Thousands of rockets fired, 0 Israeli deaths, dozens of missiles fired, 100 Palestinian deaths.

[Fred Sanders]

Last edited Fri Jul 11, 2014, 04:52 PM - Edit history (2)

The math is not debatable.

If not targeting civilians and innocents is the goal, what would actual targeting look like? Genocide by another name would smell as ugly.

Where shall we begin with a "fair and balanced" discussion of how children blown to bloody bits sleeping at home or men sipping coffee at a cafe shredded to mincemeat is equal to 0 Israeli deaths?

And Wolf Blitzer taking a selfie rushing to a shelter in mock fright does not cut it.

Bibi, you start it off the all sides are equal argument, begin with numbers of women and children and innocents you have slaughtered in the past few days.

The propaganda war Israel is waging is almost as evil as it's real war in the most densely populated place on the planet.

Edit: Yes, I know, I will get few kicks and recs, because being critical of Israel means you must be an anti-Semite, just more propaganda at work.

[randys1]

1. The Jewish people I love, the Israeli govt, not so much...but it is complicated

[Fred Sanders]

2. I have no problem with your observation, but conflating the two is what propaganda tries to do.

[randys1]

9. Conflating? The Jewish people have the same problem the liberals have in USA

we are seen by many thru the warped lens of the idiot teabaggers, not fair to us

many Jewish people have the same issue, the difference is they are a target of hate, surely you can admit that?

[snooper2]

42. There are a lot of hard core fundies in Israel, they can fuck off

[el_bryanto]

3. Isn't this supposed to be in the Israel Palestine room, rather than GD? nt

[4now]

4. The American media always dances to Netanyahu's tune

[Fred Sanders]

21. I do not think they always do, it is more out of sheer habit and lack of understanding.

[former9thward]

5. Nations have a right to defend themselves.

We did not stop killing Japanese when the total got past the number of dead at Pearl Harbor. Most of the dead in Gaza are because Hamas purposely puts its rockets in residential areas. The Israelis phone buildings they are about to hit. When the Palestinians ignore those warnings they suffer the consequences.

[Fred Sanders]

7. Of course,but the right to defend includes the obligation to abide by international law, and bombing

homes and general slaughter are not part of that right.

"The right into defend" is itself a propaganda phrase, so general and so agreeable to all as to be meaningless, that is how propaganda phrases work.....Americans For Prosperity, Freedom Works, ?Family Values Association.....

[Scootaloo]

8. We also figured the nuclear annihilation of two of their cities to be "defense"

Along with the incineration of Tokyo

But those are okay, our targets weren't the hundreds of thousands of people we killed! it was the factories in Hiroshima, the shipyard at Nagasaki, and the government offices in Tokyo.

Our hands are clean.

[malaise]

14. That is some convoluted argument

Please.

Just follow the oil and gas

[former9thward]

19. There is no oil or gas in Gaza or the West Bank.

Or in Israel for that matter.

[malaise]

22. Really now

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis

[former9thward]

25. An idiotic CT article.

If the supposed gas was an issue Israel would have never left Gaza. That little fact doesn't seem to fit in with the CT.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus

[randys1]

11. Agreed, and many govts do it including ours...while we claim innocents are not our targets

the invasion of Iraq was horrific in killing innocents...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Here's another.

“Patriots always talk of dying for their country but never of killing for their country.”

― Bertrand Russell

[Fred Sanders]

23. 4,000 American lives lost is often mentioned, the 1,000,000 Iraqis, it is a mere afterthought.

[randys1]

27. that was my point, not sure if it was a million but it was a lot

[alsame]

10. Supposedly this was all provoked by

the murder of the three Israeli teens.

My question from the start - why weren't those murders treated like a crime? You know, have a criminal investigation, find the suspects, have a trial? Since when is collective military punishment the response to what is clearly a criminal act?

I asked this in several I/P threads and got no answers. Because everyone knows the murders were just an excuse.

[former9thward]

16. Do not confuse the events.

The Israeli attack did not begin with the murder of the teenagers. The teenagers were murdered in the West Bank not Gaza. Israel was treating it as a crime and investigating. Hamas started firing rockets from Gaza into Israel. That is when the Israeli defense took over.

[malaise]

29. Rockets were fired after the kidnapping and slaughter of a Palestinian

teenager which was vengeance for the killing of the three Israeli teenagers.
Bottom line - killing civilians is a war crime. I abhorred the collective punishment meted out to Jews in Europe and I won't support the slaughter in Gaza - not this time, not the time before or the time before that.
You don't get to decide that Jews are the only victims who count. Sorry - all human being have rights and as a citizen of this planet, I am condemning the slaughter of more Palestinians.

[former9thward]

34. The Palestinian murder was investigated and arrests made.

The Palestinians have ignored all requests to investigate the murder of the Israelis. If fact Hamas which is part of the official government has celebrated it.

[alsame]

38. ...

Israel bombs Gaza Strip after abducted teens are found shot to death in West Bank

Hamas will pay.

