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The Numbers Dont Lie: Jeb Bush Cant Beat Hillary Clintonthe Daily Beast
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/05/the-numbers-don-t-lie-jeb-bush-can-t-beat-hillary-clinton.html
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In general, he appears to fare no better against Clinton than any of the other Republicans, and in some polls worse. Look at some of the numbers amassed at the Real Clear Politics site. In a recent Colorado poll, Bush did worse against Clinton than Paul, Mike Huckabee, and Chris Christie. (Paul even led Clinton by five points in this poll, suggesting that the libertarians stoners are all in for him.) In a Wisconsin survey, Clinton led Huckabee by 12 and Bush and Paul both by 11. In a national Marist poll from April 15, Clinton led Paul Ryan by eight, Christie by 11, Huckabee by 13, Paul by 14, Cruz by 15, and Bush by 16. Thats rightdead last. Behind Cruz. Yes, were talking margin of error stuff here, but still, when they crunched the numbers, Bush was dead last.
In almost every head-to-head poll against Clinton you look at Bush is down there with the packa couple of points better than Marco Rubio, a couple worse than Christie, and so on. All of them are typically anywhere from eight to 15 points behind her.
Bush doesnt have problems just against Clinton. The NBC/Journal survey found that among animated partisans, 58 percent liked Paul and only 44 percent viewed Bush favorably. A WMUR New Hampshire poll recently found Bush in a distant fourth place behind Paul, Christie, and Ryan. More typically in GOP primary polling, Bush is in the first tierbut he is never clearly in front, the way an establishment candidate is supposed to be.
Hes ham-handed, and hes been terrible at generating any positive attention for himself in the last couple of years.
So whats the problem? For one thing, Bush has real liabilities. He hasnt been in office for eight years. Hes simply a little out of practice. His interventions over the past yearhis book, for examplejust havent done for his profile what he hoped. That statement about undocumented immigrants coming to America illegally as an act of love was all right by me, but Im not a GOP primary voter. And even I thought that was kind of an odd way to put it. Hes ham-handed, and hes been terrible at generating any positive attention for himself in the last couple of years. For a rich guy who doesnt have to work, that shouldnt be so hard. Remember how back in the mid-2000s, GOP operatives speaking on background used to drop quotes in the press averring that he was the smart one? Well, lately Ive been thinking maybe George was the smart one.
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Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Democrats are likely to hold the Whitehouse.
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)Statements make me very uncomfortable. If the media wants the Republican to win, it's still pretty much going to happen. Sadly, we're all still a bunch of sheep to be herded, and most voters only tune-in for a week or two around the election, most Americans don't pay attention to the primaries, and a lot of people who should be maniacally voting for Democrats in every election, don't even bother to vote.
And we slide to the right, to the right, to the right, and eventually Democrats seem almost as right-wing as Republicans of the 1970s and 1980s.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Beat that old Benghazi drum. Orders from the Kochligarchy
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)I'll piss and moan but will still vote for Hillary and the baggers will piss and moan but still vote for Jeb.
And in the end we all lose no matter what.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)voter FLOORS of around 40% each, even if they run a turnip and a pumpkin as their respective candidates. It's kind of depressing.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Great way to get people to look at the page though.
doc03
(35,336 posts)2008? Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)You got that, right?
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)Warren would do against the Republican contenders. And what we really don't need IMO is another Clinton-Bush election.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)And many of us are very interested in how Clinton will perform against Republican contenders and really want to see a Clinton-Bush matchup.
See how that works?
doc03
(35,336 posts)and 2016, I think it is dangerous to think Hillary can't be beat. Myself I don't care to have any more Clinton's or Bushes. Well maybe Chelsea some day.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)How you read anything else into that or my comment is just bizarre.
doc03
(35,336 posts)a Republican can beat Hillary. Karl Rove still can't figure out how President Romney lost. This Benghazi bs isn't over yet if they keep digging they may just find
something. Myself I am not so excited about another Clinton, I guess that is better than a Bush if that is our choice. Bill Clinton took a major part in the demise of the middle class with his NAFTA and banking deregulations, will Hillary be any better?
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Last edited Wed May 7, 2014, 08:26 AM - Edit history (1)
And frankly, I don't give a rat's ass whether you care about the the poll.
I think you have a problem with the poll which is why you're grasping at straws, reading different things into the poll and the people responding to the OP and using it as an opportunity to spew the same "progressssssiiiivveee" lines about the Clintons like it's original or something. Guess what? VERY FEW PEOPLE CARE.
Your reactions are pretty much like the conservative reactions to the presidential polls in 2012.
doc03
(35,336 posts)president and skip the election. Frankly I would be more concerned about 2014 than some fictitious match up
two years from now. A big part of our problems today came from the Clintons, I would much rather have a real
Democrat myself.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)from the start.
