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Obamas Top Economist Has Some Problems With Pikettys BookThe French economist Thomas Pikettys book on the future of inequality is the buzz of the economics world this season. Now President Obamas chief economist has weighed in on its thesis, the first time a senior administration official has discussed it in detail. And he is skeptical of some key assumptions upon which Capital in the Twenty-First Century, Mr. Pikettys sweeping book, is based.
Jason Furman, the chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, grappled with Mr. Pikettys book in a speech on the global economy in Ireland on Wednesday.
Mr. Furman starts with a relatively straightforward description of Mr. Pikettys arguments and the rise in inequality in the United States over recent decades, trying to peel apart how much of that broad story greater inequality in income and wealth than in the past is attributable to changes in how people are paid for their labors and how much to a shift in returns and ownership of capital.
There has been an increase in inequality within labor income, Mr. Furman argues. At the top end, superstars in fields like finance and sports are paid more than ever, both in absolute terms and relative to typical workers. Meanwhile, wages have been depressed at the middle and lower income brackets by such factors as technological change, a decline in unionization and a decline in the inflation-adjusted minimum wage.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/09/upshot/obamas-top-economist-has-some-problems-with-pikettys-book.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-upshot&_r=0
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Translates to still no new taxes on the 1%ers and to all you who think Obama is Robin Hood, dream on ...
Shandris
(3,447 posts)I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
"Well see, just because it has constantly and consistently increased doesn't mean it always will. If we have a horrific depression, return on capital could hit zero, then inequality wouldn't be growing at all! Well, yes, this also means it wouldn't be -shrinking- any, but hey, who's counting, right? Screw those workers anyways."
Vattel
(9,289 posts)The article does say: "There is no sign he is embracing the more radical solutions for rising inequality that Mr. Piketty recommends, such as drastically higher taxes on income in the highest brackets or a global 2 percent tax on wealth."
MindMover
(5,016 posts)"There is no sign he is embracing the more radical solutions for rising inequality that Mr. Piketty recommends, such as drastically higher taxes on income in the highest brackets or a global 2 percent tax on wealth. For now, wrestling with the ideas contained in Capital, rather than the policy proposals, is the best that Piketty fans are going to get from the Obama administration."
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)He's not advocating "drastically higher taxes" or a wealth tax, according to the article.
That isn't at all the same as advocating "no more taxes on the 1%ers."
FSogol
(45,481 posts)MindMover
(5,016 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)that Congress is the entity that passes new taxes. The executive branch can't enact a new tax.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)(1) there is no sign that he embraces a drastically higher tax on income in the highest brackets or a global 2% tax on wealth
and
(2) he says no more taxes on the 1%ers.
Even if 1 is true, for example, he might be considering higher taxes on the rich (even if not drastically higher).
MindMover
(5,016 posts)MIGHT BE CONSIDERING, while hundreds of thousands of children starve because of some greedy bastard ....
so where is the wealth tax ....?????????????????????????????
Vattel
(9,289 posts)MindMover
(5,016 posts)okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)MindMover
(5,016 posts)to move out ....
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)nm
QC
(26,371 posts)like how the president's chief economist is an admirer of Milton Friedman who considers WalMart a "progressive success story."
Look! Look! Over there!
brush
(53,776 posts)is inaccurate. The article does not say the Obama Admin says no taxes on the rich.
The poster should stop with misleading headline.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)So you are saying that Obama's economist said that he would tax the 1%ers ...
I guess you read a different article .... ?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The person you are responding to didn't make a claim.
Pointing out the fact that your claim is false is not the same as making some alternative claim like the one you attempted to attribute to them.
You're just digging a deeper hole.
Make7
(8,543 posts)Looks like it could still use some improvement.
brush
(53,776 posts)Article never says anything about "no new taxes on the rich" coming from the Obama Admin.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)inequality problem. In fact it looks like he is, at best doing nothing, at worst, working to make it worse e.g., the TPP.
Tighten your belts, the Blue Dog/Republican coalition work for the oligarchs.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Buying governments so that wealth beyond measure can be handed down to a new generation of heirs, theirs.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bets AND BUY SOME DEMOCRATS. But that thought makes it too complicated. Democrats = Good and Republicans = Bad. These sad souls think that if the Republican Party would disappear today, then we would live in heaven.
otohara
(24,135 posts)so there's that!
