is liberating are libertarians who would not care that many would die for nothing while things settle out. Others, who claim to be of a different utopia mindset, also do not care about those who will die as they expect it won't be them.

With every act that shuts down democratic process and civil society, people die. Not necessarily in public where the crocodile tears are shed, or the media has good ratings, but they do. Gingrich government shut down - people died; Boehner shutd own - people died and lives were disrupted beyond repair; yet some here cheer such things on.

I say they have no real skin in this game or they would not be loving the prospect of this. They want a Constitutional convention because they are too lazy to do the daily work to make a democracy work and want a quick fix. Guess who calls for a Constitional convention - Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, and the rest who are o the Koch brothers payroll and we know what they would do.

Some here make Democrats look like Teabaggers. But then, they hate the Democratic Party so much, I cannot call them Democrats no matter what they say. They would gleefully toss out all the things in the platform to protect women, minorities and the poor, and think nothing of it for their own ends.

And the more they sully our brand, which stands for that platform of rights and values, the less voting people will do and that serves the far right and the theocrats and the status quo that hurts people now that Democrats are working to help against all odds and will be the first to point the finger when it doesn't help what they 'say' they believe. After all, you cannot hate the only engine for change you have and expect different result than what the GOP Libertarian Teas want.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

24. Okay. I give in. She wasn't clueless in saying she wants to see Chinese education initiatives

and wants to have them implemented in American schools. I misheard the entire press conference. But she's right. But let's do it all the Chinese way:

1: Social promotion because students need to be with their friends.
2: Recording the grade once a student gets a passing grade (even if they student failed it 50 times)
3: Letting kids sleep in class because we should only teach the ones who care
4: Teaching to the standardized test and only the standardized test
5: Forging teacher letters of recommendation
6: Fraudulent transcripts that show straight A's because "gradebooks don't matter."
7 Allowing influential people's children a free ride because of "guan xi."
8: Encouraging some of the worst forms of bullying and hazing imagined because it toughens up children
9: 60 - 65 students in a class
10: School from 7:30 in the morning until 8:00 at night
11: Using students as unpaid janitorial staff in the classrooms, halls and bathrooms
12: Corporal punishment
13: Passing students because they aged one year rather than learning because no student fails
14: Labeling LD students are stupid and problems because "no child has learning problems."
15: Discipline codes with no teeth where students can attempt to stab another and get away with it because "it was just a small knife." (Biology class, Jinling High School, Nanjing. . .3rd period, Thursday, Nov 17th. True story)

I'm sorry I called her clueless on this issue. She knows more about it that I do. She needs to educate the other foreign teachers and me at my school about good Chinese education policy. I'm too stupid to breathe. . .oh, and I'm a lousy teacher who deserves my students sleeping in class, according to DUers who don't like the fact that I believe Michelle Obama, being diplomatic or playing politics, is just God damned wrong on this issue.

But what do I know? I'm a worthless "mei guo ren" who knows nothing about China (lived her seven years now), married a Chinese girl, worked here for seven years and speaks the language fluently. At least that's what I've learned about myself at DU today.

[randome]

26. So find a way to tell her what you think.

No one says she's perfect or knowledgeable in all things.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Nanjing to Seoul]

27. When it comes to educational policy, people will listen to Michelle Rhee, Bill Gates, Eva Moskowitz,

Houghton Miffin, Pearson and the "expert of the moment" (Fred Jones, Harry Wong, Charlotte Danielson) before they ever listen to anything a teacher says.

We have declared war on education as a society since 1982 when "A Nation At Risk" came out under Reagan. Each reform movement has destroyed education more.

Her husband's "Race to the Top" is just another line of "A Nation At Risk" based ideas where everything falls square on the classroom teacher if the students fails and is the guidance of the administrator if the student passes.

NO ONE LISTENS TO TEACHERS!!! EVER!!! In the education debate, teachers are pretty much meaningless and voiceless.

[DrDan]

59. +1 +1 +1

If I remember correctly, Obama held an Educational Summit (in Miami?) right at the beginning of his first term.

Invited were a lone teacher and 3 members of the Chamber of Commerce, among others.

(working from memory - but . . . that is the way I remember it - could not find a quick link)

[steve2470]

245. she has a Twitter account

https://twitter.com/FLOTUS

[fascisthunter]

40. Any Criticism of the Obamas will get Pounced Upon

Notice how all the info you posted regarding the education there and the implementation of it here in the US has been lost?

[Nanjing to Seoul]

166. Yes. . .I noticed. They pick and choose what they want to attack

and then go off on it like some flu ridden bloodhound on the train of a runaway convict.

I remember a time when DU actually had people had no problems criticizing when Democrats did something wrong.

Will Pitt, Plaid Adder, Crisis Papers. . .Hell, even the Top Ten did it with Lieberman, Miller and Nader.

