5-Year-Old Accidentally Shoots 2 Children At S.C. Birthday Party

[Stuart G]

Talking Points Memo

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/accidental-shooting-5-year-old
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Caitlin MacNeal – April 14, 2014, 4:55 PM EDT

A 5-year old on Saturday accidentally shot and killed a 7-year-old and injured a 5-year old at a Gaston, S.C. birthday party, police told WOLO TV.

The child accidentally took a loaded rifle from the trunk of a car while looking for a toy gun that was also in the vehicle, according to investigators.


The bullet hit the 7-year-old girl in the chest and the 5-year-old in the arm, the Lexington County police told WOLO News.

Investigators did not know whether they would be pressing any charges

[villager]

1. If only the other two children were armed, this never would have happened!

Why do gun grabbers limit "open carry" to those 18 years old and up!!??

[Jenoch]

20. Why are you using sarcasm and sick humor in the face of a tragedy such as this?

[geckosfeet]

38. How so? Your original comment is lame and actually quite sick given the circumstances.

I am 2A advocate and in no way feel as if I am contributing to this situation. I store my firearms properly and children do not have access.

This tragedy was caused by improper storage and access. The owner(s) of the firearm should be charged - there should be absolutely no question who is at fault here.

If owners understood that they will be charged with a crime and potentially not be able to own a firearm should they be found to be at fault for something like this, perhaps safe storage might become more widely adopted.

Letting a child have unsupervised access to a loaded rifle is a crime.

[villager]

41. Was I replying to you? Nonetheless: More guns = more dead children

As inconvenient as that is for the proliferationists

[geckosfeet]

42. Get a grip - its a discussion board. Nonetheless - more guns does not = more dead children.

As much as you would like to think so.

[villager]

43. Unfortunately, it does. Much as you depserately need to wish away that blood-soaked fact.

n/t

[joeybee12]

50. Yeah it does...

Statistics are statistics, and NRA talking points are nothing more than hot air.

[Bortman33]

60. Try answering this question.

How many children will die from gunshots if there are no guns?

MORE GUNS = MORE DEAD CHILDREN!

[geckosfeet]

64. Or, how many angels can dance on the head of pin?

I suggest strengthening storage and access laws. As well as providing enforceable punitive recourse for violations.

[Bortman33]

67. You didn't answer the question!

I'll give you a hint, the answer starts with a z!

Every gun added after that increases the odds of a child being shot!

[pipoman]

70. If there were no guns there would be no gun deaths

But back here on this planet, in this country there are guns. They are not going away in our lifetimes. Every single year since the invention of guns, the number of guns has increased...without fail. In the last 30 years the number goes up by the millions every year. Yet the cdc says the number of accidental shootings has declined steadily for over 40 years. So no, more guns do not equal more gun deaths.

[geckosfeet]

76. In theory yes. But how do millions of firearms magically vanish?

In the meantime how about we get real and enact some useful legislation?

[pnwmom]

69. More guns = more gun crimes, including more dead children.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/gun-ownership-gun-deaths-study

Guns do not make a nation safer, say US doctors who have compared the rate of firearms-related deaths in countries where many people own guns with the death rate in countries where gun ownership is rare.

Their findings, published Wednesday in the prestigious American Journal of Medicine, debunk the historic belief among many people in the United States that guns make a country safer, they say. On the contrary, the US, with the most guns per head in the world, has the highest rate of deaths from firearms, while Japan, which has the lowest rate of gun ownership, has the least.

The journal has fast-tracked publication of the study because of the shootings at the Washington navy yard. It was originally scheduled for later this week.

It follows an emotional appeal from a doctor at the trauma center in Washington where the victims of Aaron Alexis' random violence were taken. "I would like you to put my trauma center out of business," Janis Orlowski, chief medical officer at MedStar Washington Hospital Center, told reporters in the aftermath of the massacre. "I would like to not be an expert on gunshots. Let's get rid of this. This is not America."

SNIP

[nomorenomore08]

81. Not by itself, but combined with other cultural factors, having a gun for every person in the

U.S. helps contribute to our insanely high rate (by First World standards) of gun violence. I certainly don't support blanket confiscation or anything close to it, but those who resist even the mildest controls - like universal background checks - are very much part of the problem.

[geckosfeet]

87. Criminals will not obtain guns through channels that require background checks.

That said - some type of federal level background check for new gun sales is probably useful to some extent. But it will cost money and infrastructure. It will create some jobs.

