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Archae

(46,326 posts)
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:28 AM Jul 2014

Why do we (and I include DU,) embrace eagerly conspiracy theories?

The easiest answer being that shit happens.

And conspiracy theories can be exciting to read about, or watch.

Reality is just SOOOOO boring...

There is of course, the Mother Of All Conspiracies, "Jews are taking over the world."
It's thousands of years old, and even centuries after it's discredited people still believe it.
Israel is accused of "genocide" even though no genocide is occurring.

Here in the US, the biggest CT is the "CIA/Illuminati/Mafia/whoever killed JFK/RFK/MLK."
These men have gained near-mythical status, so it's just IM-POSSIBLE for cranks or nutcases to have shot and killed them.

Don't forget 9-11.
"Loose Screws," I mean "Loose Change" is still practically gospel among the "Troofers."

And the Birthers, who can forget them...

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Why do we (and I include DU,) embrace eagerly conspiracy theories? (Original Post) Archae Jul 2014 OP
Because all too often we have found truth to be stranger than fiction pipoman Jul 2014 #1
So why do we have to fiction-ize truth? Archae Jul 2014 #7
5 years ago someone saying that the government is spying on pipoman Jul 2014 #17
I did JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #18
Funny you ask the question that way, because I think CT and sci fi are similar and both are randys1 Jul 2014 #2
You know, there ARE people who conspire to do things. The_Commonist Jul 2014 #3
When folks get lied to over and over and the official line doesn't KarenS Jul 2014 #4
You are right that the reason we believe in CT is that we iemitsu Jul 2014 #23
Okay, who put you up to this? pinboy3niner Jul 2014 #5
My check from the CIA and the Bank of Nigeria bounced. Archae Jul 2014 #8
Oops! The first rule of conspiracy is you do not talk about conspiracy. pinboy3niner Jul 2014 #12
Too bad Cass Sunstein's plan fell through. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #6
Anyone who is a student of history knows that conspiracy is part of the picture Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #9
Because sometimes it's easier to believe a CT then to admit one was wrong, Lurks Often Jul 2014 #10
Reality is not too boring, just too nuanced frazzled Jul 2014 #11
"we"? G_j Jul 2014 #13
The "left" likes to think they're more intellectual and more discerning than the right... SidDithers Jul 2014 #14
I've noticed. Archae Jul 2014 #16
And there's no reason for the left... daleanime Jul 2014 #26
You sound like the "Democrats" who went after the anti Iraq war protesters. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #27
Hunt the Boeing! nt onehandle Jul 2014 #15
LOL. Like clockwork, the most frequent mention of "Illuminati" we see on DU, repeatedly, woo me with science Jul 2014 #19
It is funny PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #22
anti-science conspiracy theories wyldwolf Jul 2014 #20
People do conspire a lot you know, it's not unusual. The trouble is figuring out which are true. bemildred Jul 2014 #21
Irrational conspiracy theories, you mean. DirkGently Jul 2014 #24
stop making sense.. G_j Jul 2014 #29
Better question: why is the truth labelled a "conspiracy theory" so often? McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #25
Bah. Remember all the folks who claimed our military would never torture POWs? hunter Jul 2014 #28
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
1. Because all too often we have found truth to be stranger than fiction
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jul 2014

Especially in government. ..

Archae

(46,326 posts)
7. So why do we have to fiction-ize truth?
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:40 AM
Jul 2014

The worst example I can think of offhand is Oliver Stone and his movie "JFK."
He still will defend it to the death, of course.

To be fair, there were two facts in the movie.
JFK was shot and killed in Dallas.
Clay Shaw was put on trial by Jim Garrison.

The rest of the movie is pure fiction.

Meanwhile, actual conspiracies are ignored or swept under the rug.
Bush's Iraq lies. (Cheney still claims Saddam had ties to Al-Qaeda.)
The GOP met on Obama's first inauguration day, to come up with their strategy for blocking everything he does.
And so on.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
17. 5 years ago someone saying that the government is spying on
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:12 PM
Jul 2014

The general public would have been accused of fictionalizing truth. There is a difference between believing a lie that someone we trust tells us, and a conspiracy theory.

