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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 06:49 PM Jul 2014

Greenwald:Newly Obtained Emails Contradict Administration Claims on Guardian Laptop Destruction

By Glenn Greenwald
11 Jul 2014, 11:46 AM EDT

On July 20, 2013, agents of the U.K. government entered The Guardian newsroom in London and compelled them to physically destroy the computers they were using to report on the Edward Snowden archive. The Guardian reported this a month later after my partner, David Miranda, was detained at Heathrow Airport for 11 hours under a British terrorism law and had all of his electronic equipment seized. At the time, the Obama administration—while admitting that it was told in advance of the Heathrow detention—pretended that it knew nothing about the forced laptop destruction and would never approve of such attacks on press freedom. From the August 20, 2013, press briefing by then-deputy White House press secretary Josh Earnest:

Q: A last one on the NSA—The Guardian newspaper, following on everything that was discussed yesterday—The Guardian is saying that British authorities destroyed several hard drives, because they wanted to keep secrets that Edward Snowden had leaked from actually getting out. They were stored in The Guardian‘s—they had some hard drives there at their offices. British authorities went in there and destroyed these hard drives. Did the American government get a heads up about that the way you did about the person being detained?

MR. EARNEST: I’ve seen the published reports of those accusations, but I don’t have any information for you on that.

Q: And does the U.S. government think it’s appropriate for a government, especially one of our allies, to go in and destroy hard drives? Is that something this administration would do?

MR. EARNEST: The only thing I know about this are the public reports about this, so it’s hard for me to evaluate the propriety of what they did based on incomplete knowledge of what happened.

Q: But this administration would not do that, would not go into an American media company and destroy hard drives, even if it meant trying to protect national security, you don’t think?

MR. EARNEST: It’s very difficult to imagine a scenario in which that would be appropriate.

But emails just obtained by Associated Press pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act request (FOIA) prove that senior Obama national security officials— including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and then-NSA chief Keith Alexander—not only knew in advance that U.K. officials intended to force The Guardian to destroy their computers, but overtly celebrated it.

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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/07/11/newly-obtained-emails-contradict-administration-claims-guardian-laptop-destruction/
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Greenwald:Newly Obtained Emails Contradict Administration Claims on Guardian Laptop Destruction (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2014 OP
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #1
the lies are coming thick and fast!! grasswire Jul 2014 #2
I Wonder How The FISC Is Feeling These Days... If They Feel At All. WillyT Jul 2014 #3
+1 woo me with science Jul 2014 #53
Crickets on this thread... needs a little loving. K&R nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #4
Does anyone else find it ironic that the White House Press Secretary Maedhros Jul 2014 #5
k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Jul 2014 #6
What's he complaining about? Octafish Jul 2014 #7
Kick. thanks n2doc. Scuba Jul 2014 #8
so Mr. Earnest is just a stooge? AngryAmish Jul 2014 #9
k/r 840high Jul 2014 #10
Where is the email reporting Snowden was going to work in the NSA and was Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #11
I hope you weren't so foolish as to read any of the Snowden NSA leaks, delrem Jul 2014 #12
. ReRe Jul 2014 #16
Oh no! I want Thinkingabout to take every word to heart. delrem Jul 2014 #19
Marking to come back to... ReRe Jul 2014 #20
It's an incredibly well-written story delrem Jul 2014 #21
Thank you for that link Aerows Jul 2014 #35
Thanks for posting this. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #50
The NSA - No Where To Hide From Itself - Sunlight Is Always The Best Disinfectant cantbeserious Jul 2014 #13
kicking! nt navarth Jul 2014 #14
It's all rolling down hill now Aerows Jul 2014 #15
So, how can all this be fixed? sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #17
The problem wasn't understood to be 100% bipartisan in 2005. delrem Jul 2014 #18
is it bipartisan? or a-partisan? grasswire Jul 2014 #32
Good point Aerows Jul 2014 #36
These are the people the apologists insist we trust. Disregard the whistleblowers and Marr Jul 2014 #22
I mentioned this story in my e-mail Snowden story as further proof the NSA lie Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #23
Seems they are ignoring it hootinholler Jul 2014 #25
I think it's at the link below Babel_17 Jul 2014 #26
Thanks! n/t hootinholler Jul 2014 #29
NO you didn't miss it Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #27
LOL MOAR COFFEE! hootinholler Jul 2014 #28
MOAR COFFEE! brand coffee is only availble at your DU coffeeshop Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #30
yes, there are a few new ones on DU this week. grasswire Jul 2014 #33
I wonder where they came from? They incubate somewhere. Autumn Jul 2014 #54
Constant influx woo me with science Jul 2014 #57
Frankly. Savannahmann Jul 2014 #24
This is one of the better scenes of the movie treestar Jul 2014 #31
Lies upon lies upon lies. woo me with science Jul 2014 #34
kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #37
kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #38
Huge Recommend!!! KoKo Jul 2014 #39
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #40
Kick! riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #41
K & R Quantess Jul 2014 #42
Kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #43
kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #44
NSA Known liars, Snowden Known liar... any questions? tia uponit7771 Jul 2014 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jul 2014 #46
The list of lies from the administration and the NSA keeps getting longer and longer. woo me with science Jul 2014 #47
The list of lies from Snowden and GG are too... There's a good case to trust niether uponit7771 Jul 2014 #48
No, there isn't. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #49
kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #51
In my best faux-whiney voice.. sendero Jul 2014 #52
you pegged it nt grasswire Jul 2014 #56
Liars lie. Autumn Jul 2014 #55