Make7
(8,543 posts)MindMover
(5,016 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)which he mastered while performing on Manhattan streets for tourists some 20 years ago. His act included tossing knives, burning torches and even a bowling ball.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Furman
QC
(26,371 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)Most of them are only highly paid because they can set their own wages (like Hedge Fund managers) or get their friends to set their wages (like most CEO's). Unlike in sports, where there are direct metrics to gauge performance, in the CEO world one gets cases like the Target CEO getting 55 million to go away after failing to keep is customer databases secure. Or the JP Morgan CEO Jaime Dimon who got a massive raise even though his company was paying large fines for criminal behavior that happened under his watch. Performance has nothing to do with it.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"No more Taxes on the Rich (1%ers) says Obama's Economist ...."
...I didn't see where that's stated, and also considering the President's budget released in March
By Jeanne Sahadi
President Obama on Tuesday released a nearly $4 trillion budget proposal for 2015 that includes more generous tax breaks for working families while scaling back breaks for the rich.
His budget, while not expected to be enacted by Congress, does offer the president's fiscal policy vision for the country...the White House says Obama's blueprint sticks to the topline spending limits already set by the House and Senate for 2015.
But the plan also features a $56 billion growth and investment package that includes money for universal pre-K, infrastructure and job training. Obama proposes to pay for those initiatives through additional spending restraint and increased revenue.
Impose a "Fair Share Tax": As he has called for before, Obama wants Congress to implement the so-called Buffett Rule, which would require people making over $1 million to pay at least 30% of their income, after charitable contributions, in federal taxes. <...>Cap the value of deductions for high-income households: Obama wants to limit the value of itemized deductions, as well certain tax exclusions, to 28% of the amount claimed. <...>Limit savers' combined balance across tax-preferred accounts: The president wants to prohibit contributions to tax-advantaged retirement accounts once a person's combined balance exceeds a certain level. Such accounts include IRAs and 401(k)s. <...>Raise the estate tax: The president wants restore the 2009 estate tax exemption levels and estate tax rate.
- more -
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/04/pf/taxes/obama-budget-taxes/
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Is not the same as new taxes which are called for in the book, "Capital"
nice try ...
"while scaling back breaks for the rich."
That means reducing tax breaks, but is that in the OP article?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... to get it off the ground.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)MindMover
(5,016 posts)That is exactly what I read ...
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)After all, nowhere does he advocate not doing so...
MindMover
(5,016 posts)"In addressing his recommended policies for fighting global inequality, Mr. Furman mentions longstanding priorities of the Obama administration, such as expanding access to preschool, striking international trade deals and raising the minimum wage.
There is no sign he is embracing the more radical solutions for rising inequality that Mr. Piketty recommends, such as drastically higher taxes on income in the highest brackets or a global 2 percent tax on wealth. For now, wrestling with the ideas contained in Capital, rather than the policy proposals, is the best that Piketty fans are going to get from the Obama administration."
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Indeed, he didn't mention taxes at all. As the article states, "There is no sign he is embracing ... drastically higher taxes . . ." There being no sign is not the same as someone outright rejecting the idea.
Perhaps by default, that is equivalent to what your header says. But it's not true that he "said" no higher taxes. What, indeed, would even be the point of that? There is no chance in hell that the administration, even if it desperately wanted it, would get a wealth tax past the Republican House of Representatives. Their job is to address the issue of inequality--which they have been doing steadily for a number of years--through the kinds of policies they might actually be able to effect in the real world, at this moment.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)and I am tired of playing the political ballgame of "in the real world",
because in my real world, I have seen the ravages of poverty firsthand and the idiocy of austerity due to lack of political backbone ...
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)MindMover
(5,016 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Lemmeno when we're back to the tax rates under Eisenhower.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)What the last paragraph says is
There is no sign he (Mr. Furman) is embracing the more radical solutions for rising inequality that Mr. Piketty recommends, such as drastically higher taxes on income in the highest brackets or a global 2 percent tax on wealth.