JustAnotherGen

(31,818 posts)
18. I did
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:30 PM
Jul 2014

I believed it. But I was getting my political footing in the late 80's / early 90's.

A great movie? SNEAKERS - has Redford, Poitier, Kingley, Ackroyd, and River Phoenix in it. Check it out. NSA and all . . .

randys1

(16,286 posts)
2. Funny you ask the question that way, because I think CT and sci fi are similar and both are
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jul 2014

entertaining and that is why we like them

There are some things that are obviously not what we were told, JFK, RFK, MLK, etc.

Clearly these men were killed ultimately by people not pulling the trigger, as in others were involved, duh.

When it comes to what I hear from a govt entity, I like the Carlin line "First, I dont believe anything the govt tells me"

But CT is fun, right! Sci fi to me is kind of similar, i like it when area 51 is talked about and so on..

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
3. You know, there ARE people who conspire to do things.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jul 2014

Any time two or more people decide on a certain course of action, that's a conspiracy.

Of course, that doesn't mean that all the bad things that have happened in the world were the result of some large-scale nefarious plot to do evil, but I think that people, such as yourself, who "mock the conspiracy theorists" do just as much harm as the people who think EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.

Point is... I'm going to ignore you just as hard as I'm going to ignore the whackiest of the conspiracy nut-jobs. You're both wrong.

KarenS

(4,074 posts)
4. When folks get lied to over and over and the official line doesn't
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:37 AM
Jul 2014

even begin to make sense or flow logically then there is bound to be speculation and there should be.

There are plausible conspiracy theories and ridiculous self-serving conspiracy theories.

Take your pick.

But I rarely buy the official line immediately.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
23. You are right that the reason we believe in CT is that we
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:03 PM
Jul 2014

don't believe our authority figures or those, who read the news.
And it seems the authorities like CT because they add to the confusion Americans face when trying to sort out the truth.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
12. Oops! The first rule of conspiracy is you do not talk about conspiracy.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jul 2014

The second rule of conspiracy is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT CONSPIRACY!

Best wishes, good luck, and Rest in Peace...

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
6. Too bad Cass Sunstein's plan fell through.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:39 AM
Jul 2014

And I don't say that with a single hint of sarcasm.

He was one of the most brilliant minds to serve in the Obama administration.

As someone who went too far down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, I share his disdain for them.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. Anyone who is a student of history knows that conspiracy is part of the picture
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:46 AM
Jul 2014

A conspiracy is just people planning to do a thing as a group which others are not privy to. A plot to depose a monarch and replace them with another is common in history, each was a conspiracy. Not all conspiracy is theoretical. Not all theories of conspiracy are without merit. Some are just fantasias, but others are just politics and humanity at work.
Conspiracy is part of history, business, politics, even a part of romance. Sales is made of conspiracy. There are laws to control and prevent conspiracy in many areas, it can be called collusion, price fixing, election tampering but all of that is conspiracy.
If your theory is that Republicans have never covertly conspired to prevent voter participation and to rig recounts, which it seems to be, I'd say that it is a theory designed to assist Republican collusion by claiming collusion, conspiracy and covert organization is an absurd concept. To believe that there is no such thing as conspiracy, you have to believe Republicans have never tried to steal an election. When the Republicans met on Inauguration day to agree they'd oppose anything Obama did, that was conspiracy. A thing you don't believe in. So you see them as innocents who just happen to act with great unity, not as folks who plotted to be obstructionists instead of fulfilling their duties.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
10. Because sometimes it's easier to believe a CT then to admit one was wrong,
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jul 2014

especially for those that put all of themselves in to believing in something or someone.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
11. Reality is not too boring, just too nuanced
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:53 AM
Jul 2014

and complex. So people think up and/or cling to conspiracy theories, which have an easy overarching "story," usually one that fits the originator's preconceived ideological notions.

