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global1

(25,244 posts)
Fri May 2, 2014, 11:39 AM May 2014

Help Me Refute - A Friend Of Mine Just Said Obama Is A Terrible Foreign Policy President....

I would like to provide him with some facts that refute that and am looking for some suggestions.

He got us out of Iraq. He caught Bin Laden. He's pulling us out of Afghanistan. We're getting the chemical weapons out of Syria. Sure Putin is giving the President some grief now - but the President is using economic sanctions instead of letting this escalate into a war.

The President was served well by Hillary Clinton and IMHO John Kerry is doing a fine job.

What else can I point out in the President's defense here?

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. Just ask him why...
Fri May 2, 2014, 11:45 AM
May 2014

He can't just make a claim like that without something to back it up and it shouldn't be up to you to refute a baseless claim.

unblock

(52,209 posts)
2. you could point out that at least his mom's white, they might listen to that.
Fri May 2, 2014, 11:47 AM
May 2014

seriously, bigotry is just about the only justification for saying obama is "terrible" at foreign policy.

one could reasonably argue that he's great, above average, average, perhaps even below average (i think that's a stretch, but one could argue it i suppose).

but "terrible"? get real. shrub was a complete and utter freaking disaster, quite possibly the worst foreign policy president ever. obama's a god next to him.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
3. What foreign policy initiative is he complaining about?
Fri May 2, 2014, 11:53 AM
May 2014

Is it the policy with Ukraine? Syria? The Trans-Pacific Partnership? Korea? The Pivot to Asia? The attempts to contain China? The Keystone XL pipeline (yes even that is foreign policy because it is working with Canada.)

Foreign policy is a god-awful huge subject. Without knowing what your friend is thinks is good foreign policy or bad foreign policy, it is impossible to help much?

Foreign policy criticism from right wing sources accuses Obama is being soft on our perceived enemies. We didn't go to war in Syria, invade the Ukraine, or grab Kim Jong-un by the neck and rap his head against a brick wall. From the left, it is often trade policy like the Trans Pacific Partnership that sells American jobs to the lowest bidder, or our policy in Ukraine that appears to be driving the US into another World War, rattling sabers at Korea, pro-corporate policies such as the Keystone XL Pipeline..

So, is your friend Conservative, Liberal, Progressive, Centrist? Throw us a bone.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
5. From President Obama's interview with Fox news in Malaysia. Here on another DU link:
Fri May 2, 2014, 12:04 PM
May 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024882448

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, Ed, I doubt that I’m going to have time to lay out my entire foreign policy doctrine. And there are actually some complimentary pieces as well about my foreign policy, but I’m not sure you ran them.

Here’s I think the general takeaway from this trip. Our alliances in the Asia Pacific have never been stronger; I can say that unequivocally. Our relationship with ASEAN countries in Southeast Asia have never been stronger. I don’t think that’s subject to dispute. As recently as a decade ago, there were great tensions between us and Malaysia, for example. And I think you just witnessed the incredible warmth and strength of the relationship between those two countries.

We’re here in the Philippines signing a defense agreement. Ten years ago, fifteen years ago there was enormous tensions around our defense relationship with the Philippines. And so it’s hard to square whatever it is that the critics are saying with facts on the ground, events on the ground here in the Asia Pacific region. Typically, criticism of our foreign policy has been directed at the failure to use military force. And the question I think I would have is, why is it that everybody is so eager to use military force after we’ve just gone through a decade of war at enormous costs to our troops and to our budget? And what is it exactly that these critics think would have been accomplished?

My job as Commander-in-Chief is to deploy military force as a last resort, and to deploy it wisely. And, frankly, most of the foreign policy commentators that have questioned our policies would go headlong into a bunch of military adventures that the American people had no interest in participating in and would not advance our core security interests.

So if you look at Syria, for example, our interest is in helping the Syrian people, but nobody suggests that us being involved in a land war in Syria would necessarily accomplish this goal. And I would note that those who criticize our foreign policy with respect to Syria, they themselves say, no, no, no, we don’t mean sending in troops. Well, what do you mean? Well, you should be assisting the opposition — well, we’re assisting the opposition. What else do you mean? Well, perhaps you should have taken a strike in Syria to get chemical weapons out of Syria. Well, it turns out we’re getting chemical weapons out of Syria without having initiated a strike. So what else are you talking about? And at that point it kind of trails off.

