Just curious why no posts about Isrsael extending cease-fire

[HERVEPA]

and Hamas rejecting it. Hamas apparently is greatly concerned over their citizens being killed. Or not.

[delrem]

1. I think a lot of people are just sick of the slaughter,

and are even sicker of the apologists for it.

[bravenak]

2. Give me a break.

Hamas s not killing their citizens. iDF is.

[delrem]

6. I like your sig. nt

[bravenak]

7. Thank you, i love beyonce.nt

[delrem]

15. I didn't know it was beyonce.

I'm out of it....

I just thought the sig suited you, the way you write.

[bravenak]

19. Awww, I'm so feeling tha love!!

I am pretty bold, can't help my self.

[sheshe2]

27. You are~

And I love ya for that, bravenak.

Haven't talked to you in awhile.

[bravenak]

30. Heyo!!!!!

I've missed you too!! Been working on a few projects on topics that i'm not interested in but, the money is decent. Still working on my main one, i got act one and three finished, but i need to finish the middle up and then get through my first rewrite. I think rewriting is the worst part.

Doing some short nonfiction ebooks, ghost writing(feel like i'm getting pimped cause i kinda am), not in my name (don't want it in my name), just to get my portfolio going. Feeling productive and pleased with myself (cause I can pretend it wasn't me). Gotta pay my dues, I need another laptop (my kids poured WATER on mine), i want a MAC so i need more money!!


I looove you!!

[sheshe2]

31. I am still willing to read the good stuff.

Shoot it to me if you wish. I love what I have read from you. I have always wanted to write, sadly I don't have the talent. I can paint though or at least I could years ago. I have a BAFA. Wish I had the money to continue.

LOL...tell the kids to pour the water down the sink and not on your computer.

Love ya too, bravenak.

[bravenak]

33. Before i do the rewrite, i'll shoot it to you for tips.

That way i won't have too many plot holes. I'm planning a series.

[sheshe2]

35. That's a plan!

Gotta go....sleep perchance to dream~

[awoke_in_2003]

65. What genre do you write? nt

[bravenak]

66. Dystopian.nt

[awoke_in_2003]

67. My favorite. nt

[bravenak]

68. Mine too.:)

[JDPriestly]

41. If that is true, why would Hamas reject extending the cease-fire?

If Hamas is not doing the killing, what do they have to lose by extending the cease-fire?

[bravenak]

43. Are you really suggesting that Hamas is in control of the IDF bomb dropping dept?

Hamas is not doing the killing of Palestinians in Gaza. If you have some evidence to the contrary that is fact based please release it. As it stands Israel has killed over 1000 Palestinians in Operation Protective Edge. Mostly civilians. The 'Hamas is forcing Israel to kill civilians' meme is not working.

[JDPriestly]

48. Why did the Palestinians build the military tunnels?

These militant tunnels are not mole holes. Some are tall enough to stand in, reinforced with concrete and equipped with electricity and phone lines in some cases.

Over the past week, Israel said its troops had at least two separate firefights with militants coming out of tunnels into Israeli territory. The military said weapons, Israeli uniforms, plastic handcuffs, and tranquilizers have been found in tunnels — tools for both potential attacks and potential kidnappings, Israel says.

One of those tunnels emerged near Israel's Kibbutz Nir Am, a lush gated community just a few hundred yards away from the northern tip of the Gaza Strip. Five Hamas gunmen shot dead four Israeli soldiers before they were killed themselves in a battle Monday.

. . . .
The Israeli military on Friday showed journalists another tunnel in the area that had been uncovered two months ago outside Nir Am. The tunnel was lined with concrete plates and was big enough for armed men wearing body armor to walk through, single file.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/07/26/335332220/the-long-history-of-the-gaza-tunnels

There is blame enough on both sides. They need to negotiate peace in good faith, and then they need to enforce the peace against their own people. There are no angels there.

[kentuck]

55. Why didn't the Israelis bomb the tunnels??

Or capture the terrorists when they used the tunnels?

Rather than raze the city of Gaza and kill innocent children?

[hack89]

60. The bombs big enough to destroy deep reinforced tunnels

Cause devastation in a huge radius. It would far exceed the present damage.

[kentuck]

61. Uh...OK.

From what I have seen, a couple of sticks of dynamite should close it up pretty good...

[JDPriestly]

64. I think I read that they found 30 tunnels.

And by the way, that is what the Israelis were doing when the current cease-fire started. They were destroying tunnels.