But now. . .we all need to drink the kool-aid. D = good. . .even if they want to implement bad policy (going after MM dispensaries more than war criminals, not going after banksters), want to be Republican lite (ACA which was brought to us by an idea presented by Mitt Romney, reworking NCLB as Race to the Top) or continue bad policies (Gitmo, NSA snooping). R = bad.

Just line up for your lobotomy and stop thinking. A Democrat is in the White House.

[cheapdate]

51. Yes. Michelle Obama was referring to allowing students "...to stab another and get away with it..."

just because "it was just a small knife." Yes. That's exactly what Michelle Obama believes.

Thank you so much for telling everyone the truth about Michelle Obama's dangerous and dishonest agenda. It's refreshing to see such honesty in debate these days.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

144. Now, go after the other 14 points I brought up.

Nice sophistry.

[cheapdate]

157. Nanjing to Seoul wants everyone to know...

that not only is Michelle Obama completely OK with allowing school kids to "stab each other and get away with it" so long as it's only with small knives, but that she (Michelle Obama) would also like to encourage some of the worst forms of bullying and hazing imagined because it toughens up children. She obviously supports corporal punishment and she believes the length of the school day should be increased to 12-1/2 hours. She looks favorably on many kinds of fraud including forging teacher letters of recommendation and creating fraudulent transcripts that show straight A's because "gradebooks don't matter."

Thank you Nanjing to Seoul for alerting us to the true nature of this monstrous and depraved creature, Michelle Obama.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

164. If these are the "intitatives she wants to implement that China is doing now," then I stand by my

statement.

Sorry. . .those were her words. . .not mine. You don't like it? Oh well. Her words are a matter of public record.

If she wants to implement the Chinese education system and initiatives. . .go for broke! Do it all!

[cheapdate]

165. Well they're not the inititiatives she wants to implement

and your accusations are absolutely shameful and disgusting.

[DebJ]

168. She wants to fatten them all up, too, LOL. n/t

[Chathamization]

198. I did a search for the quote that pissed you off. It only appeared here and in the Conservative Cave

This is what the Washington Post is reporting:

“One of the reasons I have come to China is to learn more about education around the world,” Obama said at the top of the meeting. “It’s personal, because I wouldn’t be where I am today without my parents investing and pushing me to get a good education.”

The discussion included a critique of standardized testing, which is rigidly applied in China’s educational system and also has been a source of debate in U.S. schools. The group, including Obama, agreed that tests track only one measure of a student’s potential, said a senior White House official who was in the meeting and agreed to tell reporters about it on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the discussion. One participant spoke of the challenges ethnic minorities face in China, telling Obama of a predominantly minority province in China with a school-age population of more than a million and only two high schools.

The conversation was the most substantial interaction Obama has had with Chinese citizens, away from government officials, thus far.

You live in China. Good for you. That doesn't mean that whenever anyone mentions China you can make up stuff about what they said. You've presented no evidence that Michelle Obama wants to model the US education system after the Chinese one.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

260. I'm glad you read it in WaPo.

I watched the entire press conference on Hunan TV on my wife's iPhone.

WaPo took half the quote. But, again, thank you for telling me what I saw with my lying eyes and what I heard with my lying ears is wrong.

I do appreciate it.

[Chathamization]

273. Good point, it's impossible for anyone to mischaracterize what someone says

Especially since I can't find reports of any press conference:

Michelle Obama's schedule does not include a news conference, and she is not expected to answer questions from professional reporters during the trip.

So maybe you're talking about the talk she gave at Beijing University, but who knows? You're not actually showing us what she says, and seem to be pissed off at the idea that we actually want to know what she said before we decided to attack her.

[redqueen]

286. Interesting that he has not offered any specifics. nt

[REP]

211. It's possible to say something nice about your hosts without meaning it

"Dinner was delicious!"

"I love what you've done with the place!"

"Of course I want to tour your wonderful schools and learn from you!"

What was she supposed to say - "no thanks - we have crappy schools like that in the US."

[Feral Child]

28. So everyone you disagree with

needs to shut up?

You have one poster downstream that admits he was misinformed.

You have another poster that vented his frustration and rage at a horrendous situation that endangered his wife, and has been ostracized and ridiculed ever since.

Look Obama has done a lot of good, but he's also done some really bad shit. Patriot Act; need I say more?

Some of us want more. We want a progressive president that doesn't cuddle up with corporate leeches. That's not to say we hate this president, we're well aware of what could have been. McCain would have been our Tiberius.

Still we're tired of Center/Right Democrats and long for the America that could have been.

I'm personally glad for fellow Democrats that are dissatisfied and feel disenfranchised. You can follow the band if you like, I still consider you a Democrat and fellow-traveler even though you'd like to stifle me.

[Drunken Irishman]

37. Disagree? LOL! This isn't disagreement. It's right-wing assholery.

The hatred some on the left have for the Obama rivals the right. It's disgusting. DU has really gone off the fucking rails.

