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kpete

(71,991 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:35 PM Jun 2014

KRUGMAN: How big a deal is the surprise primary defeat of Representative Eric Cantor? VERY.

The Fix Isn’t In
Eric Cantor and the Death of a Movement
PAUL KRUGMAN
JUNE 12, 2014

How big a deal is the surprise primary defeat of Representative Eric Cantor, the House majority leader? Very. Movement conservatism, which dominated American politics from the election of Ronald Reagan to the election of Barack Obama — and which many pundits thought could make a comeback this year — is unraveling before our eyes.

I don’t mean that conservatism in general is dying. But what I and others mean by “movement conservatism,” a term I think I learned from the historian Rick Perlstein, is something more specific: an interlocking set of institutions and alliances that won elections by stoking cultural and racial anxiety but used these victories mainly to push an elitist economic agenda, meanwhile providing a support network for political and ideological loyalists.

..............................

So whither movement conservatism? Before the Virginia upset, there was a widespread media narrative to the effect that the Republican establishment was regaining control from the Tea Party, which was really a claim that good old-fashioned movement conservatism was on its way back. In reality, however, establishment figures who won primaries did so only by reinventing themselves as extremists. And Mr. Cantor’s defeat shows that lip service to extremism isn’t enough; the base needs to believe that you really mean it.

In the long run — which probably begins in 2016 — this will be bad news for the G.O.P., because the party is moving right on social issues at a time when the country at large is moving left. (Think about how quickly the ground has shifted on gay marriage.) Meanwhile, however, what we’re looking at is a party that will be even more extreme, even less interested in participating in normal governance, than it has been since 2008. An ugly political scene is about to get even uglier.



more;
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/opinion/paul-krugman-eric-cantor-and-the-death-of-a-movement.html

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KRUGMAN: How big a deal is the surprise primary defeat of Representative Eric Cantor? VERY. (Original Post) kpete Jun 2014 OP
That's what we were saying.. thanks Krugman.. "Big Deal" Cha Jun 2014 #1
+1 Hekate Jun 2014 #6
Imv, the best way to push them back is show them for what they are.. Cha Jun 2014 #8
I really think people are looking too much into this yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #26
In the NC primary, Dr. Teabagger lost to Mr. Establishment... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #42
K&R.... daleanime Jun 2014 #2
The rejection of Cantor was a rejection of the "status quo". It was a rejection of the rhett o rick Jun 2014 #3
I think you are seeing this through a very tailored lense ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #12
There are a number of possible things that affected the vote including those that openly stated rhett o rick Jun 2014 #27
You know for tea-partiers ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #32
You know that Brat.. sendero Jun 2014 #45
No one knows much about Brat ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #46
Open Primary OLDMDDEM Jun 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author amandabeech Jun 2014 #25
This is the correct answer. nt woo me with science Jun 2014 #24
but it is also the embrace or more oligarchy Johonny Jun 2014 #29
I hope we both agree that Cantor was big time oligarch-run status quo. Cantor and his ilk rhett o rick Jun 2014 #30
Here is the long game: cheyanne Jun 2014 #4
The oligarchs that are funding both parties dont have a problem with rhett o rick Jun 2014 #31
What's the difference between the Taliban and the Tea Party? blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #5
You disparage the Taliban with that remark LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #19
It's got to be a bit more about Cantor's arrogance with his own consituents. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2014 #7
This is a fight between the money JoeyT Jun 2014 #9
The turf war has already begun ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #13
Our current crop of GOP/Tea Party shows what happens when crazy zealots get money SoCalDem Jun 2014 #15
This Is One Of The Final Fred Gilmore Jun 2014 #10
That Fred Gilmore kpete Jun 2014 #16
Excellent assessment, Fred! Plus, this picture makes me want to turn around & check MY back! NBachers Jun 2014 #28
Agreed, and one more thing... elzenmahn Jun 2014 #33
...and another thing.... elzenmahn Jun 2014 #34
great article! that analysis makes sense to me, BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #11
"Republicans mobilize voters with social issues, but invariably turn postelection to serving the 1%. pampango Jun 2014 #14
From a file I keep on governing... Grins Jun 2014 #17
I hope he's right that it's bad news for the GOP...I really believe he's correct joeybee12 Jun 2014 #20
Remember this scene from Raiders Of The Lost Ark? rocktivity Jun 2014 #21
LOVE it!!! calimary Jun 2014 #36
All I know is that if I were the swordsman, I would have wondered why Jones was just standing there. rocktivity Jun 2014 #40
For whatever reasons.... AlbertCat Jun 2014 #22
The Average Voter Already Has an Abysmally Low Opinion of Congress AndyTiedye Jun 2014 #37
I've met a few Right Wingers that claim being pro gay marriage is one of THEIR issues.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #23
Good riddance to the Movment Conservative. This cult has zonkers Jun 2014 #35
"Think about how quickly the ground has shifted on gay marriage." Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #38
The Republican Party is dying. This is merely Custer's Last Stand johnlucas Jun 2014 #39
VERY? Maybe not so much kg4jxt Jun 2014 #41
Yup, 65,022. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #43
repukes win by gerrymandering, suppressing votes and stealing elections Skittles Jun 2014 #44