Clinton had an 88% approval rating among Democrats, but Obama and Edwards also had approval ratings of nearly 70%. Then they were all followed by a gang of circus midgets with approval ratings of around 20% (Dodd, Biden, and Richardson having the highest scores), but there were essentially three giants.
(http://www.people-press.org/2007/08/23/clinton-and-giulianis-contrasting-images/)
Thus, Clinton was the front runner in a three way race. In a triangular race like that, anything can happen (and did).
This time around it's different, because Clinton is ahead of all other possible contenders by nearly 50 points. I can't see anything happening but a coronation.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)but why have we become a nation where the main qualification for the presidency is family legacy? I'd vote for Hillary were she the democratic nominee but I don't necessarily see why she should be.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)"why have we become a nation where the main qualification for the presidency is family legacy?"
We haven't. What makes you even ask that question?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If we have to keep retreading then same damn families, Monarchy style, at least that'd be a change from Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)When you've got a Senator father, who has a son and possibly two grandsons who became Presidents (and governors), THAT'S a freaking MONARCHY. Even the Kennedy's couldn't top that one. The only country that can top that is North Korea, with the Kim dynasty of useless twits inheriting their father's throne.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)A monarch is "the sole and absolute head of a state, either in reality, symbolically or in an encumbered manner. A monarch typically either inherits sovereignty (often referred to as the throne) by birth or is elected monarch and typically rules for life or until abdication"
A Clinton v. Bush campaign doesn't remotely resemble that, there is no law barring members of the same family from running for president.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)That's where ordinary citizens have little to no influence on the on the decisions their government makes.
Electing a president is more like being given the opportunity to choose the hood ornament of the limousine driven by the real monarchs who finance our elections.
As far as hood ornaments, I'm for Hillary. I picture her in a long flowing dress, perched on one foot her hair flowing in the breeze..
Who wants an old paunchy Jeb Bush on the hood of a limo? Besides his head is way too big. He'd make a better bobble head, made in China of course and placed on the dash.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)This isn't about who is running the government. It isn't even about who is getting elected. It's about who people prefer is elected. Citizens have plenty of influence on who gets elected.
Sorry man, Hillary is the frontrunner at this moment. No other Democrat, progressive, liberal, whatever even runs close. That isn't some dark conspiracy.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)from what was once the middle class to the ultra-wealthy in modern history and it hasn't really mattered who occupies the White House.
Other than the obligatory populist campaign rhetoric it's been years since we've had a Democratic President who was willing to use his position to change the balance of power in this country.
"Dark conspiracy" gives the impression that anyone who questions our current political system is imagining that the deregulation of Wall Street, corporate friendly trade agreements, unlimited political corporate monetary influence, two tier justice system, years of unpopular wars, etc hasn't had a major effect on our lives.
Sorry man, but it's the media who has the major roll in who becomes the "front runner" in this country and who owns the media? If you haven't noticed by now what passes as network news in this country is nothing much more than entertainment and a distraction then enjoy the show.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)with the US chocolate industry. Hard to believe but that is what I am getting from your posts. Wait.....where did this all start?
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)I don't know if I can bring myself to vote for a candidate who's made millions from her public service and still chooses to eat "canned" ravioli.. Kind of shows a general lack of judgement and good taste don't you think?
I think I'll hold out until we find out what Elizabeth Warren has for supper..
Armstead
(47,803 posts)So yes there are similarities.
And regardless of how you technically define it, in a nation of millions of people, we can't look beyond two families who are entrenched in the Oligarchy to run?
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)In a nation of millions of people, we can definitely look beyond two families. And in 38 presidential elections, we have. And we can in 2016. Vote for who you like.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)My guess is that they hate the idea of having to eat lunch next to African Americans at the Woolworth Counter worse than they hate the idea of hippies toking on doobies, and boys kissing each other. I'm not terribly surprised.
LuckyTheDog
(6,837 posts)... but I will be looking at other candidates in the primaries.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)There are no "numbers" that mean squat right now. There is no "can't". Just pollsters and pundits needing to grab attention and justify their existence.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)But I fucking well hope not. The day a Bush gets back into office is the end of our nation, and we are already on shaky ground.
7962
(11,841 posts)Yes, I'm tooting my horn. But my opinion hasnt changed--the GOP cannot and will not band together to support their nominee. Either the far right will stay home, or they will run a candidate who will not appeal to independents.
You see people here on DU who do NOT like Hillary, but WILL vote for her over a GOP candidate
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Left, too, but I am not encouraged.
Initech
(100,075 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)And he had millions more votes than Baby Doc Bush.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)tofuandbeer
(1,314 posts)So, I don't want to relax.