[Feral Child]

62. Whatever

Too much drama.

[Cha]

99. See how that works? They want to Hide the rw assholery under the rug.. so they

blather on about "so everyone who disagrees with you needs to shut up? "

Do they really have enough straw for this?

[Drunken Irishman]

102. It makes me shake my head...

Disagreement: You know, I am disappointed Obama didn't push harder for a public option and feel the ACA, on the whole, is a very flawed policy.

Assholery: Fuck you, Mr. President...you piece of shit!

One is disagreeing and the other is just outright trolling.

[Cha]

136. Exactly. but, they want to continue doing that as they please so they're piling on

the straw in hopes of "Nothing to see here.. move along." Can't even own up to it. No taking personal responsibility.

[cheapdate]

170. Thank you Drunken Irishman.

I agree with everything you've said in all of these posts. I don't think it's exaggerating to say that it's become practically impossible to have an exchange of ideas here on DU. To even present an argument that supports the position of the administration on any issue immediately brings out the cynics, the nihilists, and the implacably outraged detractors of the president and the Democratic Party.

They relentlessly and carelessly denounce every solitary word, gesture, or action of the administration and every person on DU who so much as floats an argument supportive of the administration.

God, I'm so sick of it! It's like they're just waiting to level false accusations.

[Mojorabbit]

189. Oh the irony.

From the banning queen.How many people have you banned so far. LOL

[VanillaRhapsody]

220. then where is the retraction please?

link please....

[Feral Child]

247. Take a deep breath, VR

Now hold on to that till I post.

[VanillaRhapsody]

249. sorry since I quit smoking my breathing is just fine thanks for asking.

still waiting though....link please...

[Feral Child]

258. No

[VanillaRhapsody]

259. because you can't HA!

[Feral Child]

276. I won't be stalked.

Ignore.

[Kahuna]

29. Michele is clueless? I have never seen a less clueless person than Flotus.

Anybody who thinks she is, is likely the clueless one. AND, PBO is not a pos.

[Cha]

101. There's "cluelessness" but it's not the First Lady.. now there's a post saying she's..

unpatriotic. As I replied.. "where have I seen that before? Oh yeah, on rw boards."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=762514

these idiots are so big behind a key board shooting off ignorant cheap bullshit pot shots.

[Kahuna]

283. Clueless AND unpatriotic...

the stupid..it burns...

[Cha]

287. Well, it turns out the

poster didn't actually say Michelle was "unpatriotic".. he only meant there were 5 random people on the street more patriotic than she. uhhuh.

[Autumn]

30. DU just fucking sucks!!!! Lets rec this up!!

I'm terribly sorry you are being forced to post here though, that's just wrong and a possible violation of your rights.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

54. I don't do this often, but....

[Autumn]

58. Laugh if you want, though I do hope you reced this up.

It's my hope someone will notice this OP and perhaps help this poor man being held captive and forced to post here on DU.

[Drunken Irishman]

66. What a Republican answer to give...

America - like it or leave it, right? That's what you're basically saying. I hope you don't attack America, or criticize it in any way. After all, no one is forcing you to stay here. Right?

[Autumn]

70. You may not be aware of this but DU is not America

I'm not the one complaining. I think it's a poster called Drunken Irishman, it seems he doesn't approve of what has been said on DU and is terribly bothered about it. I almost feel sorry for him.

[Drunken Irishman]

72. It's the same line of thought...

I've been on DU a long time. I don't like what it's becoming. I don't like that one of the last safe havens from right-wing-like attacks om the President and the First Lady is quickly going down that road.

I don't like it. Maybe I should leave. If it continues, and the hatred of Obama grows, I will leave. But don't tell me to 'love it or leave it'. That bullshit doesn't fly.

[Autumn]

75. Reading problem? I never told you to leave, for you

to say I did is bullshit. No one is forcing you to read or be at DU. I said my piece to your little whine about DU and I'm done.

[Drunken Irishman]

81. No one is forcing you to read my posts...

It works both ways, cookie.

[Autumn]

88. Of course no one is forcing me to read your posts. For me to say that

someone is forcing me to read your posts would just be silly. I read your post because I wanted to and I commented because I wanted to and because I can.

However to make it easier for you, to the right of my name at the very end is a little icon of a person you may click that you won't see me anymore. It says ignore this member.

[Drunken Irishman]

103. And I read DU because I want to. I whine because I can.

[HangOnKids]

176. Cookie? Really?

Is this the 1950's? She is making much more sense than you.

[morningfog]

107. The BOG is still safe for you and those so personally offended.

[BumRushDaShow]

31. A sad state of affairs

when name-calling has now replaced (otherwise heated) discourse, with the argument that it's a "First Amendment right!!!!11!1!!!!" and "You are too thin-skinned!!1!!!1!1!!! and "Why do I get attacked for 'criticism'!!!!!11!!!11!!".