My opinion: that's why the Israelis went in -- to destroy the tunnels and warn Palestinians not to build any more. Just my opinion.

I just want peace and a two-nation solution. Shouldn't be that hard provided both sides negotiate in good faith. But both sides have to want peace. I'm not sure who does and who doesn't. There are arguments on both sides as to which side wants peace the least. They could stop the fighting in no time if they just accepted that neither of them is going away. Eventually they will realize that they have to live side by side for the time being.

I do take solace that Alsace Lorraine was fought over by Germany and France for 100 years and after WWII became part of France with peace on both sides now since the end of WWII. But think of the wasted lives and the lost days of peace. Pride. That's what war is about.

[NRaleighLiberal]

3. At the age of 58, I've decided that we are in perpetual Groundhog day with pretty much

all news/politics/conflicts. One observation from my 25 years in the corporate world is that people don't - can't? - learn from the past - we just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over. It happens with people, countries, governments, religions - you name it. It is exhausting and mind-numbing. And so many people die. And so much of it makes no sense....to me, anyway.

[delrem]

9. I think this is because "memes" aren't controlled by individuals.

An individual might see through a meme, but that has no bearing on the weight of the meme being long-lasting.
So the fucking meme will always be there, in all its eternal glory, until those promoting it get off the wagon. Which more often than not is accompanied by loss of income from some lobbying agency. Unfortunately.

[NRaleighLiberal]

16. great point. thanks. food for thought while I play in the garden...(my sanity place)

[Scootaloo]

4. perhaps because we've all seen this photo...

And realize that Israel's "generous" four-hour extension is meaningless in the actual scheme of things.

[HERVEPA]

8. 12 hour extension, not four

Sorry, but Hamas does not give a shit about its people.
And yes, I still think Netanyahu is a despicable human being.

[delrem]

10. So, you look at that photo and you think:

"Hamas does not give a shit about its people"

I think that's sick. Lector like sick.

[HERVEPA]

14. How does the photo show Hamas cares about its people

It shows devastation. It does not show Hamas caring.

[sabrina 1]

22. Who did that? Was it Hamas? If so, you have a point, if not I don't know what

you are trying to say.

We've seen THAT, but that is inanimate material, what we've also seen are the dozens, hundreds now, of beautiful, innocent children, dead. And many more wounded, orphaned and maimed for life.

Hamas is no longer important to this story, any blame that MIGHT have been legitimate, has been wiped out by the enormity of the crime committed now.

We've seen the depraved lack of care for human life magnified one thousand or more times, compared to Hamas.

Hamas had not fired rockets at Israel for 19 months until Netanyahu used the tragic deaths of the three Israeli teenagers as an excuse to invade Gaza again. And now we learn, he was lying, those students were already dead when he was claiming to be looking for them. AND Hamas was not responsible for their tragic and horrific murders.

[HERVEPA]

23. Your last paragraph is just not true. As they say, you could look it up.

[sabrina 1]

29. What is not true? The last I read, this morning, was that Israel had acknowledged that Hamas was

not responsible for those murders, that they knew who was. Has that been changed? Then I read that Netanyahu knew the boys were dead but acted as if they were missing and used this as his excuse to attack Gaza.

I haven't seen much news for the rest of the day, so it's possible it has been changed?

[Uncle Joe]

40. sabrina is correct about the 19 months as well.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/24/why-did-bernie-sanders-get-gaza-so-wrong/

A report issued by the authoritative the “Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center” (ITIC), a private Israeli think tank that “has close ties with the country’s military leadership,” unintentionally debunked the Senate resolution more than a week before its unanimous consent vote in the Senate. The weekly ITIC reports regarding rocket fire are frequently quoted on the Israeli government’s own web site.

The ITIC July 8, 2014 report,“News of Terrorism and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (July 2 – 8, 2014),” states: “For the first time sinceOperation Pillar of Defense [November 2012], Hamas participated in and claimed responsibility for rocket fire [on July 7, 2014].”

Thus, Hamas rocket fire only re-started on July 7after a 19 month cease-fire. As we will see, this was nearly a month after Israeli forces launched massive military operations in the West Bank and Gaza starting on June 12. But those Israeli military operations were not the only provocation.

First, about the cease fire that was in place: Operation Pillar of Defense was an 8 day aerial assault on Gaza in November 2012 that ended with a ceasefire agreement brokered by Egypt. Graphs presented on the ITIC website show that the cease-fire was effective. In the weeks and months following that agreement, the ITIC consistently reported the absence of Hamas rocket fire. In addition, a May 2013 article in the Jerusalem Post, “IDF source: Hamas working to stop Gaza rockets,” reported that Hamas was policing other groups to prevent rocket fire.