Conspiracy theories, no matter how contorted and strained, are the lazy person's way of explaining the nuanced reality.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
14. The "left" likes to think they're more intellectual and more discerning than the right...
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:59 AM
Jul 2014

but the sad truth is that there is just as many loons on the left as there are on the right, it's just that the left's particular preference for moonbattery is (mostly) different.

You see it almost daily in the science reporting from places like alternet or counterpunch or truth-out. The recent Seralini stuff is a perfect example of the moonbat left embracing bad science, simply because it's anti-GMO or anti-Monsanto.

Sid

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
27. You sound like the "Democrats" who went after the anti Iraq war protesters.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jul 2014

There's no way this war could be under false pretenses! After all Hillary supports it! Why can't you moon bat leftists get behind our President?


woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
19. LOL. Like clockwork, the most frequent mention of "Illuminati" we see on DU, repeatedly,
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jul 2014

comes from those trying to discourage the questioning of any official government story by invoking images of tinfoil-hatted extremists imagining lizard-skinned alien rulers.

We are repeatedly urged to join the manufactured guffawing, to believe that governments never lie, that they never use propaganda against their own citizens, and that the wealthiest, most powerful individuals and groups on Earth never cross lines or abuse their power in planning for the interests of the wealthiest, most powerful individuals and groups on Earth.

The rich power brokers LOVE the Illuminati lizard ruler conspiracy stories, because they are used to smear and discredit not just the conspiracy nutcases, but also the legitimate attention to what is the real scandal here: that a tiny group of multi-billionaires wields an obscene amount of the world's wealth and power, and that they are systematically increasing their secrecy while demanding ( and implementing a surveillance machine to ensure) total transparency on the part of citizens.

What's not to trust?!


 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
22. It is funny
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:59 PM
Jul 2014

It is funny when you see who are most fervent about discounting any questioning of official stories as CT. I dislike saying "usual suspects" but it appears to always be those that hold certain viewpoints.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
20. anti-science conspiracy theories
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:42 PM
Jul 2014

Most scientists agree global warming is real and man-made = TRUTH!
Most scientists agree GMOs are safe to consume = scientists are in the back pockets of Monsanto!!!

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
21. People do conspire a lot you know, it's not unusual. The trouble is figuring out which are true.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jul 2014

As the other guy said, truth is often stranger than what you could just think up. Look at all the trouble the Neocons went to to trick us into invading Iraq. Most of our political life is deeply dishonest.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
24. Irrational conspiracy theories, you mean.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:13 PM
Jul 2014

Problem with the way the term is used as a catch-all for "bullshit," is that it is also happily wielded by anyone who disagrees with any idea at all, valid or not, just as often driven by a cover-your-butt motivation or a conscious motive to cover up the truth. "Woo" is a similarly abused term on this particular website.

Conspiracy itself, or just plain old wrong doing by Powers that Be, and subsequent lying about it and trying to discredit or ridicule anyone pointing at the possibility of an as-yet-unproven truth, is a real thing best not ignored.

Nothing anyone has fever-dreamed up is any wilder than the real machinations of the Nixon administration, or the CIA, or the Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld conspiracy to lead the U.S. to war in Iraq. False information, criminal acts, discrediting attacks on critics, ridicule, appeals to authority, etc.

All of those things actually happen, all the time.

It's up to us to think critically and not lump ideas or facts into simplistic buckets consisting only of the empirically obvious popular wisdom vs. the ridiculous or unlikely and therefore impossible.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
25. Better question: why is the truth labelled a "conspiracy theory" so often?
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jul 2014

Answer: because the truth will set you free.

Just because something is inconvenient, does not make it a conspiracy theory.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
28. Bah. Remember all the folks who claimed our military would never torture POWs?
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jul 2014

There were many here on DU who dismissed early reports of torture of Islamic prisoners as CT stuff.

Conspiracy theories exist because our government is not transparent. When the truth does sometimes leak out it is often more hideous than many of the early speculations.

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