In Ukraine, what we’ve done is mobilize the international community. Russia has never been more isolated. A country that used to be clearly in its orbit now is looking much more towards Europe and the West, because they’ve seen that the arrangements that have existed for the last 20 years weren’t working for them. And Russia is having to engage in activities that have been rejected uniformly around the world. And we’ve been able to mobilize the international community to not only put diplomatic pressure on Russia, but also we’ve been able to organize European countries who many were skeptical would do anything to work with us in applying sanctions to Russia. Well, what else should we be doing? Well, we shouldn’t be putting troops in, the critics will say. That’s not what we mean. Well, okay, what are you saying? Well, we should be arming the Ukrainians more. Do people actually think that somehow us sending some additional arms into Ukraine could potentially deter the Russian army? Or are we more likely to deter them by applying the sort of international pressure, diplomatic pressure and economic pressure that we’re applying?

The point is that for some reason many who were proponents of what I consider to be a disastrous decision to go into Iraq haven’t really learned the lesson of the last decade, and they keep on just playing the same note over and over again. Why? I don’t know. But my job as Commander-in-Chief is to look at what is it that is going to advance our security interests over the long term, to keep our military in reserve for where we absolutely need it. There are going to be times where there are disasters and difficulties and challenges all around the world, and not all of those are going to be immediately solvable by us.

But we can continue to speak out clearly about what we believe. Where we can make a difference using all the tools we’ve got in the toolkit, well, we should do so. And if there are occasions where targeted, clear actions can be taken that would make a difference, then we should take them. We don’t do them because somebody sitting in an office in Washington or New York think it would look strong. That’s not how we make foreign policy. And if you look at the results of what we’ve done over the last five years, it is fair to say that our alliances are stronger, our partnerships are stronger, and in the Asia Pacific region, just to take one example, we are much better positioned to work with the peoples here on a whole range of issues of mutual interest.

And that may not always be sexy. That may not always attract a lot of attention, and it doesn’t make for good argument on Sunday morning shows. But it avoids errors. You hit singles, you hit doubles; every once in a while we may be able to hit a home run. But we steadily advance the interests of the American people and our partnership with folks around the world.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
6. People will believe what they want. He could be good on 99% of things
Fri May 2, 2014, 12:05 PM
May 2014

but some people would look for the bad (like FOX) and hold it up as being the summation of who he is.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
7. Tell him to read "Manhunt: the 10-Year Search for Bin Laden"
Fri May 2, 2014, 12:10 PM
May 2014
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0064C3U64/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Reading this book raised my respect for Obama's intelligence, thoughtfulness and foreign policy smarts considerably. He listened to everyone who had anything useful to say, deliberately sought out the voices of those who disagreed with him, made tough decisions when appropriate, and successfully got the job done.

Unlike certain other ex-Presidents I could mention.
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
10. why not simply ask which specific foreign policy is the problem?
Fri May 2, 2014, 12:21 PM
May 2014

the nebulous concern is no better than the statement "I want my country back". I always ask, "back to what?"

JHB

(37,160 posts)
11. In addition to the above, does he think a Pres. McCain or Romney would have been better?
Fri May 2, 2014, 12:32 PM
May 2014

Both of them surrounded themselves with the same gaggle of neocon hawks who surrounded Bush and when Saudis and Egyptian terrorists attacked us, used it as an excuse to launch their pet project since the 90's, ousting Saddam.

Or perhaps worse, the younger proteges of Bush's people, all eager to make a reputation for themselves as foreign policy gurus, no matter how much blood and money is spilled to do it. They were on record as wanting to overthrow the governments of Libya, Syria, and Iran, and are still hankering for the latter two.

Exactly what does this friend think we'd be able to do about Putin and Ukraine when McCain or Romney would have our forces tied up in more wars in the Middle East?

brush

(53,776 posts)
14. Dictators out in Egypt and Libya . . .
Fri May 2, 2014, 02:15 PM
May 2014

without troops on the ground, Syrian chem weapons coughed up without firing a shot, no war in Iran . . . just a couple of things you can add.

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