[PowerToThePeople]

34. I do not usually play the "team" game, but sometimes things go too far imo. n/t

[Nine]

36. There has to be a middle ground between...

"The President is a fucking piece of shit..." and approval of every single thing Obama does. I believe there is a middle ground. I believe most reasonable people on DU and elsewhere would agree there's a middle ground. A vast middle ground. But some people want to make it an either/or proposition - either you go along with calling the President a POS or you're an authoritarian, pompom-waving yes-man.

Why can't people simply disagree with a policy or program and express that disgreement like a thoughtful grown-up rather than a loudmouth drunk? Are we going to be allowing phrases like "subhuman mongrel" next? Because we're not that far from it now. This is supposed to be a Democratic board. I don't think it's really stifling the free exchange of ideas to request that the Democratic leader of the country not be referred to as a fucking POS. But apparently that makes me the Thought Police.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

68. +++

[Cha]

80. Thanks again, Nine~

[lumpy]

105. Well stated

[U4ikLefty]

123. Will was not far from calling Obama a "subhuman mongrel"...are you serious?

Why not just call him a Nazi?

[steve2470]

124. + 1000 nt

[tblue37]

194. +1. nt

[Vashta Nerada]

38. Apparently you want complete obedience of the President.

Maybe North Korea would be more suitable for your needs.

[Drunken Irishman]

39. Derp.

Maybe FreeRepublic would suit your needs? They seem to hate the First Family about as much as some DUers nowadays.

Obedience? Na'. How about some rational respect and not bullshit, hateful, right-wing rhetoric.

It's getting so bad that I'm starting to believe racial slurs are on the tip of some DUers tongues.

[G_j]

48. Wow

you do love stirring the shit...

[Vashta Nerada]

52. And playing with strawmen and ad hominems.

[Drunken Irishman]

65. Typical DU rebuke - fall back to calling something you don't agree with a 'strawman' argument...

Jesus. You're like a parody of the most inane accounts here. I've posted on a dozen forums over the years and I'll tell you that DU is the only one where someone complains about a strawman argument the most. It's the word of this site. You can't have any type of dispute without another user throwing out that word. It's so overused here that it's lost any meaning and frankly, I think people use it without even realizing what the hell it means. It's like verbal diarrhea.

[Vashta Nerada]

73. And you're the epitome of intellectual discourse.

[Drunken Irishman]

82. DU hasn't had intellectual discourse since Bush administration left office.

[Capt. Obvious]

279. "DU hasn't had intellectual discourse since Bush administration left office."

Are people just going to leave this ball on the tee?

[Drunken Irishman]

64. I'm not the one stirring the shit...

It's the radical liberals who have decided to take it upon themselves to use right-wing language to attack the President and his wife. A great deal of the posts I've seen from DUers mirror the slime that is posted daily on FR. At least the right-wing loons admit their hate for the president. Calling the President a piece of shit, attacking his wife, no that's not hate! It's just gentle, valid criticism!

LOL

[G_j]

69. whatever

I don't see it that way, and I see a lot of those threads also. You are the one using the terms, RW, hate, attack. Those are perceptions. One thing is clear, you're very pissed off. My sympathies.

[Drunken Irishman]

83. Yeah they are...

Google "Obama is a piece of shit" and see how many results link back to right-wing assholes.

[Cha]

86. rw assholes and wp

[Whisp]

221. I wonder if this connection has anything to do with that wild and stupid behaviour by wp:

https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/organizations

Truthout is a member and WP writes for TO. I wonder if there isn't some kind of strange arrangements and understanding going on here between the two. We know Greenwald hates Obama's guts and has promised to 'bring American down to it's knees' or some idiotic nonsense, and TO is listed on that site as a supporter/donator asker.

makes ya go hmmmmmmmm

[Cha]

257. No, it's all a BIG FAT Coincidence!

You know there's money to be made off of Hate.. and that one has it strong. Should be called Hateout.

[Autumn]

96. Good God man!! Are you blind? There's one right here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4711009

[Bobbie Jo]

281. huh?

Makes no sense. So....what is so damn funny?

???

Strange post.

[Autumn]

280. Search those terms they complain about,

it sure is eye opening what names come up.

[Whisp]

91. Ted Nugent would be comfortable here.

[Drunken Irishman]

104. Absolutely.

[SidDithers]

267. And he'd have dozens of defenders...

Fuck the haters.

Sid

[Cha]

85. Why would they do freeperR when they're fighting to call the President ugly ignorant names

right here on DU? that's exactly why're they're whining shit like.. "Apparently you want complete obedience of the President.. blah blah blah "

They must think if there's enough fucking straw.. everyone will forget all the vile shit wp spewed.