Cha

(297,221 posts)
1. That's what we were saying.. thanks Krugman.. "Big Deal"
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:36 PM
Jun 2014
"An ugly political scene is about to get even uglier." yeah, and hopefully America will see it for what it is.

thanks kpete.

Hekate

(90,686 posts)
6. +1
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:15 AM
Jun 2014

.....but scary too. The RW nuts need to be pushed back to the fringe where they belong. They can cause terrible damage -- and they have done so.

Cha

(297,221 posts)
8. Imv, the best way to push them back is show them for what they are..
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:28 AM
Jun 2014

Freaking :scary: Hekate

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
26. I really think people are looking too much into this
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 04:53 PM
Jun 2014

I have heard a few voters say that Canter lost touch. Wouldn't visit the district, when he did visit, he would bring a bunch of secret service and had to go through them before talking with Canter. He was in Washington DC the morning of the election having a fundraiser. He was totally out of touch with the voters. That is why he lost.....not to mention, that he didn't even vote for himself???? Is that possible?

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
42. In the NC primary, Dr. Teabagger lost to Mr. Establishment...
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jun 2014

to run against Democratic Senator Kay Hagan... funny how Corporate Media didn't make such a big fuss about that.

I know of one DUer who lives in VA-7 and s/he had some interesting observations (there may be other VA-7 DUers, I'm just not aware of them). TARP, immigration, voting to re-open the government, steak dinners, blacks, whites, Hispanics, Indians, Cantor being a colossal prick... there are A LOT of variables.

This might shed more light:

http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/5121/eric-cantor

Just found this while Googling... dumping it here to read later:

Be brave, Republicans
Republicans must not misunderstand the meaning of Eric Cantor’s defeat

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21604155-republicans-must-not-misunderstand-meaning-eric-cantors-defeat-be-brave-republicans

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
3. The rejection of Cantor was a rejection of the "status quo". It was a rejection of the
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 12:46 AM
Jun 2014

oligarch run mush-up of most of our government politicians. Democrats need to take heed. Americans are sick of the "status quo". The far Right is obviously willing to do something about it. I hope the Democrats, instead of wallowing in the comfortable "status quo" and hoping the voters give them more time, will wake-the-fuck-up and campaign for CHANGE. Real CHANGE and not Obama change.

If you want a Republican victory in 2016, nominate "status quo" Clinton/Goldman-Sachs.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. I think you are seeing this through a very tailored lense ...
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 08:38 AM
Jun 2014

A lense that filters out all (political) reality, leaving only your ideological frame to be seen. Cantor's loss wasn't related to any republican rejection of any "oligarchical status quo"; rather, it was a product of VA's Open primary, where Democrats could game the republican primary (the turn-out was about double that of the 2012 (Presidential year) primary - teaparty participation cannot account for the increase in numbers),and a rejection of Cantor the man (his complete failure to maintain a connection to his home district).