[Crunchy Frog]

95. How lucky for them that so many channels don't require them.

[geckosfeet]

97. Logistics and infrastructure is all it will take. A few billion to build out

new hardware, a few million for software, and a multi-level government effort to integrate systems and agencies.

Probably makes the ACA look like a walk in the park.

[Crunchy Frog]

115. BS. Expand the requirement for background checks to all gun transactions.

If someone transfers a gun illegally and gets caught, throw the book at them, especially if that gun gets used to commit a crime or an act of violence (including the "accidental" kind).

It's only rocket science if you're a gungeoneer.

[geckosfeet]

121. Demonstrating your lack of information on the topic.

Who will do the bgc's?
Where will they be done?
What databases will be used?
How does data get into and shared across databases?

Fyi - the states do bgc's for new gun sales use various databases. There is no common database. Some states have zero requirements for bgc's. No state requires bgc's for all sales.

Is the system supposed to materialise out of woo and magic sparkle dust?

So sorry, there is no magic unicorn bgc system.

[Crunchy Frog]

122. I guess it will take someone with more than two brain cells to rub together.

That will pretty much exclude the Einsteins in the Gungeon.

Hey, goood news. The tree of Liberty has been watered once again. http://election.democraticunderground.com/10024831454

[geckosfeet]

123. Ahh. Abuse. Enjoy your wonderful life.

[cui bono]

82. More guns = more dead children. Read the news. It's a fact.

It's happening way to much. Are you really okay with that?

[geckosfeet]

88. No. I am not ok with that. That's why I suggested higher levels of training requirements

around storage and access. And stronger updated laws around storage and access.

In my state the regulation for gun storage simply says locked container. The trunk of a vehicle was once considered a fairly safe locked container. But modern vehicles often provide trunk access through a fold down rear seat. Or even worse,, a latch that pops open the trunk from inside the vehicle. These laws need to be revised an updated.

Penalties for allowing your firearm to be accessed by an unauthorized child or person should also be revised.

Are you ok with that?

[gopiscrap]

104. Yes it does: in fact,

more guns equals more death period. As soon as the gun humpers learn that, the better we'd all be!

[Thor_MN]

49. As an advocate for more firearms, you have the idiots that don't store them safely on your side

You don't get to disown them because they are idiots. If we can't get everyone to to control their weapons, it may be that all weapons need to be controlled.

[cui bono]

83. Exactly. Every time some moron leaves their loaded weapon accessible to a child

the gun nuts want to say oh well, they weren't a responsible gun owner so they don't count. No, every gun owner counts. Especially when they are irresponsible. That's the point.

[pnwmom]

68. The comment wasn't sick. The unnecessary gun death is what is sickening.

The poster was pointing out the ridiculousness behind a typical argument used by the NRA -- that if more people carried guns in public, everyone would be safer -- which is even more obviously not true when the gun victim is a child. But most adults are no more capable of appropriately defending themselves, with or without easy access to a gun, to a sudden, unexpected gun attack, than that child was.

[geckosfeet]

98. What is sickening is trying to use the tragedy for emotional impact.

[pnwmom]

102. No,that's just true. It IS sickening when a child violently dies.

The emotional impact is inescapable.

[gopiscrap]

105. The gun issue is politics

in politics, you use every opening and chance you can to frame the narrative!

[derby378]

109. There's a difference between framing the narrative and acting like a smartass

And when someone responds to a tragic event by acting like a smartass, you call them on it.

[gopiscrap]

116. That's true

but you also respectfully use actual events to personalize your political campaign on an issue.

[Jenoch]

54. Nothing in my post can

be construed as defending 'gun proliferation'. In fact, I said the person responsible should be prosecuted.

[Bandit]

30. A completely preventable tragedy, if only America wasn't completely awash with guns.

How many more children must die?

[gopiscrap]

106. Exactly..if you own a gun, you're part of the problem!

[joeybee12]

52. He/she is not the only one...that's the NRA response to

any gun tragedy...arm more people....and thier sick twisted lies are easily exposed whne something like this happens.

Take a gander at the other responses...

[Jenoch]

58. I've never been a member of the NRA

but I'm quite sure they have never lobbied to allow 5 and 7 year old children to walk around with loaded guns.

