KC Shooter Identified as White Nationalist Frazier Glenn Miller.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/04/13/frazier-glenn-miller-longtime-anti-semite-arrested-in-kansas-jewish-community-center-murders/

[maddezmom]

1. Figures.

Hope he rots in jail.

[Jgarrick]

2. Hope he's executed, and swiftly.

[JaneyVee]

3. Why, there's no suffering in death.

Killing him lets him off the hook. Let his conscience eat his soul.

[JJChambers]

8. He doesn't have a conscience. Hang him high as a warning to the other neo-nazi fucks

[JaneyVee]

9. Doesn't our Constitution say something about

cruel and unusual punishment, including torture?

[Jgarrick]

13. Hanging is neither "cruel and unusual", nor torture.

[AtheistCrusader]

27. How do you know? Have you tried it?

[Jgarrick]

35. Capital punishment can't be cruel and unusual because the Constitution specifically makes allowences

for it. As for being torture, I can read a dictionary:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/torture

the act of causing severe physical pain as a form of punishment or as a way to force someone to do or say something

Surely I don't need to point out to you that this is the proper definition of the word in context, since alternate definitions such as the next one:

something that causes mental or physical suffering : a very painful or unpleasant experience

can apply to something as innocuous as physical therapy. Whatever suffering hanging causes is incidental to its purpose of ending the perpetrator's life.

[AtheistCrusader]

39. Hanging is not a surefire or quick death in all cases.

Hence the invention of the guillotine, when rope and high places were readily available at the time.

"The machine was successful as it was considered a humane form of execution, contrasting with the methods used in pre-revolutionary, Ancien Régime France. In France, before the guillotine, members of the nobility were beheaded with a sword or axe, which often took two or more blows to kill the condemned, while commoners were usually hanged, which could take minutes or longer."

That the Constitution allows for it does not mean it cannot be considered by society to be cruel or unusual. (Or simply unnecessary)

[delrem]

38. I think it's solely a voyeur's sport.

And history has provided us enough accounts of such voyeurs that it's easy to imagine a 2014 audience, all het up for another kill, another war, whatever, being totally bored by the "usualness" of the US death row show. Longing for the return of the guillotine, or maybe just a noose in the public square.

[JJChambers]

16. Capital punishment is neither cruel nor unusual

And this fuck needs to die.

[Logical]

24. Ok officer! nt

[Logical]

5. How GOP of you! nt

[Jgarrick]

10. Let me think, who else supports the death penalty?

This person comes to mind:



Is that GOP of him as well?

[mucifer]

12. Actually, the republican governor of his state of Illinois put a moratorium on the death penalty

several years ago. It's not necessarily a democratic or republican idea. Governor Ryan actually went to prison on his own crimes. But, in many states like Illinois, the police are so corrupt that innocent people have been tortured to false confessions.

[Logical]

22. He would never say the assine statement you made! nt

[Jgarrick]

29. Of course not, he's a skilled politician.

The fact remains that on this issue I'm on his side...and you're not

[Logical]

34. 292 posts! Hmmmmmm

[Jgarrick]

37. Mm-hmmmmm!

[AtheistCrusader]

40. Oh, he doesn't sound nearly as bloodthirsty as you do.

"While the evidence tells me that the death penalty does little to deter crime, I believe there are some crimes—mass murder, the rape and murder of a child—so heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment."

[nomorenomore08]

45. I'm generally anti-DP, but he does have a point there.

But accepting that some folks probably deserve to die doesn't remove the many "issues" associated with capital punishment.

[AtheistCrusader]

54. In a way, but the first sentence does it for me.

No deterrence effect. (At least, little to none demonstrated comparing DP/Non-DP societies.)

Which means, it's a vengeance thing. I can understand the desire, but it is not for me. Not for me, myself, and not for my government, which represents me. I can kill in self-defense, but once the person is incarcerated and separated from society, I cannot make a case for self-defense.

[nomorenomore08]

55. Agreed all around. n/t

[MohRokTah]

7. He'll die in prison.

Even if he's sentenced to death, he'll die in prison, and the fuck knows it. He also knows the Aryan Brotherhood will protect him in prison until his last breath.

[lunasun]

42. +1

[jeff47]

25. Why do you want to cut short his suffering?

Life without parole is a nice, long death sentence. With many years to "enjoy" your time in prison.

Why cut that short with an execution?

[Jgarrick]

31. The fact that 99% of death row inmates don't attempt suicide is proof that they disagree with you

They obviously prefer life in prison to death.

[jeff47]

32. Yeah, it's not like they're searched constantly for contraband

Let the man rot.

[Jgarrick]

36. And yet prisoners (including death row inmates) do, on rare occasions, manage to attempt suicide.

let the man rot.

Given how absurdly long it takes to execute prisoners in United States, you're virtually certain to get your wish.

[Ghost in the Machine]

43. He's 73 years old, how long do you think he'd last? He certainly wouldn't suffer, he'd be a.....

"celebrity" among prisoners. As for your comment about death row prisoners not committing suicide, you *do* know they are isolated and on 23 hour/day lock down, with one hour of supervised exercise daily, and get to shower once a week, right??

