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Washington Post ?@washingtonpost 20mWho has been killed in Gaza: combatants, adult civilians and children. http://wapo.st/1nhy4V8
32 were Israeli soldiers.
3 were Israeli civilians.
87 were armed Palestinian militants. Of those, 2 were teenagers.
443 were Palestinian civilians. Of those, 76 were women and 144 were children.
69 had an unknown role.
SOURCE: U.N. Office for the coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Palestinian Center for Human Rights and Israeli Defense Forces.
The Associated Press ?@AP 4h
U.N. says civilians are three-fourths of Gaza death toll; condemns civilian deaths on both sides of conflict: http://apne.ws/1lwWS6U
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)sure knows how to pick human shields.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)sure know how to kill the shit out of little kids.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)always manages to put in the way.
malaise
(268,993 posts)and there's no way around that fact.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)don't seem to think so, if a recent vote can be taken as a sign of what they're thinking.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Care to point this out on a map?
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)and let the two sides settle their shit their own way. At some point, the Gazans are either going to get sick of being the punching bag for Hamas, or they're going to get eliminated.
I stopped feeling sorry for them the day I saw them cheering on 09/11/01.
bigtree
(85,996 posts). . . and don't account at all for the fact that the Palestinians in Gaza comprise more than one faction, but are actually several different constituencies.
from Jackson & Morelli in "The Reasons for #Wars" (2009) :
ht: Geysar Gurbanov ?@geysar
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)I'm not receptive to the bullshit you're peddling. It seems pretty clear even with the few sentences you've written so far that you were looking for an excuse to hate them. Which means you've hated them all along.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)that here on DU, we constantly need something to fight with about. I've managed to avoid the usual divisive topics, such as the gender war threads and other such divide-and-conquer stuff, but it seems that Israel vs. their hostile Islamic neighbors is another such thing that we will fight over just for the sake of fighting.
This is it, I'm done on the topic, because there are no minds to be communicated with here on this, just people who see things my way on the topic (I include ALL 100 US Senators on that) and those who will defend anyone Israel opposes no matter who they are or what they do.
It's not worth my time at a keyboard any more.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Hope you keep your word.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)no one.
So many innocent Palestinian children, not just time, shame on Israel, they are becoming a pariah by their own actions around the world. Anyone who actually CARES about Israel, will NOT support their Far Right Wing criminal govt. Sometimes I think Netanyahu's mission is to destroy that country's reputation, no one could be this stupid.
Same here with Cheney/Bush and t heir band of war criminals, they destroyed this country's moral authority, no one believes anything now that our leaders have to say about foreign policy, we have only the old Colonial nations, and Israel of course, not the people of course, their governments, supporting them now.
malaise
(268,993 posts)Don't count on many of them
bigtree
(85,996 posts). . . Israel obligated to identify specific military targets and keep the risk to civilians proportionate to the threats the targets pose.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,315 posts)for those devilish Hamas lugworms in the sand that you shit your pants about, huh?
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)I thought we quit that after Vietnam.
bigtree
(85,996 posts). . . not meant to be a Vietnam-style body count, but rather a UN-generated accounting of civilians caught in the way of the Israeli offensive.
I've never seen anyone object to an Israeli account of their own civilians caught in the way of Hamas' violence. I'm not understanding the objection to an accounting of civilians killed on the other side. Normally, the accounts aren't documented or broadcast by these types of impartial sources.
Why do you object to a categorization of those killed?
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Human beings, people, our fellow citizens of the earth, homo sapiens, mother and fathers and children, people who love and work and care. The top of the food chain. Those further down the food chain do not do this. They kill to eat. No mass slaughter.
JEB
(4,748 posts)We export arms into a boiling pot of hate and innocents are killed. Who to blame? Just look in the mirror. Every US citizen has blood on our hands for allowing our country to become one of largest arms provider of the world. Any thoughtful person would know that these arms would end up killing children.
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...for example, from Living Under Drones:
None of this surprising and so, as you point out, no one should be at all surprised.
Eisenhower made the situation clear back in 1960:
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.
Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)it isn't happening here.
Meanwhile, we have crumbling infrastructure, lack of health care, militarized police and 40 million in poverty.
But hey, we are the greatest, right?
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