[TheCowsCameHome]

62. Not on the record, anyway.

[cui bono]

84. They may have. I know I've heard gun nuts advocating children using loaded weapons. n/t

[pnwmom]

66. The poster is pointing out the illogic of a typical argument of the gun lobby,

a lack of logic which is particularly obvious when the victims are children -- but holds for most adults as well. Having easy access to a gun doesn't mean you will use it appropriately in the face of unexpected gun violence.

[Jenoch]

71. Not even the gun lobby promotes children

carrying or having access to guns. It is sarcasm at the expense of children.

[pnwmom]

72. It is not at the expense of children. No child suffers because someone here

exposes the fact that gun violence is increased where more people own and carry guns, and that carrying a gun is very unlikely to mean that you will be able to protect yourself and/or to respond appropriately when faced with a sudden and unexpected attack by a shooter, whether you are 7, 27, or 77.

[Jenoch]

89. Yes, it is at the expense of children.

It is sarcasm/humor at the expense of children. Even the most emphatic RKBA people do not promote this sort of abuse, yet anti-RKBA people do. It is sick.

[pnwmom]

91. Nope -- the humor is at the expense of the idiots who propound the theory

that having more guns around prevents more gun violence.

[Jenoch]

92. That might be the case at another time.

But naking jokes on a thread about a dead child is at the exoense of the child. Nobody that nade those 'jokes' mentioned the idiot who left a loaded weapon where a child would find it.

[bowens43]

103. probably because we expect the gun fetishists to jump in and say it has nothing to do with guns.

guns are the problem. period. end of story. No one should be able to own a gun.

[Jenoch]

108. "No one should be able to own a gun."

What's your plan to accomplish this goal?

[valerief]

2. See what happens when you don't give guns to all children?--Gungeoneer logic. nt

[lame54]

13. Should have been in their goody bag...

joked aimed at wingers reponses

nothing funny about this situation

[agbdf]

3. Tragic

[Stuart G]

4. Yes, tragic... nothing else to say...

[GReedDiamond]

75. Actually, there is something else to say,..

...this kind of shit is totally avoidable, were it not for irresponsible "responsible" gun owners.

I'm betting the responsible (for the "tragedy&quot irresponsible gun asshole will not be charged with any crime.

In time, we'll see...

[peace13]

101. He/she may get away without being charged but....

unless it was his children that were shot there will be a price to pay. Somebody better have deep pockets! This is so sad. Think about it...why would a child need a toy gun at a birthday party anyway? I once was at a car show and this couple brought their seven year old along. He had a toy semi automatic gun and he spent his hour hiding behind trees and stalking people. Can't parents see that gun play in crowds, even with a toy is not smart.

[valerief]

5. What's tragic is that charges won't be pressed and this will happen over and over and over again. nt

[Stuart G]

7. Perhaps if charges were placed..and got lots of publicity.

Perhaps, people would be more careful. And think about where they put them, and who might get at them. These things kill people.
Why is a five year old having access to this?

[valerief]

10. Publicity like Newtown? Lotta good that did. People need to be put away

for leaving loaded guns around.

[Crunchy Frog]

17. Tragic stupidity on the part of this country and its legal system.

[Crunchy Frog]

15. Not tragic, criminal. There's a difference.

[tosh]

6. "Investigators did not know whether they would be pressing any charges"

'cuz it's perfectly sensible to throw the toy gunz in with the real gunz on the way to a small kid's birthday party.

[FreakinDJ]

9. Put any other siblings in protective custody until this idiot gets a brain

[cui bono]

85. And to leave a loaded rifle in the trunk where you allow your child to go looking for a toy.

Unsupervised too, since the child was able to walk off with it and shoot two other children.

[arcane1]

8. Keeping a loaded rifle and a toy gun in the same location. Brilliant.

"Accidentally" sounds wrong in cases like these, where a child is deliberately pointing a gun and pulling the trigger, but it turns out the gun is real.

[sakabatou]

11. Loaded gun, improper safety

The parents should know better on how to put their gun a safe place, like a lock box or locker.

[Cali_Democrat]

12. If only the 7-year-old girl and 5-year-old boy were armed...

...this tragedy could have been prevented. <<<<----- GUN NUT LOGIC.

[enough]

14. Enough! All our outrage at the stupidity of these things will never make a dent.

We need to have serious criminal penalties for failure to secure firearms in proximity to children.

[Logical]

19. +1000! n-t

[yuiyoshida]

61. This!

[nomorenomore08]

78. + 3000

And I am hardly in favor of repealing the Second Amendment. But sometimes stupidity should be a crime.

