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By Glenn Greenwald
11 Jul 2014, 11:46 AM EDT
On July 20, 2013, agents of the U.K. government entered The Guardian newsroom in London and compelled them to physically destroy the computers they were using to report on the Edward Snowden archive. The Guardian reported this a month later after my partner, David Miranda, was detained at Heathrow Airport for 11 hours under a British terrorism law and had all of his electronic equipment seized. At the time, the Obama administrationwhile admitting that it was told in advance of the Heathrow detentionpretended that it knew nothing about the forced laptop destruction and would never approve of such attacks on press freedom. From the August 20, 2013, press briefing by then-deputy White House press secretary Josh Earnest:
MR. EARNEST: Ive seen the published reports of those accusations, but I dont have any information for you on that.
Q: And does the U.S. government think its appropriate for a government, especially one of our allies, to go in and destroy hard drives? Is that something this administration would do?
MR. EARNEST: The only thing I know about this are the public reports about this, so its hard for me to evaluate the propriety of what they did based on incomplete knowledge of what happened.
Q: But this administration would not do that, would not go into an American media company and destroy hard drives, even if it meant trying to protect national security, you dont think?
MR. EARNEST: Its very difficult to imagine a scenario in which that would be appropriate.
But emails just obtained by Associated Press pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act request (FOIA) prove that senior Obama national security officials including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and then-NSA chief Keith Alexandernot only knew in advance that U.K. officials intended to force The Guardian to destroy their computers, but overtly celebrated it.
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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/07/11/newly-obtained-emails-contradict-administration-claims-guardian-laptop-destruction/
WillyT
(72,631 posts)LIARS !!!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)The momentum is picking up as FOIA requests are bearing fruit. Soon, law suits will produce even more detail about this and that. Discovery is a bitch.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)is referred to as "MR. EARNEST."?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)They could popped a drone on his ass. And it'd be all legal like.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I actually doubt The President knew about this. That is the way the deep state works.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Going to steal files from NSA computers and going to share the information with those not authorized to have the information. Must have been destroyed along with the hard drives.
delrem
(9,688 posts)or any of the other leaks! That would be SO wrong!
You'd be informed about something you have no right whatsoever to know about and that just wouldn't do.
If you did (by accident, maybe) read something that informed you, by far the best game you can play is to feign ignorance about those matters, which shouldn't be hard since ignorance is the preferred (and righteous!) state.
In the meantime, don't worry, you're still safe. Nothing will come of this. The illegal stuff that the extreme libertarian leftists are so upset about will be made legal, and there'll be a whole new vocabulary to make it even more palatable (how do you like "libertarian leftists" for one?), and the lid on leaks will be clamped down tighter, and you'll be safe as a butterfly pinned to a corkboard. You won't even have to vote third-way/neocon to help ensure it happens -- it'll happen just because it's inevitable.
delrem
(9,688 posts)I want Thinkingabout to read this, too, and think about it:
The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas, Ursula Le Guin.
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/dunnweb/rprnts.omelas.pdf
It's an interesting story.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... story is too long for me to get through tonight... Will come back to tomorrow.
delrem
(9,688 posts)written by someone who I'd call, simply on the basis of that story, a timeless philosopher.
Whether it has immediate relevance???? I doubt it.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)That was amazing. I'd like to think I'd be one that walks away.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
navarth
(5,927 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Those of us who were concerned about this from the get go are standing back to watch the avalanche - with not a little bit of sadness.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Who can fix it? Apparently NOT politicians. Few if any, even raise a voice at this point which makes you wonder, are they part of it all or are they afraid?
There is simply no accountability, no matter how serious the crimes committed. I wish it was 2005 when we found out they were spying on the American people using the Telecoms to do so. Back then I actually thought it was possible to see some of them go to jail over the multiple Constitutional violations they were committing. But not any more.
delrem
(9,688 posts)In 2005 there could be a pretence that "third-way" and "neocon" meant something different.
That illusion wasn't dispelled in an instant and for sure there's a cadre of "third-way" DUers propping it up to this day, but the illusion is somewhat tatty, threadbare and with gaping holes that can't be mended.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It is bipartisan if Obama is informed and involved in decision making.
It is a-partisan if he's at the mercy of rogue superiors at the helms of the surveillance agencies.
I don't know which is more frightening.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and me either, grasswire.
Marr
(20,317 posts)the journalists, and just trust these government officials who have repeatedly been caught lying on the subject.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)I expect this thread will also be flooded with obfuscation, spam and misdirection by the usual suspects.
Thanks for posting this separately.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I missed your thread, can you link it?
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Its in one my posts in this thread I posted on front desk foia snowden emails
like I said....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025227069
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Need. More. COFFEE! I didn't connect the threads.
Wow, some fresh authoritarian blood in there too.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)deliicious ......LOL
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Got all the talking points and techniques down pat.
Autumn
(45,072 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)of pod people.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)I wouldn't trust any of the intelligence agencies if they said night was dark and day was light.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Obama runs England too! Can force down planes anywhere. That evil black hatted villain!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The corruption is deep and ugly and pervasive at this point.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,356 posts)Thanks for the thread, n2doc.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Quantess
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(32,139 posts)uponit7771
(90,336 posts)Response to uponit7771 (Reply #45)
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woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The corruption is deep and goes all the way to the very top.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)woo me with science
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(32,139 posts)sendero
(28,552 posts)... "I'm just not sure if Edward Snowden has any credibility".
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Autumn
(45,072 posts)Recommended.