[bluestate10]

41. I saw the "clueless" First Lady OP. I suppressed my native urge

to go on an ass ripping crusade. The First Lady wasn't in China to comment on how the country runs it's affairs. I am sure that the First Lady is aware that she will only get to see the best of China, whether that be schools, living quarters, freedom, ect. Her function wasn't to go to China and change it instantly.

[Cha]

173. The ol +1, bluestate.

[Nye Bevan]

42. Are all the hosts on vacation? If this is not "whining about DU", I don't know what is (nt)

[Rex]

44. Did you mean to post that on another forum?

You keep posting such horrible things about the POTUS and his family. Wrong turn indeed.

[BklnDem75]

45. K&R

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Yeah, it's not an outrage on the level of a photo of attractive people in bathing suits.

Something like that, you gotta clear the calendar for a whole month.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

47. Tsk. Tsk. How sad.

[Texasgal]

50. Bleh.

Glad to see you keep the drama flowing.

[polichick]

53. And the Irishmen stumble around...

drunk.

[SidDithers]

55. DU rec...

it's become one of the premiere anti-Obama sites on the internet.

Remember when criticism of Democrats, at Democratic Underground, needed to be constructive?

Now, we get truckloads of derp like:

Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman.

From my heart and soul, fuck you.

Sid

[Mojorabbit]

77. Are you a Democrat? nt

[Cha]

84. Consider the source.. at least he didn't threaten the President bodily harm, right..

[G_j]

100. the world turns

and you have now quoted the same lines from one individual poster for at least the quazillionth time. I think everyone (and maybe even their cat) has seen it by this time.

[spanone]

56. know what u mean.

[Logical]

57. And DUers keep bringing it back up while whining about it. Congrats! n-t

[ScreamingMeemie]

67. ENOUGH ALREADY!

[Cha]

79. Yeah, did ya scream that on the ugly threads that started this?

[mfcorey1]

71. That's because we have become a part of the right's master plan to destroy

progressive sites and progressive movements. One thing about those thugs on the right is they stick together and push their agenda even when they know it is the biggest lie ever told.

[GoCubsGo]

251. Yep. The old "divide and conquer."

Works every time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Derp to the fourth power and then some

[MADem]

76. Pay no attention to the FUD-bugs!

They self-fumigate, eventually.

[steve2470]

78. yep

Can only walk the tightrope for so long.

[Raine1967]

116. I gotta keep remembering that.

FUD...

I had not really thought about much until lately.

[freshwest]

271. What are FUDs? Fuck you Democrats? Fuck you DU? Really, I don't know this one. n/t

[MADem]

272. Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt.

Lately, we often see it spread by people who profess to be UBER-leftists, ULTRA-liberals, more progressive than you or I could ever hope to be....almost in a "trolling from the far left" perspective.

Best to give it the attention it deserves. Which is not much....

[freshwest]

275. Thanks. Segretti is proud of his proteges in media and the masses. n/t

[mike_c]

90. I think you took a wrong turn onto Meta....

Oh, wait.

Seriously, isn't there something important to discuss today, or is this it?

[MrScorpio]

94. Word. nt

[morningfog]

106. META is closed. No whining about DU.

[LWolf]

108. Whatever.

I could start a thread with this title:

"DU! Where politics is a partisan team sport!"


I don't think the POTUS is a POS or the FL is clueless. I also don't think they are the second coming of the political christ. I care about issues. When I like what they have to say and do about issues, they've got my support. When I don't, they don't.

[neverforget]

111. This place has lost its collective mind. Bring back Meta

so we can get this whining out of GD.

[intheflow]

112. No. It's "DU! Where we don't walk in lockstep with our politicians like FR posters do!"

I like to think we strive to hold Democrats to a higher level of accountability than just blindly accepting everything they do as AWESOME! FABULOUS! INFALLIBLE! Leave that shit to the Tea Party Patriots. I prefer my patriots to critically think and evaluate our leaders, and ask them to be forthright and honest in their undertaking on our behalf.

Also, the First Lady is not a fashion plate or China doll to be fawned over and never spoken ill of. Good God, give the woman some freaking credit as a public figure who is not perfect, she makes mistakes but she's also a big girl who can handle criticism. Seriously, I never miss the unrec button so much as when I see Michelle Obama fashion posts. She's the FLOTUS. Of course she dresses well! Whereas the posts criticizing her actions as FLOTUS are just par for the public figure course.

[Drunken Irishman]

115. Bull fucking shit.

You're holding no one accountable with personal insults. That's the typical right-wing bullshit I hear all the time. "We're just holding the President accountable by our ridiculous ridicule!" Give me a fucking break. There's criticism and there is hatred. Calling the President a piece of shit IS NOT CRITICISM. Saying the First Lady is clueless is NOT CRITICISM. It's an attack - it's hatred.

You want to be critical of Obama? Fine. Do it in a tactful way. Don't resort to the same type of attacks the right uses against Obama.

You know who else thinks Obama is a piece of shit?