[Crunchy Frog]

16. Don't know if they'll be pressing charges???!!!!

The owner of the gun is guilty as fuck. This failure to impose accountability is part of what keeps gun owners so irresponsible.

Gun owner is guilty of murder as far as I'm concerned.

I'm fucking sick of this crap that people get away with, just because they're exercizing their precious 2nd Ammendment rights.

Poor 5 year old will live with guilt that's not his for the rest of his life.

[Logical]

18. I am pro-gun, but there should be automatic jail time for all gun injuries.....

caused by not securing guns from young children.

Weekends in jail for a year or 2.

[Stuart G]

23. Outstanding point...

Automatic Jail Time!!! Yes..
This is about absolute stupidity. and........sadly

This indeed will be repeated over, and over, and over..........etc.

How hard is it to secure guns from young children?

[Logical]

26. No extra time. And lock a few parents up and the word would get out. Secure your guns from....

the kids.

Hell, I know a paranoid friend who has his gun on his headboard at night. But he still locks it up when he gets up in the morning.

[Brigid]

45. Does your paranoid friend have any kids in the house?

If he does . . . Well, you know the rest.

[sarisataka]

25. Agree but

too lenient. Full time sentence if an injury results. Weekends could be for those who allow access but no injuries result

[Logical]

27. I see your point......

I am just not big on taking a potential money maker away form the family when maybe the kid that was shot needs money to recover.
The father loses his job and is in jail would not help the kid who was injured.

[Bandit]

34. Same logic would apply to a thief.

Why put them in jail since they are the bread provider for their family? Hell why even have a jail? I guess just to put those black and brown people in...

[Logical]

36. Really??? Intentional act vs. unintentional.

[Bandit]

46. The gun was intentially left in the car.

Since it was involved in a shooting it is criminal neglect. Intentional neglect. Unless you are referring to the child.

[Art_from_Ark]

63. The rifle was left in the trunk

Technically, you could say it was "in the car", but it was not out in the open, and it was presumably in a locked space.

[cui bono]

86. Well then they intentionally unlocked it for the child to rummage through it.

Or intentionally gave the child the keys.

And intentionally did not supervise the child as the child rummaged through the trunk where they loaded rifle was since the child was intentionally left to wander off with the rifle and kill another child.

[Art_from_Ark]

90. With some cars, you can open the trunk without a key

Pull up a lever or push a switch to open the trunk. Maybe the parents had that kind of car, and did not think a 5-year-old would be able to figure out how to open the trunk like that

[cui bono]

93. Then they intentionally left the car unlocked for anyone to get in and grab a loaded rifle.

Still idiotic and negligent.

Especially since they obviously weren't keeping an eye on their kid either.

[Art_from_Ark]

125. Just for speculation,

Let's say that the mother did not know that there was a rifle in the trunk, and that this was a rural area where people who are visiting friends/relatives often do not lock their cars. For example, I will lock my car if I am parked in a place that is unfamiliar or easily accessible to the public. But if I'm visiting a relative out in a low-crime rural area, then I often won't lock up. If the mother had the same habit, would she still be legally negligent in that situation?

[Logical]

65. Robbery is very different. If you don't understand that then no need to discuss. nt

[Crunchy Frog]

118. A robbery with no deaths or injuries is very different

from a case of gun negligence that results in dead and injured children. Damned right!

[Logical]

119. Intent. Look it up. nt

[nomorenomore08]

79. Sad, but the father should be in jail, and his children at least temporarily relocated.

Purely for their own safety, mind.

[sarisataka]

35. An understandable position,

however it seems leniency in prosecution has not helped reuse these incidents. IMO love of your children, or other's, should be reason enough to follow all safety practices. Since that isn't happening, maybe fear of jail might push some into taking time to act responsibly.

[Logical]

37. I agree, Seems like even the extreme pro-gun people would want the guns secured. nt

[Duckhunter935]

53. I think all firearms owners here agree

with safe storage and harsh penalties for misuse or negligence.

[Crunchy Frog]

59. Require insurance on the gun?

[oneofthe99]

32. No

Not if it takes a life

[Jenoch]

21. The person responsible for having a loaded rifle in the trunk of a car needs to be prosecuted.

The people on this thread using sarcasm should be ashamed of themselves.

[G_j]

33. What's left but sarcasm?

nothing changes, more children will die.

