Man gets 60 days in slapping death of daughter. Doesn't even have to serve them consecutively

[snagglepuss]

The reason he gets such an easy ride is that the victims siblings say putting their father in jail for longer would harm the family.
That is really effed up.


snip

Sidimé, 74, pleaded guilty to manslaughter after slapping his 13-year-old, Nouténé, so hard that an artery in her brain ruptured.


According to testimony in his 2011 preliminary hearing, Sidimé slapped his teenage daughter twice for not doing a chore in the manner he had instructed.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/moussa-sidim%C3%A9-gets-60-days-in-slapping-death-of-daughter-1.2649142

[shenmue]

1. Incredible

Really disgusting.

[MissDeeds]

2. Can't help but wonder

if the sentence would have been more severe had it been a son. I'd really like to take a slap at him...

[whathehell]

7. I had the same thought. n/t

[BlancheSplanchnik]

10. I absolutely thought the same thing...

And I thought, if the killer had been the mother.....


This is sickening

[whathehell]

25. Really and truly is sickening..

Apparently, the laws and sentencing for violent crimes are pretty lax in Canada.

One poster just told me that a passenger on a bus randomly chopped off the head

of another and Canadians were proud that he MIGHT get 9 years!

Freaking A, how would you feel with THAT guy walking around after 9 years?

I'll take our tough sentences for violent crime any day!

[BlancheSplanchnik]

27. WTF????

That is. ....just beyond.....what the fucking hell?

I'm totally in favor of tough sentencing for violentcrime...always have been. That is unimaginable.

[whathehell]

32. It scares me just thinking about it..

I'm all in favor of tough sentences for violent crime as well.

I don't even have a hard time with the death penalty for certain case.

[JVS]

41. Canada doesn't have a prison industry as entrenched as we do.

One of the side effects of a system as draconian as ours is that systems that are not as exacting seem relatively soft.

[whathehell]

42. If they give 60 day sentences for killing your teen daughter, maybe they should.

No, sorry, I don't think giving a sentence exceeding 60 days for killing your kid,

or one giving MORE than, rather than "at least" 9 years, for beheading a stranger,

can be called "draconian". If that's draconian, I'm all for it.

[Tsiyu]

3. Travesty

So you can kill your kid and get 60 days.

What a wonderful world.

And what fine siblings the poor girl had....

[kcr]

4. Sadly that is a common opinion

I recently got into an argument with another DUer over this. It's an extension of the belief that children are property. The consequences of punishment to a family never seem to get discussed much unless the victim is the child themselves. But then apparently they're supposed to suck it up and endure rather than be removed to safety.

[devils chaplain]

11. I think many, many of us have been slapped as hard as a 74 year old man could muster...

... I know I have. I'm not forgiving this (I disagree with all corporal punishment), but I understand why they wouldn't throw the book at him. It could've been my parents, or my parents' parents, etc...

[kcr]

18. It's not that I don't understand the sibling's motivation

It's perfectly understandable, but it's yet another reason why justice isn't supposed to be based on what the victims want or need.

[GeorgeGist]

19. and your parents should be in jail.

[Sister to TxTowelie]

21. Why are you assuming that he's frail because of his age?

"...as hard as a 74 year old could muster." Although he didn't look like a large man in the photo, he might be stronger than a lot of 40 year-olds. Genetics, occupation, diet, and lifestyle might have provided him with a strong physique for his age.

[whathehell]

43. I wouldn't call a five to six year sentence for killing your kid

"Throwing the book at him"...This is an appalling insult to the victim.

[TBF]

5. Ridiculous - in other countries it would be illegal

for him to slap her at all. Not so here - where women, children, animals are all viewed as chattel.

[whathehell]

9. This happenend in Canada. n/t

[AverageJoe90]

6. 60 days.....are you kidding?

[whathehell]

8. Hard to believe this happened in Canada...The sentence is an outrageous insult. n/t

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

20. No it's not

A guy beheaded a random passenger on a bus up there, and Canadians were proud he might get nine years for it.

[polly7]

22. I've never heard that here.

Everyone I talked to about it was outraged and hoped he'd be shut up somewhere for a hell of a lot longer than that, either in a psychiatric hospital or prison.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

36. I frequent a non political board with a lot of Canadians

It was an off topic subject that came up, and I found the majority were acting like nine years was a lifetime or something.

When the American posters suggested, you know, life....it was like "My God, no you can't do that, he only mentally ill. He'll get good treatment and be fine. You Americans don't have any answers other than lock 'em up and throw away the key"

[whathehell]

44. Really?..Jeebus, it doesn't matter if he's "mentally ill" or not,

he's fucking dangerous, and, yes, I'm sure a guy who goes on a bus and

chops off a stranger's head, will be "just fine" after nine years.

You should have asked them if they'd like to live next door to him when

he's released. .

[whathehell]

24. OMG...Thanks for the heads up!

I didn't realize their laws were so lax.

People may say US laws are too tough (and for non-violent crimes they often are) but

murder and mayhem?...Screw it, I'll take the strict route any day.

[Orrex]

26. Heads up?

Interesting choice of words...

[whathehell]

33. Oops..I just got it!

Must be a subconscious pun.