THIS GUY:



He's just being critical of him, eh? No biggie.

Fuck that.

[MADem]

117. +1,000,000 !!!! nt

[intheflow]

118. Yeah, whatever.

Dude was in the middle of a melt down over his wife's health. Give it a rest, show some compassion toward him rather than the most powerful man in the world. The Obama's can take care of themselves. The rest of us are just trying to survive the early 21st century. I don't believe DU is a "my way or the highway" place, nor should it be. Life is not black and white, no one is perfect 100% of the time, but we fight the good fight on our own fronts. You would throw the baby out with the bath water.

[Drunken Irishman]

120. When you resort to right-wing assaults on the President, you lose any compassion from me.

[Bobbie Jo]

125. Thank you.

This ridiculous bullshit deserves pushback.

Glad to see DU'ers stepping up to the plate instead of cowering in the corner while the FUD runs rampant.

Bravo, DI.

[Walk away]

186. + a million trillion!

[Whisp]

223. +++ DU has been invaded. When Ted Fuckhead Nugents's words

against the President are cheered and supported, time for a wake up call - someone....

[intheflow]

278. DU has hardly been "invaded"

when the post you just thumbed up was responding to me, someone who's been here years longer than you AND the Drunken Irishman (poster you responded to). Also, the poster Drunken Irishman is ranting over has been here far longer than me. From where we sit, it's you blind followers who have invaded DU. I support Democratic candidates, but I don't think they're infallible or immune from corruption, and I definitely don't think they have to be coddled and given free passes when their policies fall short.

[uponit7771]

282. +10000

[sheshe2]

285. Bingo! nt

[Raine1967]

113. You know this is now allowed on DU:

(I've been really reluctant to say much of anything aside from here and there, and under the DU radar.)

According to DU community standards that I happen to disagree with, THE FOLLOWING IS NOW OK ON DU (and keep in mind, this is a president with a (D) after his name)

Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman.

From my heart and soul, fuck you.

and that really upsets me. It does. I don't give a flying rainbow glitter pony phuck WHO SAYS IT.

I don't care how long a person has been here or how many posts they have.

A particular OP was given an awful lot of excuses by a lot of members to justify his words. They justified a person who is employed as a writer and author. I'm not that stupid to not know exactly what was written, and if I am misunderstood, I await an explanation from the person that wrote the OP, as opposed to the people that justified those words. The OP has said NOTHING. Nada, ZIP.

Fuck that.

And I am not even going to get started on the First lady OP. She went to China as a dignitary. That callout was totally mis communicated. At least she wasn't called a POS wife of a used car salesman.

(and no, I am not going to link. This is GD, I'm fairly sure you all know exactly what I am talking about)

Until GD decides that calling the president a piece of shit used-car salesman with the addition of From my heart and soul, fuck you. is not acceptable, GD is going to continue to drain downward.

Priorities are a good thing. We are members of an internet/message board community. As such we are resonsible for being good caretakers of this community. Lately GD just looks like a shit fest that doesn't want to talk about anything, or solving anything.

As a pre-emptive statement: I know the difference between criticism and endorsing full blown bull-shit lies.

I have had some great interactions with members here.

DI (the OP) Makes a REALLY good point, I think a lot of people could benefit form some critical thinking. I know I can't be the only one who understands what he is talking about.

Things are damn nuts here.

[Andy823]

126. You are not the only one

I think there are a lot of people here who agree with what you just posted. I know I do. The problem is when anyone speaks out the same posters show up to trash the thread and make even more attacks. You rare right it's getting nuts around here!

[steve2470]

131. good post nt

[Number23]

141. The thing I found interesting about the "used car salesman OP" was the responses

On one hand you had the ones just lapping it up, a'kicking and a'recing up a storm and that was that.

Then you had a lot and I mean, A LOT of people that were completely disgusted with his language, found him ridiculous, but still tried to help. And it's rather apparent by follow up OPs which group actually contributed to his plight and to the issue as a whole.

[Raine1967]

156. Agreed.

The posters that tried to help without excusing, (that is my personal disclaimer) are people I appreciate.

This has been a nasty episode. I wish that members would not let it happen again.

I also wish it would be rectified. It would go a long way to making things better.

[uponit7771]

163. +1

[Cha]

178. Awesome post, Raine1967~Mahalo.. there was one jury that didn't allow the same kind

of ignorant language in the thread of said OP..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4686372

So there is that.. I know one thing.. after Labor Day of this year GOTV2014 until the day after Election Day.. they'll have to keep their cheap shot insults hurled at the President to themselves on DU.

[stg81]

128. who wrote the original "piece of shit" post?

[steve2470]

133. seriously, I'd go do a DU search. I'm sick of the shitfest nt

[stg81]

147. I guess that's why I didn't see it. I've had Will Pitt on Full Ignore forever.

[Union Scribe]

160. Forever = a whole two months?

Or are you saying you're a repeat customer?