Further, a Clinton ticket will not see anything similar for Democrats, other than self-described "real Democrats" loudly casting "tantrum votes" of sitting home, while the Democratic base does what it always does ... vote for the Democratic candidate.

The "real change" that you seek will only come incrementally, with a coalition of "big tent" Democrats pushing out obstructive republicans to enact progressively more progressive legislation.

That is the unvarnished political reality of this United States.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
27. There are a number of possible things that affected the vote including those that openly stated
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 05:29 PM
Jun 2014

that they were sick of the status quo, a war cry by Brat. We will see how other Tea Bagger candidates make out.

Most likely the big money candidate H. Clinton will win the primary and the base will follow along like good soldiers. And the incremental change that has been happening for the last 30 years will continue to the detriment of the lower classes.

If the Republicans continue to shoot themselves in the butt, H. Clinton/Goldman-Sachs wont need the left and wont have to pretend she wants to help the 99%. The left of the party has been disenfranchised by the Democratic Party Machine. Our only hope is to get a serious progressive candidate to give H. Clinton a run for her Goldman-Sachs money.

There are a lot of eligible voters that dont consider themselves in the Democratic base and they are sick of the status quo. These are the voters the Democrats should be trying to woo. Take a stand against Wall Street corruption, fix our infrastructure, vote down crippling trade agreements, repeal the Patriot Act, invest in the VA and not military buildups. H. Clinton isnt the one to take these on.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
32. You know for tea-partiers ...
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:56 PM
Jun 2014

the "status quo" means something completely different from what a Democrat or liberal means when they say it, right?

The left of the party has been disenfranchised by the Democratic Party Machine. Our only hope is to get a serious progressive candidate to give H. Clinton a run for her Goldman-Sachs money.


Well, have at it ... then we will see whether the base of the party is in the left of the party, the right, or somewhere in the middle. I would hazard to guess, we are somewhere in the middle.

There are a lot of eligible voters that dont consider themselves in the Democratic base and they are sick of the status quo. These are the voters the Democrats should be trying to woo. Take a stand against Wall Street corruption, fix our infrastructure, vote down crippling trade agreements, repeal the Patriot Act, invest in the VA and not military buildups. H. Clinton isnt the one to take these on.


I would see a lot of eligible voters do not consider themselves in the Democratic base because there are not partisan. I agree that Democrats should woo them, but I doubt this cohort really cares about "taking a stand against Wall Street corruption, vote down crippling trade agreements, repeal the Patriot Act, or investing in the VA and not military buildups, other than a passing interest ... far, far after jobs and education and the social safety net and jobs.

It is only us semi-comfortable folks that have the time, energy and interest in the non-survival issues.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
45. You know that Brat..
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 05:44 AM
Jun 2014

... railed against "crony capitalism" right? He is NOT the typical tea partier.

At a time in our country's history unlike no other where 6 years have passed and the economy is still on life support, Americans are starting to get a clue.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
46. No one knows much about Brat ...
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:13 AM
Jun 2014

Other than him being an odd Christo - libertarian mix. And in his opposition to "crony capitalism", he is closer to what the tea party thinks they are.

OLDMDDEM

(1,575 posts)
18. Open Primary
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jun 2014

Do we know if the Democrats voted Republican primary? That may have been the effect that turned the tables on Cantor. However, he lost is good enough for me.

Response to OLDMDDEM (Reply #18)

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
29. but it is also the embrace or more oligarchy
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jun 2014

Out with the old store bought Republican and in with the new... oh what is their difference again. There are dimes between the stances of Brat and Cantor. The only difference between a "pure" Teaparty guy and a "tainted" old Republican is the money hasn't started flowing to him yet. Listen to the guys views on the economy and pretend he won't be corrupted. How can he not since he was tailor made for the think tanks, big business, and lobbyists.