Even if they *don't* want to kill themselves, who cares? They didn't care that the people THEY murdered didn't want to die, did they? Even the ones in general population don't care, and many have killed again while serving a life sentence because they think "what are they gonna do? Lock me up?? I'm ALREADY locked up for life!! What's the difference??"

I know many innocent people have died, and even one innocent is one too many, so that's why I support a moratorium on executions up to a certain date, maybe ten years ago or so, since we have better technology and DNA testing now. If it's a clear cut case, with DNA evidence, video or eyewitness accounts and a confession, the death penalty should be carried out in a swift and sure manner. No more lingering around for 20 - 30 years, being housed, fed, educated and getting free medical and dental services on the taxpayers dime. Where's the free medical and dental for the hardworking taxpayer who can't afford insurance, or doesn't have it available through their jobs because the Corporations don't work them 40 hours/week, allowing them to bypass the laws for insurance on full time employees??

I won't lose sleep over a mass murderer, serial killer or baby raper/killer taking the needle or electric chair. My thoughts are more with the victims and their families, not molly-coddling murderers or worrying about their "feelings".

Ghost

[bowens43]

51. sad to to see this kind of pro state murder nonsesne on here nt

[Jgarrick]

53. Lawful executions do not meet the legal definition of murder.

[MohRokTah]

4. So the SPLC won a lawsuit against the murderer in the 80s

Figures a long time racist would be the perp.

[JaneyVee]

6. More rightwing terrorism.

[kelliekat44]

15. The government should act swiftly against these hate crimes and anti-government terrorists.

Expect more of this kind of hate as these ignorant fools are fed their daily dose of hate from talk radio, FOX, the NRA and the GOPers in Congress.

[Loudly]

11. Former candidate for Governor, Senator and Congressman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_Glenn_Miller,_Jr.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. It is April

when the nuts and cooks do come out and unfortunately kill people.

[Archae]

17. I'd still like to know why.

We do know of his unreasonable, illogical hatred of Jews, but why now?

Why in the first place?

Is he getting old, wants his name back in the "big-time roster" of white supremacists?

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I was being serious

it is April, with the birth and death of Hitler, and Easter, for these people it is a witches brew.

And yes, when they get up there in years at times they decide to make a final statement (while they can) before they die.

And this is an irrational hatred. I highly recommend a history of antisemitism course. Same shit, different century truly. And Jews around the world have a passport and savings and one foot on the boat all the time for that reason.

[zappaman]

28. Apparently it's April.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Passover's starting.

That's main fucked up reason that pops into my head.

[Archae]

47. I wish I could say to you that you're dead wrong.

You could be right, with these Jew-hating bastards.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. Simply horrible.

I guess the one bright spot is, at least they caught the fucker.

[Behind the Aegis]

49. Always a possibility.

I, too, am wondering what "set him off" on this particular rampage. I read an article he was gambling, so I am wondering if there is a "money" reason involved.

[LittleBlue]

18. Piece of filth

Rot in prison or hell, I don't care

[PasadenaTrudy]

20. One of those

three name deals again.

[progressoid]

21. White Nationalist?

Shocked.

[geretogo]

23. I will bet he was a avid Limbaugh , Hannity , and Fox listener . They are spawning these sub human

creatures . I would give him life in an all black Liberian prison .

[xmas74]

26. There were high school kids there auditioning for an "American Idol" type show.

The two victims from the community center weren't Jewish. I've already received an email about praying for all the victims and the congregation. No one has mentioned the victim from the nursing home yet.

The center had a busy day. I've read about the musical auditions, an audition for To Kill a Mockingbird and an umpire camp all going on at the community center today.

[zappaman]

30. Hope he enjoys his twilight years in jail.

Just kidding.
I hope he's fucking miserable.

[struggle4progress]

33. Kansas Jewish Center Shooting Suspect Identified as Former KKK Leader

April 13, 2014
By GILLIAN MOHNEY and DEAN SCHABNER

... Fraiser Glenn Cross Jr., of Aurora, Mo., was taken into custody in the parking lot of an elementary school near the scene of the shootings, and was booked on a charge of first degree murder, according to the Johnson County, Kansas, Sheriff's Office.

Cross is an alias for Frasier Glenn Miller, the former KKK leader, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center ...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-kansas-jewish-center-shooting-identified-kkk-leader/story?id=23310932

[Sunlei]

41. would rather this 71 year old spawn of the KKK spend the rest of his 'craptastic' life in prison.

Let his case be very public in the courts so everyone can see the blight these hate groups add to our society.

Keep him alive, don't give him the euthanasia, 'good death' escape.

[Behind the Aegis]

44. His interviews for Missouri candidate...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8234967
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8078917
(David Packman) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x539560

[maddezmom]

50. Vile POS

[JEFF9K]

52. How will the fraudcasters (talk radio and Fox) spin this story?

They will find some way to attack liberals. Maybe support the arming of retirement community residents.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

58. They'll bring up the KKK/Democrat connection.

Not realizing that racism, anti Semitism, anti unionism, anti gun control, states rights (the policies of the KKK) sound an awful lot like the policies of a certain political party today....

[B Calm]

56. Another gun crazy racist republican. .

Didn't he run for congress a few years ago?

[etherealtruth]

57. Despicable vile creature

I have nothing else to say