[SunsetDreams]

167. This might be pure speculation...

This site hasn't been around "forever" so I'm guessing that was a figure of speech.

[Cha]

171. ..

[Cha]

174. Lucky you, stg.

[joshcryer]

135. Now Obama's a sociopath.

All for following his campaign promise.

[Bobbie Jo]

139. Recycling? nt

[Raine1967]

140. Proving my point.

THis port that you made is making GD SUCK.

This is uncalled for. It's not clever, it's not satirical and it not even thought provoking. It makes GD suck.

ETA:  the point I was making: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024707865#post113

[2banon]

142. Wish titles like this one was against the rules.. I really do. trashing this tread.

[tavalon]

150. What are you talking about?

The President of any season makes decisions we like and ones we don't and well, this First Lady is the least clueless woman I've ever had the honor of serving under. I clearly missed something.

[Jamaal510]

155. Is the TOS still

being enforced on here anymore? I don't understand how people are not automatically kicked off a site for Democrats if they do things such as tell the Democratic president to self-fornicate, or refer to him as a piece of excrement, or refer to his supporters as "Obamabots", or compare him to Bush ll and declare that he hasn't accomplished anything whatsoever, etc. All of that should raise red flags.

[Bobbie Jo]

159. Oh please..

He's just fine right where he is, like it or not.

[ucrdem]

161. DU is not supposed to be an unpleasant experience for Democrats.

That's a polite way of saying DU is not supposed to suck, and if it does, for many or most Democrats, that's a problem that needs to be addressed. Wouldn't you agree?

[SunSeeker]

179. I agree. nt

[rhett o rick]

187. I agree. I dont approve of what WP said but would tend to give

anyone in his circumstances some slack. But a group here has jumped on this as an opportunity to go crazy with OP after OP and post after post after post of derision, not just for WP but anyone that doesnt march to their tune. And yes, that's a problem that needs to be addressed.

[frazzled]

195. You cut someone slack when ...

that someone apologizes for what they posted after the problem was solved, or admitted that they'd been mistaken: that didn't happen.

This cult of personality, this hero worship of posters like WP is ridiculous and entirely unmerited: they've never accomplished anything besides putting a few overwrought, often misdirected words onto a computer screen. Yet they can never do anything wrong in many DUers' eyes, and if anyone dare in any way criticize, post after post of derision is made.

That's a problem that has needed to be addressed for a long time. Finally, it's being addressed. Stop trying to suppress the ideas of anyone who doesn't march to your tune.

[rhett o rick]

199. Just because a jury allowed one OP that is OTT does not justify others.

If you dont like a jury decision take it up with the Admins, dont try to "get even".

What an excellent example of projection: "Stop trying to suppress the ideas of anyone who doesn't march to your tune."
The soul purpose of the BOG is to suppress all expression that doesnt march to the tune. I think it's a great idea. Where I object is when that same mentality gets into GD. GD is not the BOG.

[frazzled]

200. The "don't march" line was yours!

Man, you guys sure can dish it out, but you just can't take it at all. Not one little eenie weenie bit. You honestly need to take a taste of your own medicine.

[rhett o rick]

202. I didnt like it when WP dished it out and I dont like it when "you guys" responded in kind with

a dozen similar OPs and dozens of posts.

[Number23]

250. "Man, you guys sure can dish it out, but you just can't take it at all."

Nothing at all but a and a from me. Because that is the absolute truth.

[Vashta Nerada]

243. It speaks volumes about the BOG when they have 107 blocked members.

[rhett o rick]

244. I think the BOG is a good thing. They need a place to do their thing. I am series.

I only object when they attempt to turn GD into the BOG II.

[Vashta Nerada]

246. Agreed.

[intheflow]

284. WP has done far more than put "a few overwrought, often misdirected words onto a computer screen."

He's written and published books with Scott Ritter and Cindy Sheehan, as well as by himself. He worked as the editorial director for Progressive Democrats of America and as Dennis Kucinich's press secretary during his presidential bid. What, exactly, have you done for the Democratic party besides post your opinion under an anonymous screen name on DU? I'm not saying I agree 100% with everything that comes out of WP's keyboard, but you are grossly under-informed thinking he's just another online blowhard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rivers_Pitt

[Whisp]

224. marching to Ted Nugent's tune shouldn't be allowed here.

but apparently the dried up shit ass is the wise one to some and we who oppose Nugent's kind of lunacy are the ones that are in the wrong.

right is wrong
up is down

[rhett o rick]

226. This is the kind of thing that hurts DU. No one here considers Ted Nugent as "the wise one"

To suggest such is inflammatory and divisive.

[Whisp]

227. it's more inflammatory to use the same kind of talk Nugent does

against the President. Spin it all you like, whether it comes from the gaping hole of Nugent or some other gaping hole the words are just as bizarre and crazy.