Brat is status quo, more gridlock on capitol hill. Pretending he isn't is fantasy.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. I hope we both agree that Cantor was big time oligarch-run status quo. Cantor and his ilk
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jun 2014

have been having fits with the TeaParty. They both cant be status quo. If you are saying that it's only a matter of time before Brat is bought and corrupted, I wont disagree. But my point is that Americans are sick of the status quo bullcrap. Democrats better beware and give up their comfy status quo. No more H. Clinton-Sachs and Wall Street corruption.

cheyanne

(733 posts)
4. Here is the long game:
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 12:48 AM
Jun 2014

If, at the midterms, the extremists continue to elect more extremists or force more corporate republicans to hitch onto their agenda, we will see in the next two years the very public inability of the republicans to implement any of their policies.

Which will lead to:

Many of the republicans will get tired of always losing . . . Others will find out that Obama's agenda is not the end of the world, just as people have found out that republicans lied about gay marriage. The extremists will find it even harder to fund their campaigns.

As we approach 2016, there will be a republican panic to repudiate the extremists. The republicans may pull together to defang the teaparty in time to put up a viable candidate in 2016, but it will be ugly: hard core extremists will be even more susceptible to the violence promoted by the wingnut media.

However, this is all contingent on the economy holding up or even getting better. If the economy plunges it will give the wingnuts an incredible surge in support.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
31. The oligarchs that are funding both parties dont have a problem with
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:33 PM
Jun 2014

the Republicans going off the cliff. They didnt in 2008 nor again in 2012. They cover their bets by buying into the Conservative Democrats and their candidate. With only one viable party and the fracked-up "better of evils" Theory, the oligarchs get what they want and the public still thinks they are free because they still get to vote. Granted one candidate is wacko and the other candidate is a Wall Street hack, we are still free.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
19. You disparage the Taliban with that remark
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:25 PM
Jun 2014

Though it is clever. To me the difference is this: Many in the Taliban are willing to give their life for what they believe is a just cause. They are also unafraid to kill for it.

Your average tea party mook is an out of shape white guy with a beer gut that hangs down to his knees with plenty of anger and very little action. The classic keyboard warrior.

But I will be using that line for sure!

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,120 posts)
7. It's got to be a bit more about Cantor's arrogance with his own consituents.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:21 AM
Jun 2014

Living in Rohrabacher's district means that his ignorance stoked rants at Obama and Climate Science feeds the conservative base in Orange County. He's going to coast to another victory because he plays to the angry white man. A traditional Republican woman couldn't come close to him in the primary. And the Democratic nominee - a woman with a PhD - will likely be trounced because of the same angry white man. That's what conservatism is today.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
9. This is a fight between the money
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:34 AM
Jun 2014

behind the party and the assorted collection of bigots, dominionists, and other asshats they've been using, up until now, because they did as they were told.

If the guy that beat Cantor loses in the general, there's going to be a turf war, and it's going to be highly entertaining.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
13. The turf war has already begun ...
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 08:43 AM
Jun 2014

with the replacement of Cantor ... does the gop elect/select an extremist clown in full regalia (a nod to the teaparty) or a extremist clown in a muted suit? It appears they are going to go with the muted suit that has the teaparty steaming.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
15. Our current crop of GOP/Tea Party shows what happens when crazy zealots get money
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 08:50 AM
Jun 2014

Their craziness is only exacerbated, and becomes dangerous to the rest of society

 

Fred Gilmore

(80 posts)
10. This Is One Of The Final
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:35 AM
Jun 2014

Nails in the coffin of what used to be called the Grand Old Party. When more of these circle jerks are concluded, there won't be a single sane voice of reason left over there. The electorate of this country is already smart enough to not elect one of them for national office now, and when all that remains are the batshit crazies like King, Cruz, Santorum, Sessions, Goomert, and the rest of those in congress absent brains, common sense, and decency, the Democrats will gain control of all branches of government, including replacements for the ignoramuses on the Supreme Court.