[3catwoman3]

22. These are NOT...

...fucking accidents. These occurrences are flat out negligence and utterly inexcusable, as it will be if no charges are pressed.

[cyberswede]

24. I feel ill.

Those poor children! And I include the 5 year old as one of the victims of this totally preventable accident.

[oldhippie]

28. All stupid people ....

... should be imprisoned.

[avebury]

31. This is hardly news.

There is absolutely nothing new about children getting a hold of loaded guns and either killing themselves or killing and/or injuring others. Society consistently fails to hold gun owners legally liable for these incidents. Society consistently fails to protect children in these situations. It makes no differences what so ever how much people talk about the tragedy of these situations because nothing will ever change. As long as groups like the NRA argue that gun ownership is absolute and gun owners should not be held accountable for irresponsible actions and the masses fail to stand up to these groups, nothing will ever change. I am no longer moved by these stories and it is a waste of time to even discuss them.

[Initech]

39. If you have kids keep your fucking guns locked the fuck up!!!!

It's that fucking simple!

[mindwalker_i]

40. Did they send hime to time-out?

Did they send the gun to time-out?

[madinmaryland]

44. Another fucking responsible gun owner.

[Ed Suspicious]

47. But swimming pools kill people. Am I right? Come on. Guns don't kill people bad guys with guns

kill people.. etc etc.

[Ilsa]

48. Hell yes, press charges against the gun owners.

Make an example of them.

[Auntie Bush]

51. Maybe this could have been prevented if...............

All the children at the party had weapons and weapon training as soon as they could walk/ talk or carry a rifle!

[randr]

55. This is NOT an accident

When a child is able to get possession of a gun a crime has been committed.

[Warren DeMontague]

56. Ugh.

[Liberal_in_LA]

57. sad

[rocktivity]

73. Investigators don't know whether they'll be pressing charges?

Against who -- the kid?

There's nothing "accidental" about leaving a loaded shotgun in the trunk of a car. Charges had damn well better be filed against the owner of the gun and/or car!


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[Iggo]

74. Dead children are the price we pay.

[SheilaT]

77. About thirty kids are killed or injured every day by guns in this country.

And every time one of these incidents is reported there's all this hand-wringing on the part of the gun apologists about negligent adults, as if these were "accidents".

No. They are the direct result of the idiotic gun laws in this country. That many killed and injured children is NOT an acceptable price. I'm just waiting for the day when someone who publicly supports our gun laws actually says something like, "I don't really mind that my niece (or son, or grandchild) was killed with a gun, because it's just what happens and protecting the right to own guns is much more important that those lives."

Yeah, I would just love to hear someone say that.

It is never acceptable for children to be killed or injured this way. And stop just moaning about the irresponsible adults. It's the culture of gun worship.

[Stuart G]

94. This is incredible..30 kids killed or injured every day....just think about that one..no text.

[Arugula Latte]

117. No other "civilized" country would put up with this insanity.

The gun lunatics have taken over completely. Just hope it's not you or a loved one who gets in their sights.

[nomorenomore08]

80. Those who resist any restrictions on guns whatsoever, may live to regret it.

As it is, we could have reasonable gun control, and most current owners could probably keep their guns.

But decades from now we may end up with gun laws too draconian even for my taste.

[alcibiades_mystery]

96. I find out whether there are guns anywhere near the premises before I allow my children there

You should, too.

My position: people who keep guns in the house with small children are bad parents. Full stop, and I don't give a fuck what you think about it. Not only do I not trust them to safeguard their guns (they're all "responsible" until shit like this happens, and then it's too late), I simply don't trust their judgment. I don't trust them to serve good food or make sure the rest of their house is safe or generally take care of their own children, much less mine.

My children are not allowed in the homes of gunners. Period. You can't get this little girl back with dumbshit Second Amendment nonsense. She's dead now. DEAD.

[Jenoch]

107. I keep all of my guns in a locked safe.

The ammunition is stored separately in a locked locker. If you were shown those two locked devices, would you allow your children into a home with a similar gun storage situation? Let's assume you both know and are friendly with such neighbors.

[alcibiades_mystery]

110. No. The guns are a symptom of greater carelessness and lack of good judgment

I don't trust you or anybody who keeps guns in a home with small children to be good parent. Not allowed. Done, finito, end of story. I'm not risking my children's lives to people with such poor judgment.