Somewhere in the CS or ToS rules are: No crazy talk.
That post was about as crazy as crazy is. It was complete lack of self control (or was it?) to the point of just like taking a shit in the middle of a mall instead of thinking to look where the bathroom is.

[rhett o rick]

228. Do you consider this OP as "crazy talk"?? nm

[Whisp]

230. not at all.

this OP wouldn't exist if not for Ted Nugent being welcome here. I don't know why that is difficult to understand.

[rhett o rick]

248. So it's "crazy talk" but justified because of all those here that welcome Ted Nugent. Huh?

And you cant understand why that is difficult to understand? Your logic sounds like the same used to justify "Stand Your Ground".

Suggesting that some DU members welcome Ted Nugent is rude and divisive.

[Cha]

162. That's just some of the little bully stand bys.. they don't like something a DU Member says..

and they start whining and trying to bullying them into going to the big bad BOG. Like they're some kind of gawd damn net nanny.

[rhett o rick]

188. Interesting that one that must have written a hundred or so disparaging posts

in the last few days calls others "bullies". I dont like it when posters try to change GD into another BOG. It doesnt seem like they ever discuss issues. Not the TPP, or fracking, or the XL Pipeline, or Patriot Act, or indefinite detention.

[Bobbie Jo]

204. Good grief

Enough whining about the damn BOG already. Seriously, these "concern" posts are starting to look a little silly.

If you're so concerned about the "issues'" then why are you wasting your time policing this thread?

Go forth and post ISSUES!! I promise, GD will be okay.

[rhett o rick]

207. Ah yes, the quintessential rofl (ridicule) emoticon. That says it all. nm

[Bobbie Jo]

213. Silly obsession.

Perhaps you should petition Admin to remove it.

btw....your "ridicule" directed at the bog boogie man hasn't gone unnoticed.

Sometimes just says it best.

[zappaman]

242. !!!

[rhett o rick]

253. Oh but I dont wish it removed. Nor do I care if you use it. I find it a good signal of those

that arent interested in a decent discussion. If I did ridicule the BOG, I shouldnt have and apologize. Maybe you can give me the quote. I am a supporter of the BOG.

[Cha]

256. Yeah, the self appointed net nannys find it their personal little concern to Whine

about the BIG BAD BOG on a regular basis.

[pnwmom]

262. self-delete

[JohnnyRingo]

169. Been there.

Though I'm not sure we're on the same page, I know we're reading from the same gospel.

[Bonobo]

172. Drunk on wine apparently. nt

[hatrack]

193. I met a traveler from an antique land, who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of straw . . .

Stand on the Internet. Near them on the strand,
Half sunk, a rotting straw bale lies, chopped down,
And stinking kelp, and beer cans full of sand
And rhetoric so tragically misread
Show that the author didn't know a thing,
The keys that clattered and the brain so dead:
And on the OP line these words appear:
"My name is Trolololo, Snark of Kings:
Look on my works, DUers, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that flatulent post, pointless and bare
A hundred-plus responses stretch far away.

[QC]

197. Brilliant, and so apt. n/t

[LittleBlue]

201. Do you think Will Pitt and Nanjin to Seoul are Freepers?

If not, then why mention Free Republic when both of them are clearly progressives?

[marmar]

203. The hyperbole is strong in this one.

[Kurovski]

266. Drinking and driving, to read the OP.

One crack-up wasn't enough. Folks want a pile-up.

[Marr]

225. DU, where a collection of sycophants shamefully mocked another DUer's medical problem

because he wrote some angry words about their idol.

I wouldn't be crowing about this little episode, if I were you.

[Whisp]

232. no one mocked the medical problem. what is shameful is peddling that misinformation. n/t

[Marr]

234. Oh, they most certainly did-- and you recc'd it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4701199

[Bobbie Jo]

238. Correction

The medical problem was not mocked. Period.

The unhinged behavior was most definitely mocked, and I Rec'ed it too.

Like they say....but of course you knew that.

[Marr]

239. Go ahead, make little nuanced excuses.

Anyone can see what was being done that thread, and it was sick. This thread is a continuation of that mockery, and any decent person would be ashamed of it-- not making excuses and rec'ing it.

Not being able to get medication is a medical problem, and an understandably stressful one. Pitt's frustration was understandable. This ongoing mockery is not.

[Bobbie Jo]

240. Twisted representation

Yes, anyone can see for themselves how this went down, with or without your help.

[pnwmom]

265. That post does not mock anyone's medical problem.

It is referring only to someone's cursing out President Obama instead of doing research to solve his problem.

[pnwmom]

264. Please point to a single post mocking a DUers medical problem. n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

277. When you consider how this thread was started...

It' little wonder that Free Republic would be drawn to it.

I hope the "slow news" weekend is fully over and you folks have something to talk about upon rolling up your sleeves.