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
2. the lies are coming thick and fast!!
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 07:03 PM
Jul 2014

The momentum is picking up as FOIA requests are bearing fruit. Soon, law suits will produce even more detail about this and that. Discovery is a bitch.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
5. Does anyone else find it ironic that the White House Press Secretary
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 07:22 PM
Jul 2014

is referred to as "MR. EARNEST."?

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
9. so Mr. Earnest is just a stooge?
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jul 2014

I actually doubt The President knew about this. That is the way the deep state works.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
11. Where is the email reporting Snowden was going to work in the NSA and was
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 08:38 PM
Jul 2014

Going to steal files from NSA computers and going to share the information with those not authorized to have the information. Must have been destroyed along with the hard drives.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
12. I hope you weren't so foolish as to read any of the Snowden NSA leaks,
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 09:01 PM
Jul 2014

or any of the other leaks! That would be SO wrong!

You'd be informed about something you have no right whatsoever to know about and that just wouldn't do.

If you did (by accident, maybe) read something that informed you, by far the best game you can play is to feign ignorance about those matters, which shouldn't be hard since ignorance is the preferred (and righteous!) state.

In the meantime, don't worry, you're still safe. Nothing will come of this. The illegal stuff that the extreme libertarian leftists are so upset about will be made legal, and there'll be a whole new vocabulary to make it even more palatable (how do you like "libertarian leftists" for one?), and the lid on leaks will be clamped down tighter, and you'll be safe as a butterfly pinned to a corkboard. You won't even have to vote third-way/neocon to help ensure it happens -- it'll happen just because it's inevitable.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
19. Oh no! I want Thinkingabout to take every word to heart.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:24 AM
Jul 2014

I want Thinkingabout to read this, too, and think about it:

The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas, Ursula Le Guin.

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/dunnweb/rprnts.omelas.pdf

It's an interesting story.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
20. Marking to come back to...
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:45 AM
Jul 2014

... story is too long for me to get through tonight... Will come back to tomorrow.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
21. It's an incredibly well-written story
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:50 AM
Jul 2014

written by someone who I'd call, simply on the basis of that story, a timeless philosopher.

Whether it has immediate relevance???? I doubt it.



 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
15. It's all rolling down hill now
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 09:37 PM
Jul 2014

Those of us who were concerned about this from the get go are standing back to watch the avalanche - with not a little bit of sadness.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
17. So, how can all this be fixed?
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 11:49 PM
Jul 2014

Who can fix it? Apparently NOT politicians. Few if any, even raise a voice at this point which makes you wonder, are they part of it all or are they afraid?

There is simply no accountability, no matter how serious the crimes committed. I wish it was 2005 when we found out they were spying on the American people using the Telecoms to do so. Back then I actually thought it was possible to see some of them go to jail over the multiple Constitutional violations they were committing. But not any more.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
18. The problem wasn't understood to be 100% bipartisan in 2005.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:21 AM
Jul 2014

In 2005 there could be a pretence that "third-way" and "neocon" meant something different.
That illusion wasn't dispelled in an instant and for sure there's a cadre of "third-way" DUers propping it up to this day, but the illusion is somewhat tatty, threadbare and with gaping holes that can't be mended.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
32. is it bipartisan? or a-partisan?
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:36 PM
Jul 2014

It is bipartisan if Obama is informed and involved in decision making.

It is a-partisan if he's at the mercy of rogue superiors at the helms of the surveillance agencies.

I don't know which is more frightening.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
22. These are the people the apologists insist we trust. Disregard the whistleblowers and
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 02:07 AM
Jul 2014

the journalists, and just trust these government officials who have repeatedly been caught lying on the subject.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
23. I mentioned this story in my e-mail Snowden story as further proof the NSA lie
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 02:30 AM
Jul 2014

I expect this thread will also be flooded with obfuscation, spam and misdirection by the usual suspects.

Thanks for posting this separately.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
28. LOL MOAR COFFEE!
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 10:06 AM
Jul 2014

Need. More. COFFEE! I didn't connect the threads.

Wow, some fresh authoritarian blood in there too.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
24. Frankly.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 04:01 AM
Jul 2014

I wouldn't trust any of the intelligence agencies if they said night was dark and day was light.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
31. This is one of the better scenes of the movie
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 10:29 AM
Jul 2014

Obama runs England too! Can force down planes anywhere. That evil black hatted villain!

Response to uponit7771 (Reply #45)

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
47. The list of lies from the administration and the NSA keeps getting longer and longer.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jul 2014

The corruption is deep and goes all the way to the very top.

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