That was threat Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made Monday after the bullet-ridden bodies of three Jewish teenagers were found under rubble in a West Bank village near the city of Hebron.

Within hours, Israel was reportedly bombing the Gaza strip, which is ruled by the terrorist group, as a larger crackdown in Palestinian-controlled areas was widely expected.

“Hamas is responsible and Hamas will pay,” a furious Netanyahu vowed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/bodies-3-abducted-israeli-teens-found-west-bank-article-1.1849521


Cabinet torn over appropriate Israeli response to murder of teens

The cabinet was torn overnight Monday over Israel's response to the murder of three Israeli teenagers - Eyal Yifrach, Naftali Frenkel and Gil-Ad Shaer - who were kidnapped over two weeks ago, and whose bodies were found Monday evening. The emergency meeting ended after three hours without reaching a decision being made.

<snip>

Eventually, the cabinet decided on the IAF's overnight strikes of 34 terror targets in the Gaza Strip.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4536566,00.html


Israeli jets pound Gaza as Netanyahu blames Hamas for teenagers' deaths

Israeli jets and helicopters launched dozens of air strikes across the Gaza Strip overnight on Monday, just hours after the bodies of three abducted Israeli teenagers were found in a shallow grave near the southern West Bank city of Hebron.

The air strikes, ostensibly in response to an ongoing barrage of rocket fire from Gaza into southern Israel, came after the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, vowed the militant Islamist group Hamas, blamed by Israel for the kidnapping, would "pay a heavy price".

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/israeli-jets-gaza-netanyahu-hamas-teenagers-deaths

[Fred Sanders]

17. If Israel know who did these crimes only days after, and pretended not to for political gain, and

this was about to be revealed, then killing a few hundred Palestinians in the name of national security while suffering no casualties yourself, might give you good cover and diversion.

And If Hamas was responsible for the crime, why did Israel not move a long time ago? Hamas has denied a role, and no one has provided a shred of evidence.

More people died last year in America from fireworks than Israelis from Hamas rockets.

[Fozzledick]

20. That's totally dishonest.

The counterstrike against Gaza is a direct response to the hundreds of rockets fired from there, and is specifically targeted at the rockets and their launchers.

The response to the three murders is the ongoing police action on the ground in the West Bank to arrest the murderers and their accomplices.

I suspect no one bothered answering your posts because they weren't honest enough to take seriously.

[Fred Sanders]

26. How did 100 people die, and why, how many children and innocents? Do they care about the "oopsie"?

[Fozzledick]

35. Hamas brags about herding women and children into harms way to produce propaganda.

It's sort of like producing child pornography, only bloodier. If they didn't have an eager clientele willing to buy it they wouldn't keep producing it.

[librechik]

13. Yes You can see that the HAMAS rockets are a serious threat

not.

[Purveyor]

15. Biggest chuckle I've had is when 'hair on fire' supporters of israel were

proclaiming that Hamas wanted to nuke israel by attacking their nuclear plant.

If israel builds a nuclear facility that shoddy that it can't take the hit from an Hamas 'pop-rocket, well then...so be it.

[Fozzledick]

24. You think trying to blow up a nuclear reactor is a joke?

Gruesome sense of humor you've got there.

[Fred Sanders]

37. What evidence is there in the media world? What source for this stunning and fearmongering?

Who tried to blow up a plant? What evidence is there, it is just speculation and propaganda to try

and make the severely weakened Hamas into a monster so as to justify the slaughter, and you are buying it.

How many Israelis has this monster killed, how many has the angelic
Israeli government of Bibi killed......lately?
Just saying.......

[cerveza_gratis]

32. Beats me

[Viva_Daddy]

30. Well, Let's see if I've got this right....

Israel has "the iron dome" and bomb shelters; Palestinians don't.

Israel has tanks, an army, a navy and an air force; Palestinians don't.

Hamas "targets civilians" while Israel doesn't; but in the end Israel kills far more civilians.

Jews resisted the Nazi occupation of Europe and were rightly praised for doing so. Jews resisted the British occupation of Palestine and are still praised by Zionists for doing so. But Israel just cannot abide that the Palestinians are still resisting the military occupation of Palestine that's been going on for half a century now.

Is that about it?

[Fred Sanders]

31. If not targeting civilians is the goal, what would targeting look like?

[Tetris_Iguana]

33. The Palestinians are well within their rights

to bring knives to a gun fight, per se.

[iandhr]

36. Maybe this is because Hamas launches rockets from residential areas.

Knowing Israel would have to respond and that their own people would die as a result. Hamas is willing to sacrifice there own people to achieve a propaganda victory.


When someone shoots rockets at you you have a right to shoot back.

[Fred Sanders]

39. Have you seen a map of the Gaza Strip? Try goggle maps, what area is not heavily populated?

Maybe Hamas should send up flares so the Israeli jets can find them better and drop high explosives with more precision.

[Agschmid]

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