Our job, as the base of the Democratic Party, is to hold our current elected officials feet to the fire and not allow them to shift to the right..........even a tiny bit. We must make them even more progressive, and take back our country from the greedy bastards who today think that they have gotten away with stealing it. We must demand drastic cuts to the defense budget, a halt to all overseas military activity, the cessation of all payments to foreign governments, particularly the zionists, and a 100% commitment to the needs of American citizens instead of American businesses first and foremost. For every Wal-Mart that we drive out of our country, there will be 2 Costcos coming along to replace them. The other major move needs to be removing the tax free status of ALL religious organizations, as they will never cease trying to form public policy.

We Democrats should be optimistic about this infighting and resultant removal of that condescending prick. People like him have no place representing real citizens. He was just a whiny little conniving shit who thought he had friends. He has been planning on knifing Boner in the back for years........too bad someone got him first.

NBachers

(17,110 posts)
28. Excellent assessment, Fred! Plus, this picture makes me want to turn around & check MY back!
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jun 2014


What a treacherous, damaged, fucked-up little shit Cantor is.

I am bathing in schadenfreude.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
33. Agreed, and one more thing...
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:39 PM
Jun 2014

..."holding our current elected officials feet to the fire" may mean serious primary challenges to some establishment Dems. At the least, this action will remind them who put them in office in the first place...

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
34. ...and another thing....
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:41 PM
Jun 2014

CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM.

A Constitutional Amendment that says that money is not speech, and corporations are not people.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
11. great article! that analysis makes sense to me,
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:48 AM
Jun 2014

Definitely.

Dems will need to emphasize real integrity, strength of character and a good strong populism. As well as pragmatism. Also critical is visibly challenging the nutbags so that the puke LIES are exposed.

inmynotveryhumbleopinion.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
14. "Republicans mobilize voters with social issues, but invariably turn postelection to serving the 1%.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 08:48 AM
Jun 2014
To see what I mean by bait and switch, think about what happened in 2004. George W. Bush won re-election by posing as a champion of national security and traditional values — as I like to say, he ran as America’s defender against gay married terrorists — then turned immediately to his real priority: privatizing Social Security. It was the perfect illustration of the strategy famously described in Thomas Frank’s book “What’s the Matter With Kansas?” in which Republicans would mobilize voters with social issues, but invariably turn postelection to serving the interests of corporations and the 1 percent.

In return for this service, businesses and the wealthy provided both lavish financial support for right-minded (in both senses) politicians and a safety net — “wing-nut welfare” — for loyalists. In particular, there were always comfortable berths waiting for those who left office, voluntarily or otherwise. There were lobbying jobs; there were commentator spots at Fox News and elsewhere (two former Bush speechwriters are now Washington Post columnists); there were “research” positions (after losing his Senate seat, Rick Santorum became director of the “America’s Enemies” program at a think tank supported by the Koch brothers, among others).

The combination of a successful electoral strategy and the safety net made being a conservative loyalist a seemingly low-risk professional path. The cause was radical, but the people it recruited tended increasingly to be apparatchiks, motivated more by careerism than by conviction.

And the specific issue that loomed largest, immigration, also happens to be one on which the divergence between the base and the party elite is wide. It’s not just that the elite believes that it must find a way to reach Hispanics, whom the base loathes.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
17. From a file I keep on governing...
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 10:46 AM
Jun 2014

"Conservatives have a one-world view they want to see reflected in its entirety. Losing on any issue is enough to rouse their anger, and they take that anger out on any member that does not accept the totality of their worldview (ex., start with Arlen Specter and keep on going to Lugar, Bennett, Cochran, Cantor, etc.). The rules of the Senate make it practically impossible to push any measure through without compromise. The right wing of the Republican Party is simply ideologically incapable of accepting the kind of compromises that must be made because of the transactional nature of our government."

