Blood-Soaked US has No Business Opposing Sovereignty Plebiscites

[eridani]

http://www.nationofchange.org/blood-soaked-us-has-no-business-opposing-sovereignty-plebiscites-1399909321

The rot at the core of US international relations, domestic politics and the corporate media is evident in the American approach to the Ukraine crisis.

Just look at the freak-out from all quarters as the people of the eastern part of that country conduct, under conditions of attack by military units sent in by the Kiev putsch government, a peaceful plebiscite asking people to give their view as to whether they want some kind of sovereignty separating them from western Ukraine.

The official US State Department position on the balloting in Dohansk and Luhansk... was that the voting was "illegal" and "an attempt to create further division and disorder."
"The United States will not recognize the results of these illegal referenda," State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki.

The White House called the voting “illegitimate” and “illegal.”

The US has not once called the violent coup that overthrew Ukraine’s elected government illegitimate or illegal.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

1. "The US has not once called the violent coup that overthrew Ukraine’s elected government..."

"....illegitimate or illegal."

You know why that hasn't happened?

Because that would require what happened several months back to fit the definition of a "violent coup."

By the way, if you honestly thought the "referendum" over the weekend was in any way, shape or form legitimate, this Floridian here has some swamp land to sell you. DU polls have more legitimacy than the "referendum." And no, I'm not joking.

[eridani]

3. What Nazis? I don't see no Nazis.

Svoboda!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

7. Svoboda is best charactarized as ultranationalist.

And yes, ultranationalism is bad and these are not a great bunch of guys by any means. But these are a minority party.

If you are going to be throwing around words like "Nazi", you need to actually back those words up with facts. You know, people who think the Holocaust was a good thing, or that Hitler was a good guy.

Now, you do have people on the pro-Russian side in the east claiming that Stalin was good, but I guess that doesn't matter, right?

[TorchTheWitch]

9. well, try this

[markpkessinger]

4. It may not have been a "violent coup" . . .

. . . but it is still a coup, and the government we are now supporting in Ukraine is a far-right gang of nationalist thugs.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

6. It was a regime change.

And while all coups are regime changes, not all regime changes are coups.

Here, the former President Yanukovych choose voluntarily to leave the country on his own accord, essentially abdicating his powers. Needing someone to govern the country until new elections could be held, an interim government was appointed by Parliament, comprised entirely by elected members of Parliament.

The only ultranationalist party with representation in the Ukrainian government is Svoboda. They hold a total of 3 of the 21 seats in the cabinet and constitute approximately 8% of parliament. It is very reckless to claim that the entire Ukrainian government is ultranationalist based on those numbers.

[msongs]

2. "As a convenience we have already marked the ballots for you" - V. Putin lol nt

[MohRokTah]

5. Transparent elections mean transparent ballot boxes

That way those leading the violent coup in Eastern Ukraine know who votes the wrong way. This allows them to come back later and kill them.

[joeybee12]

8. Nation of Change might just as well be the Putin Daily...nt