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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe ACA is very largely still intact
despite the hobby lobby ruling. And the religious right got a big victory today. And since the current mood of record is that precedent was meant to be overturned, that's all the more reason to make damn sure the next president is a Democrat who will appoint justices that will overturn these very bad social decisions.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)It matters not if we lose the Court or if we lose on pushing the Democratic party back to 99% economics.
If we don't win both, we lose both automatically.
That's why I still can't support any Democrat that doesn't support traditional Democratic economic values.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)be marched to the scotus where you will lose 5-4 - you are not going to acheive 99% economics untill you change scotus.
short-sighted liberals are gonna cost us this election again
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Holding the court means fuck-all if we don't protect liberal economic values. Full Stop.
Repeating your error is never going to make you correct.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)you cant protect shit if you dont have scotus. look at what is happening to womens reproductive issues.
even if you get 100% of "liberal economic values" what makes you think you'll keep them in front of the corp-friendly scotus? prayers? lttes? clicktivism? whining on discussion boards? scotus will strip away any gains you might make.
clinging to your fallacy is gonna end up screwing everyone.
so tell me what liberal econmic value do you think you can get thru congress that scotus cant overturn
Chan790
(20,176 posts)but because all controlling the court wins, including winning for reproductive freedom, mean fuck-all if we're living in the RW corporatist state inevitable if we don't push Democrats back to the economic-left.
All protecting repro. freedom wins you if you lose the economic war is the "right" to keep working in the salt mines as a slave of the corporate-state now that you're no longer impeded with "a potential child."
The economic fight is not less important...winning the court and losing the economic front is no win at-all.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)i dont understand what economic fight youre refering to that can be manipulated by congress but supreme court appointees are there for life and you have the chance to push dems every 2/4 years. so if you lose the presidency in 2016 you can still push the dems - every 2 years you can push - but if a republican takes the presidency and a.scolera and slappy decide to leave the bench that republican president can put in a republican judge that you wont be able to get rid of for the rest of his life --- please take a breath and think of that threat to your economic theme. every2 years versus the next 40 -50 years
Gman
(24,780 posts)If you have control of 2/3 of the govt then your issues can be more effectively addressed. In other words this should be a higher priority.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Any other situation that might effect men's health was carefully avoided. Employer opposes blood transfusions? No worries -- because that would effect men, this ruling doesn't apply.
It's just women.
It's just their reproductive organs.
So it's OK.
Just in case it wasn't obvious...
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)we don't want a GOP congress blocking every Dem appointee. You know they will do it just for spite.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Nor is this a reason for rending of garments and gnashing of teeth from our side.
They are dancing claiming that the Supreme Court thrashed Obamacare and we are only feeding their hysteria by acting like it's a huge deal. It only affects small, family owned private corporations and only affects portions that cover contraceptive. It doesn't say that any corporation can ignore any other aspect of the ACA and claim religious objection. A Christian Science owned company cannot refuse to cover all medicine (without paying the fine) because it is against their religion to seek medical help in certain situations.
I don't see many employees being affected by this ruling. Plus the ACA is making it affordable for people to buy their own coverage if they don't like what their employer offers or doesn't.