There is more information on the link.

[delrem]

26. Exactly. nt

[bravenak]

34. I read psychic.nt

[delrem]

37. Not a winner of any sweepstake, but a psycho nevertheless.

It's like Netanyahu's ghost, several times several removed.
Netanyahu being very intelligent, sharp, and total in his racist hatred of Palestinians. According as videos thankfully provided by history and of which probably most DUers have been apprised of.

Netanyahu is a problem.
This kind of shit, though? It's just white noise.

[bravenak]

38. I never liked Likud.

Or Bibi. Evil and horrible.

[Scootaloo]

18. Hamas isn't hammering Gaza's civilians with Israel's missiles

Hamas isn't manning the tanks pelting Gaza's civilians with flechette shells.

As Bravenak points out, Hamas is not the one killing Palestinians.

How vile, how disgusting it is, when someone mans the ramparts to defend the massacre of civilians with the argument of, "Well they make us kill their children!"

Twelve hours, four, whatever, it doesn't fucking matter. This is what Israel has done. And at the end of its extension - if it even keeps to it - israel will resume doing it.

[JDPriestly]

42. You are probably right.

I cannot think of any good reason for Hamas' rejection of an extension on the cease-fire. Is it because they are planning to attack Israel?

If what we are reading in the news is true, that is really mystifying.

[JDPriestly]

49. But have you seen these?

That's a photo of the Palestinian tunnels.

Blame on both sides. They need to negotiate peace. No matter how difficult, no matter how humiliating, peace is always better than war.

That Israel released prisoners as a part of the peace talks and then the talks ended and instead of continuing the talks, the Palestinians united including Hamas? That Palestinian militants emerged from the caves prior to the Israeli air raids makes me wonder whether maybe Israel knew of the plans of the Palestinians to attack Israel at the end of Ramadhan.

That's my guess. It's just a guess I admit. I have utterly no contact with anyone who would know, but that is what I read from those facts. If I were a reporter or an intelligence agent for the US, I would start looking for evidence to support my theory and throw it away if I did not find any.

[Scootaloo]

51. I'm sorry, are you comparing a tunnel to a leveled community of 100,000 people?

And doing so with what I assume must be a straight face?

[malaise]

54. +1,000

That simple

[riseabove]

5. Hello, there was a cease fire before Israel decided to wipe out ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS.

[Violet_Crumble]

11. You've got to prioritise. 50 Shades of Grey is a massive issue right now!

Israel just has to wait its turn!

[maced666]

12. Who knows. Topic fatigue, whatever.

Are you really speculating why or why not there are posts on a topic? Who the hell could know such a thing?

[HERVEPA]

17. Had Hamas proposed the cease fire and Israel rejected it there would be plenty of posts

[Scootaloo]

21. And if pigs were made of apples no one would serve sauce with chops n/t

[riseabove]

24. There was peace before this, but ISRAEL decided to accuse Hamas of killing the 3 teenagers without

any evidence, any investigation and completely tore Gaza a new one...


You really expect Palestinians to just sit there and wait until Israel strikes again?

[bemildred]

13. There are LBN posts about the Israeli cease fire and Hamas' resumption of fire.

Your premise is bullshit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014856416

A locked duplicate: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014856476

[elleng]

20. I posted in LBN,

but was a dupe and locked. There have been posts on the subject.

[riverwalker]

28. what kind of cease fire still allows destruction?

no one it taking what Israel says seriously. A bit of a credibility problem.

"on the condition that Israel Defense Forces continues dismantling and destroying militant tunnels from Gaza into Israel, according to senior Israeli officials"

[whistler162]

56. You mean other than the obvious

DON'T FIRE ROCKETS AT US!

[politicman]

36. Mabe this is why:

What kind of a ceasefire requires one side to lay down their weapons while the aggressor can continue to conduct ground operations expecting to not encounter any resistance at all?




The Israeli Security Cabinet late Saturday agreed to extend the cease-fire, starting at 5 p.m. ET, on the condition that Israel Defense Forces continues dismantling and destroying militant tunnels from Gaza into Israel, according to senior Israeli officials.

Lt. Col Peter Lerner, an IDF spokesman, told CNN that dozens of tunnels provided militants "easy infiltration" to carry out attacks against Israelis.