Nothing will get done except damage.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
20. I hope he's right that it's bad news for the GOP...I really believe he's correct
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jun 2014

that the Repukes will become even more obstructionist. KNR

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
21. Remember this scene from Raiders Of The Lost Ark?
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:35 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Sat Jan 17, 2015, 10:09 PM - Edit history (7)



That's what happened to Cantor -- he got so caught up in flashing the swords of his own rhetoric and ambition, he completely lost sight of the even more powerful weapon that his own voters still had.

Just like that, a member of the GOP's congressional "gang of three" is gone, and more important, it puts a bug in the ears of Boner and McTurtle's voters that it's not impossible for them to do the same. Power to the people, right on!


rocktivity

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
40. All I know is that if I were the swordsman, I would have wondered why Jones was just standing there.
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 04:59 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:35 PM - Edit history (14)

If Jones' only line of defense was his whip, I would have started wondering why he wasn't using it, or trying to take advantage of the distance between us by running away. I would most certainly not have been so egotistical as to conclude that Jones was so dazzled or frightened by my swordplay skills that he couldn't react.


rocktivity

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
22. For whatever reasons....
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jun 2014

..... me likey that they replace big wigs with bozos who are nobody.

I'm afraid however that the House will have to get even MORE ridiculous (amazing huh?) before the average voter....who is (hopefully) spending most of their time trying to make their and their family's lives work (y'know...living).... the average voter see's that an absurd party that is against its own job (government) simply will not work.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
37. The Average Voter Already Has an Abysmally Low Opinion of Congress
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 09:58 PM
Jun 2014

But it does not matter what the average voter thinks, it only matters that the idiots in their gerrymandered districts keep voting for them.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
23. I've met a few Right Wingers that claim being pro gay marriage is one of THEIR issues....
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 04:19 PM
Jun 2014

It doesn't matter WHAT the issue is. If it's popular they claim Liberals are the enemy against it.

Because, ya know, pot smoking hippie types are into tyranny and stuff.

 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
35. Good riddance to the Movment Conservative. This cult has
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:22 AM
Jun 2014

framed my entire adult life. It has felt like a thirty-year long kick in the stomach. I am glad it has an actual name because I always knew it existed... I always detested its lockstep indifference to suffering and eagerness to disenfranchise citizenry and its obsession with wealth and power for power's sake. This movement has caused more suffering and hardship for so many. To have come of age in the shadow of it has been a demoralizing experience.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
38. "Think about how quickly the ground has shifted on gay marriage."
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 09:39 AM
Jun 2014

Then think of all the people who have claimed it would take generations, those who claimed any support for equality was a 'wedge' that would cause electoral defeat, think of those who when faced with the fact of this shift of the culture do not ask LGBT people how we did it but instead preach at us about how we should have done it, how we should be, what our history is.
Think of those who demanded we accept hate preachers like McClurkin and Warren, who harassed us for standing up for ourselves in the face of such open expressions of Straight Privilege. 'You just want a pony. It is just poutrage. It's just one little prayer!'
Think of those who whined 'you are letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, settle for civil unions' or 'be pragmatic, be reality based, marriage equality is impossible for a generation, at least!'.

Think of all those who had to be dragged toward the future, and when they opine about the next big thing, the next cycle, remember how wrong they were, remember who was right.
Don't just think about this progress, think about how it was accomplished, who was resistant, who was correct and stop listening to those who were not just wrong, but highly certain they were right while being extremely wrong. They said 'we are reality based' but they were in fact flat out, dead wrong. Stop listening to those people. They are full of shit and bluster and have no idea how to move forward on any political or social issue.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
39. The Republican Party is dying. This is merely Custer's Last Stand
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:17 AM
Jun 2014

Diversity & fairness are poison to the "Conservative" movement ("Confederate" movement is more accurate).
What happened in the 1960s caused a massive backlash that would see most of these regressives to become more & more rabid every year.
They put their numbers together & tried to contain the inevitable change in society.
They were successful in the short term but in the long term they knew they were always doomed.