[McCamy Taylor]

12. Most 13 year old's don't have an intracranial hemorrhage from being slapped.

Punched, maybe. Hit in the head with a tire iron, sure. I am not sure that you can say that he intended to kill his daughter by slapping her twice. I would bet that he was extremely surprised that she died. I know a whole lot of parents who have slapped their teenaged kids and been slapped back by their teenaged kids and no one has ever gotten hurt.

Look at it this way. If this was two women in a fight, and one of the women slapped the other women---slapped, not punched, not hit over the head with a bottle--and somehow the slapped one died, would you think it appropriate to send the killer to jail for life? And the man is 74. Not 54. Not 34. This is an elderly man

[joeybee12]

13. The article doesn't read the way you're interpreting this...

It does say he slapped her hard enough so that it ruptured, the guy is a POS, 74 or not, and I'd be willing to be this wasn't the first time and won't be the last.

[snagglepuss]

16. "I'd be willing to be this wasn't the first time and won't be the last."

That's the clincher. I'm infuriated that just because he doesn't have a police record for violence that authorities assume he has never been violent. There is no way in hell that this was the first time he physically assault one of his kids.

[laundry_queen]

23. That pissed me off too

It's been on the news here in Canada and listening to his family make excuses makes me want to vomit. 60 days is an insult. Guaranteed it wasn't the first time. Typical dysfunctional family - circle the wagons. ugh.

[Warpy]

29. She probably had a congenital aneurysm

and that's what ruptured. But yes, it had to be one hell of a slap to do it.

I feel so sorry for the girl. Growing up in a family of screamers and face slappers is horrible. Growing up in a family where the older members hit the younger is worse. Growing up in a family where a full grown male feels entitled to hit children is by far the worst.

[snagglepuss]

14. There's slapping and SLAPPING. He slapped with such power it killed her.

He held nothing back. He had no compunction about it. She was just 13. The pig needs to serve serious time for taking her life.

[JVS]

17. Your argument seems to run counter to the Eggshell Rule/ Take the victim as you find them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull

[Brigid]

39. Yep, the "eggshell skull" rule we learned about in tort law class.

But I dunno how that works in Canada.

[treestar]

48. That's a civil rule about liability for injury

In criminal law, it is intent that matters most. The sentence might be "light" because there might not have been "intent to kill." True he intended an assault and that's horrible, but he did not intend to kill her, and that is worse. Has to punished as worse, no matter what happens.

[whathehell]

30. Whatever...He STILL deserves more than 60 days!

He might not get Murder One here, probably Manslaughter 1 or 2, maybe

Reckless Endangerment or Criminal Negligence, but even those get more

than 60 days!..You'd get more time here for Loitering.

[get the red out]

31. A hell of a lot longer than 60 days

What he got is in no way justice. He probably doesn't care, it was only a girl.

[Tanuki]

35. Per autopsy, he "slapped" her so hard her neck was twisted,

"An autopsy later concluded that the force of the blows likely caused her neck to twist in such a way that she ruptured an artery, cutting off the flow of blood and oxygen to the brain." (Sounds like a lot more violence was involved than the word "slap" suggests. He admits two "slaps" and another blow to the backside.)

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/05/21/quebec_man_who_killed_daughter_with_slap_gets_60_days_in_jail.html

[Orrex]

38. Sounds like the work of an asshole who's had a lot of practice beating his kids.

[WCLinolVir]

37. Are you kidding me? This creep admits "slapping" a kid for not performing a chore "correctly".

And you want to base an argument on his choice of words? I bet "slapping" is a euphemism for a fist. Sounds like violent child abuse. I have seen plenty of ugly, elderly men who are capable of physically violent offenses. Who is to say he did not use a weapon in his hand?? And the fact that an intra-cranial hemorrhage is extremely rare under light duress, and that's giving you the benefit of the doubt, because I think she would have to have a pre-existing condition to trigger her death, probably from this creep in a previous episode of abuse, should say to you that statistically, he is probably lying his sick ass off. Your next line contradicts you though "no one has ever gotten hurt."
Somehow you seem to avoid that conclusion in your own faulty argument.
Peace.

[LadyHawkAZ]

40. I don't think it was a euphemism for a fist

I think it means he was acquainted with the abuse laws and/or investigation procedures. A slap to the head doesn't leave a visible bruise, therefore schools and CPS are less likely to get suspicious and investigate. (yes, unfortunately I knew someone who did this, and got away with it for years)

You'd be surprised how much force can go into an open handed slap.

[get the red out]

28. Looks like it would harm the family

To have him available to beat another of his kids to death? Didn't the death of this child irreparably harm the family?

This is not justice, the court should realize those kids have been brought up by fear and force and their statement cannot be taken as fact.

[Orrex]

34. This is so stupid that I can't believe it didn't happen in the US.

[whathehell]

45. Believe it..

Too many Americans, especially those of a liberal bent, think everyone else does

everything better than we do...They don't, and this is a good example.

[Orrex]

46. There you go, denying American exceptionalism

It's not that I think other countries don't do stupid shit; it's just that we often seem to have a monopoly on certain kinds of stupid shit.

[whathehell]

47. That's right..I DO deny American Exceptionalism

in all forms.

We do some stupid shit, but when it comes to sentencing for violent crime,

it appears some other countries have the "monopoly" on stupid.

[treestar]

49. Americans are more punitive than other cultures

I would expect it to be the opposite - the same thing here would result in a longer sentence. Remember we have the greatest prison population of any country.