"We will do what it takes in order to stop this threat," he said. "We have to take this threat off of the table."

Senior Israeli officials said IDF would "act against any violations of the cease-fire" during this period. The Cabinet was to reconvene Sunday to discuss the continuation of the military operation, the officials said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/26/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[HERVEPA]

45. OK. So why did they now accept it?

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Hamas on Sunday agreed to observe a 24-hour truce in Gaza after initially rejecting a similar Israeli offer, as fighting resumed and the two sides wrangled over the terms of a lull that international diplomats had hoped could be expanded into a more sustainable truce.

[kentuck]

52. Israel announces when and if a truce has been rejected?

And the American media reports it. How do we verify that?

[politicman]

63. your propaganda is getting tiring..

Again you try to spout your Israeli propaganda but it isn't working.

Hamas have come out and said they will accept a 24 hour ceasefire where both sides lay down their arms and Israeli soldiers leave Gaza, that's reasonable.

Hamas wanted to change the narrative that Israeli has been dominating the airwaves with, claiming that Hamas rejected a humanitarian ceasefire when in actual fact it wasn't a ceasefire at all, but a way for Israeli to continue its operations on the ground and not have any resistance from Hamas while doing so.

Now the narrative is the real truth, that Hamas accepts a ceasefire under the condition that both sides stop what they are doing.

Seeing as how the news just reports the fact of who is willing to accept a ceasefire explaining the details of it, Hamas now will be referred to as accepting it while Israel most likely will have a problem with it, thus the narrative on the airwaves will have flipped around to the real truth.

[countryjake]

39. Here's one right here...

Israel Extends Temporary Cease-Fire for 24 Hours
http://www.nbcnews.com/#/nightly-news/israel-extends-temporary-cease-fire-24-hours-n165851

This report addresses both of your questions, plus it details the story of the father who had seen the viral video from last weekend, discovering his son's body. The young man had been shot by a sniper during another ceasefire a week ago, as he walked thru his bombed-out eastern Gaza City neighborhood of Shujai'iya searching for relatives. International volunteers and journalists who were with him filmed the whole thing. 20-year-old Salem Shamaly has now finally been found and buried.

Ayman Mohyeldin on Twitter



This article from early last week in the NYTimes shows almost 16 minutes of the raw footage of the murder of Salem Shamaly, during last week's ceasefire.

Palestinian Family Finds Missing Son in YouTube Video of His Shooting JULY 22, 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/world/middleeast/palestinian-family-finds-missing-son-in-youtube-video-of-his-shooting.html?_r=0

[Puzzledtraveller]

44. It's pathological..

[GeorgeGist]

46. and so it goes.

As the saying goes "Location, location, location". I'm sorry that Israelis chose badly.

[Orrex]

47. You mean Israel's too-little-too-late offer to temporarily stop murdering civilians?

Israel can stop the slaughter immediately. Hamas can not. Therefore Israel's offer is hollow and inadequate.

[whistler162]

57. Hamas can't stop firing rockets at Israel,

and building tunnels to infilrate Israel? Odd!

[Orrex]

58. "To infiltrate Israel?" Way to catapult the propaganda!

"Infiltrate Israel?" To what end? Probably something scandalous like the smuggling of food, supplies, and medicine, which Israel's blockade has cut off, in a sickening and ongoing act of collective punishment.

If Hamas were to stop the rocket attacks, it would have little impact on Israeli fatalities, and history gives little guarantee that it will stop Israel's air strikes or ground offensive. As such, Hamas has little or no power to stop the deaths of Palestinians.

Israel, in stark and bloody contrast, could stop the slaughter today if they wanted to, with almost no risk to its citizens (based on the extremely low success rate of Hamas rocket attacks). One might reasonably conclude that Israel maintains its attack simply because it wants to maintain that attack.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

69. Hamas had not been fireing rockets at Israel

for 19 months, they only started again once Israel killed 6 members of Hamas so kind of silly to claim that they can't stop firing rockets neh?

[kentuck]

50. Where did you hear that Hamas rejected it???

Netanyahou said it on TV this morning??

I was waiting to hear a Hamas "leader" reject it?

Still waiting.

American media is carrying water for the Israeli government.

[hrmjustin]

53. Post it then. Oh you just did.

[Rex]

59. Wow you got pwned in your own thread!

[HERVEPA]

70. Your idiotic comments are growing tiresome.

[NaturalHigh]

62. Because it goes against the prevailing anti-Israel sentiment.