But the author never asked Mr Furman about the taxes, nor does he know if Mr. Furman supports it or not. It's pathetic writing and a dishonest title by a DU er.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)using Obama's name and tying it to someone else's opinion as if there is some policy in the making. Benghazi!!
MindMover
(5,016 posts)and a budget is not an economists opinion .... via ProSense ...
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)The author didn't ask him, the author doesn't even know. The author has zero information about where the Obama admin or Mr. Furman stand on raising taxes. All he says is ther is no sign he is embracing Mr. Piketty's recommendation of drastically higher taxes on income.
How desperate and pathetic must one's argument be to have to lie about something so simple?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)you are just not.
In fact, all of you responses are solidifying my opinion of your inability to accept that you blew it.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Better to concede that you should have used a more precisely accurate title than to continue to dig yourself in deeper.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)But even that claim is not evidenced in the article in question.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)Pelosi wanted legislation to repeal them immediately, Obama said no let's let them expire because the economy is weak (and we all know that tax cuts for the rich are GREAT for the economy!)
Then, people started talking about extending the Bush tax cuts even after they were supposed to expire. Various upper limits were mentioned, $250,000 was mentioned, 500,000, 1,000,000. The definition of "rich" was debated vigorously.
And guess what the actual limit turned out to be? Infinity! ALL of the Bush tax cuts were extended.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)which will happen when pigs fly ... greased pigs at that ...
Make7
(8,543 posts)[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]It is possible, he says, that lower growth would lead the rate of return on capital to fall even more rapidly, which would "push in the direction of less inequality."[font style="font-size:0.8462em;"]
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/09/upshot/obamas-top-economist-has-some-problems-with-pikettys-book.html[/font]
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Look there are more poor people so there is less inequality ...
Make7
(8,543 posts)... so I guess in that sense "InEquality will continue".
Is that the solution though? To make everyone's after-tax income exactly the same?
MindMover
(5,016 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)We have a pretty recent example of that in 2007/2008. Massive unemployment is what happens to the "rest of us". And the poor little rich folks don't make quite as much money. How will they EVER get by on the millions and billions they've got hoarded.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I think the title would be more accurate if it read, "Jason Furman doesnt see Obama making any radical changes to fight inequality."
He did say,
Which is unfortunate because, unlike Furman, I dont think that the growing gap of inequality will reverse itself without radical solutions.
He also said,
IMO this is way inadequate to reverse the widening inequality gap. And I would like someone to explain to me how "international trade deals" will reverse the inequality gap.
Make7
(8,543 posts)[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]No Taxes on the Rich says Obama's Economist ....
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]No Taxes on the Rich (1%ers) says Obama's Economist ....
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]No more Taxes on the Rich (1%ers) says Obama's Economist ....
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]InEquality will continue, says Obama's Economist ....
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]NO radical changes to fight inequality, says Obama's Economist ....
If a discussion about the article was desired, perhaps using the title of the article for the thread title would have accomplished that better.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)criticism of the President and be more careful with their subjects.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)around here.
I've seen this type of thing before. The RWers I debated against on another board used to take one small inaccuracy and sometimes not even an inaccuracy, just a debatable point in a post and TOTALLY ignore the main thrust of the post while harping on that small part of it. This type of argument has been around for a while. I'm used to it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)are desperately holding on to their dream of Camelot.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)In fact, the huge and growing gulf started with enacting NAFTA and the others.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)To funnel working class anger into the ballot box, where that anger can be directed away from the 1%.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)He already wrote the book. You should read it some time.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)observation.
Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)quote?
Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)some real reforms and stand up for the middle class when she wins the presidential election in 2016!
IDemo
(16,926 posts)"superstars"??
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Would it really be so hard to come up with a non-dishonest title - something like "Obama's economist says nothing on the subject of radical changes to fight inequality" or "Obama' economist proposes non-radical changes to fight inequality"?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)The cited article was published yesterday, and concerns a meeting that took place yesterday.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Its been retitled about 4 times ... each time providing misleading, outrage inducing, variations.
Marr
(20,317 posts)It seems to me that the OP has simply tried to settle on a more accurate title.