Each time progress on issues were made they got more & more lockstep, more & more contrary, more & more obstructionist.
Why? Because they're losing, that's why.
When they had their last strike against the tide with the Bush Jr. Presidency, it was only a matter of time before their worst nightmare came true.
And then there it was, Barack Obama.
Symbolically EVERYTHING they stood against coming in after their last mighty strike against the tide.

Obama hasn't even operated his position like he's supposed to & it's STILL wrecking their movement.
Just his existence in that office is eroding all of what they put together, all of the blockades & barriers to stand against the incoming tide.
It's irreversible now.
Obama one way or another DID bring Change to the country.

They're terrified so they're doing the only thing they know how to do.
They're consolidating their numbers further. They're only getting MORE lockstep, MORE contrary, MORE obstructionist.
But their numbers aren't enough anymore.
They're about to be flushed down the toilet of history & they know it.
They're just trying to clog the drain as long as they can.
When the tide moves them, they go down the drain rapidly.
The rushing waters have eroded the edges which keep them from the septic tank.

It's gonna collapse & it's gonna collapse dramatically.
It's time to strike the final blow & put this political body out of business.
Time to make the Confederates lose their organizing structure.
Time to loosen their grip on the national conversation.
They're either gonna have to adapt or die like the dinosaurs of the past.

Virginia, the seat of the Confederacy, has already begun turning against them.
It's only a matter of time before the rest do the same.
The jackpot called Texas, that's what we need to work on turning.
Without Texas, the Confederacy & the Republican Party which represents them are dead on the national scene.
After that death it's only a matter of time before it dies on the regional scenes.
No central body to organize around.

Cantor being upset is just a sign for the beginning of the end.
They're killing themselves trying to stand against the tide. Self-destructing.
2014 & 2016 elections are crucial. These two elections will determine the future of America.
Let's make that future a progressive one.
John Lucas

kg4jxt

(30 posts)
41. VERY? Maybe not so much
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jun 2014

I read that only 65,000 voted in the primary. It seemed to me at the time that the early analysis was that Cantor may have simply gone down to voter apathy. There are a lot of anecdotal explanations floating around and maybe some of them are insightful and even illuminating, but 65,000 voters do not make a movement. I would not read TOO much into this joyous event.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
43. Yup, 65,022.
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jun 2014
http://electionresults.virginia.gov/resultsSW.aspx?type=CON&map=CTY

Light turnout in 7th District primary

....

“I’m out here for one reason, and one reason only: To vote against Eric Cantor,” said Jim Rhodes, 70, who was voting at Byrd Middle School in the Tuckahoe District of Henrico County.

If the fall election is between Brat and a Democrat, he can’t say how he’ll vote because he’ll have to review the candidates’ positions, he said. If the fall election is between Cantor and a Democrat, he’ll vote Democrat, he said. Rhodes added, “He looks out for himself, and doesn’t look out for his constituents.”

....

She said she likes Cantor, but thinks he’s been in office long enough, so she voted for Brat. “They get in there, and they go the way of all flesh,” she said.

Larry Heath, 62, described himself as a lifelong Republican who’s unhappy with the party at the moment. He was voting at Byrd Middle School as well. “While I’m not very energized by what Eric Cantor has not done, David Brat would be a really frightening choice as far as his position on immigration,” Heath said. He also said he hopes the Republican Party “finds reason to exist besides being against Obamacare.”

....

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/virginia-politics/light-turnout-in-th-district-primary/article_25649bd2-f04b-11e3-8fbc-0017a43b2370.html


I'm not convinced it's some big movement, either, there are many variables at play.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
44. repukes win by gerrymandering, suppressing votes and stealing elections
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 04:11 AM
Jun 2014

Cantor dropped the ball against his own

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