[Jenoch]

111. It's poor judgement to keep guns locked up?

Wow. Just wow.

[alcibiades_mystery]

112. It's poor judgment to keep guns in a home with small children, locked up or otherwise

It's a symptom of having bad priorities--generally loving silly little toys over the lives of children. You can live that way, but my children aren't going to be even temporarily in the care or under the threat of somebody with such ridiculous priorities and, yes, poor judgment so long as I can help it.

No gunner homes. Period.

[Jenoch]

114. I bet your children have been in many homes with guns present.

You just don't know it.

[hack89]

113. Do you also check their liquor cabinets?

what about there medicine cabinets? How do you ensure they are not alcoholics or drug abuser?

Or is it only guns (I think we can guess the answer).

[raccoon]

99. I wonder if the families of the dead and injured child could bring a civil suit against

the irresponsible owner of the gun?

It boggles the mind that things like this happen over and over....and no consequences to the irresponsible gun owners.

[marions ghost]

100. Parents get jail

--that would go a long way to stopping this wanton disregard for human life.

[rocktivity]

124. Works for me

...(T)he children were outside...when the 5-year-old asked his mom if he could get his toy gun out of the trunk of her boyfriend’s car. The(y)...didn’t realize the boyfriend kept a loaded gun in the trunk, and...the boy...accidentally pulled the trigger.

The bullet went through the trunk. and its fragments struck the girl in the chest and another boy in the arm...(T)his was a preventable accident and could have been stopped by using a gun lock or supervising the boy when he went through the trunk.
(link)

Yep, the boyfriend should sure be looking at some charges. Were keys needed to get into that trunk, or was the vehicle involved and SUV - type vehicle with an area behind the back seat?


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[marions ghost]

126. Charges and real time

--that is the ONLY thing that speaks to these losers.
So many times, it's kids doing the "accidental" killing. And kids getting killed. Idiocracy.

Nothing accidental about this. Negligent homicide.

[tarheelsunc]

120. Why does the article blame the child?

"The child accidentally took a loaded rifle from the trunk of a car while looking for a toy gun that was also in the vehicle, according to investigators."

This sentence makes no mention of why the child was allowed to access a car trunk containing a gun or who allowed it to happen.

[rocktivity]

127. UPDATE

Mother of slain Lexington County girl wants answers, ‘justice’

Lexington County deputies are investigating the fatal shooting of 7-year-old Juliet Lynch...The rifle is a single-shot FEG, manufactured in Hungary, deputies said...

• The shooting occurred when the mother of the boy who fired the rifle unlocked a car’s trunk so he could retrieve a toy pistol. Instead, he unintentionally grabbed the rifle, and it fired through the right rear of the car.

• The boy’s mother said she didn’t know the loaded rifle was there. The weapon and car belonged to a boyfriend of the mother. He was unaware she was going to the car, and no one else knew about the rifle.

• The man’s possession of the weapon is permissible under state standards. U.S. Alcohol, Firearms and Tobacco agents have been asked to review his eligibility to own a weapon under federal standards...

[center][/center]

How did she come to have his car keys -- by having a set, or by asking him for them?

The bullet went through the rear of the trunk when the boy accidentally touched it? Would the average five-year-old's arm be long enough to reach the trigger? Curiouser and curiouser...


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[Stuart G]

128. In the early 90s, there was a story about a woman who claimed

that she was hijacked at a corner, going west, and no one saw it caused she was stopped at a red light and there were no cars coming from any direction.......so the so called "kidnapper killed her two sons, and left her to die..ok..so the cops put out an all points on an Afro - American man who fit the description...And this went on for a few weeks. They looked and looked, but like rocktivity says....Curiouser and curiouser......so guess what? ..The cops knew she was not telling the truth from the beginning...how is that possible????

Well...if you are traveling west on that street...and there is no one there at two other corners that the light is at...you know ..right and left...well that street was set up..so that if no one is there, the traffic going east and west is always is green ..only when cars approach from the left and right will the signal automatically change..But, she said that there was no one there, there were no cars there to see the hijacker/intruder get in ...It turns out that the woman drowned her two sons in order to please a boyfriend..she has got life in jail..

If this story about the shotgun is a lie, as it gets stranger and stranger.. they will find out..
Often...these stories are lies to protect someone else...

Here is a link to the woman who drowned her sons.
...Susan Smith..The whole ugly story..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith

[Liberal_in_LA]

129. not again!