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African cocoa farmer tastes chocolate for the first time... (Original Post) Skidmore Jul 2014 OP
Fascinating! k&r polichick Jul 2014 #1
"White people are addicted to it" Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #2
I think its important to know this stuff. What a great bunch of people. I want to buy a brick or roguevalley Jul 2014 #3
I was 35 and on my third trip to Thailand dickthegrouch Jul 2014 #4
"What a privilege to taste it." Brickbat Jul 2014 #5
Hard to believe malaise Jul 2014 #6
Beautiful land, good people, great things! I wish I could visit it. freshwest Jul 2014 #33
I reckon their lives will never be the same again madokie Jul 2014 #7
beautiful grasswire Jul 2014 #8
Not all that many jmowreader Jul 2014 #51
Puts a great many things into perspective. Lobo27 Jul 2014 #9
I'm lower middle class in America. Probably in the 1% globally. CrispyQ Jul 2014 #13
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #10
Thank you for the lovely video azurnoir Jul 2014 #11
LOL. "This is why white people are so healthy." Rozlee Jul 2014 #12
This is a perfect illustration of why I believe that a person... LanternWaste Jul 2014 #14
Wow A Little Weird Jul 2014 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #39
That is apples and oranges you have lined up there. Skidmore Jul 2014 #26
poverty is indeed the same, the degrees of poverty however, are not. LanternWaste Jul 2014 #38
These Aricans live in a warm climate. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #44
I think part of it also has to do with the family structure fujiyama Aug 2014 #54
I'm delighted to see their reaction to a food that I can enjoy on a whim. I love it, Ed Suspicious Jul 2014 #15
Or, another way to look at it....... WillowTree Jul 2014 #28
Well said. narnian60 Jul 2014 #46
Thank you so much for sharing this. Laffy Kat Jul 2014 #16
How incredible! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #17
That made my day. lovemydog Jul 2014 #18
Same here! Thanks to Alfonse and his crew. Truly good people. freshwest Jul 2014 #34
What would be really great would be to teach them to make chocolate themselves. n/t eggplant Jul 2014 #19
They'd have to have a source of sugar. Neoma Jul 2014 #21
That could probably be arranged. KamaAina Jul 2014 #23
And they would need other resources and money... eggplant Jul 2014 #25
Hell yeah! KamaAina Jul 2014 #30
We take so much for granted. This was fun to watch to see the expression Grammy23 Jul 2014 #20
If they could xfundy Jul 2014 #24
I was so entranced I clicked through d_r Jul 2014 #27
Can't see video at work... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #29
Amazing. I even posted it on facebook. n/t FourScore Jul 2014 #31
"Mmmmm, c'est doux" (it's sweet) aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #32
Strange, I don't see them as 'being in poverty.' Being close to nature is priceless. freshwest Jul 2014 #35
Poverty isn't cool XemaSab Jul 2014 #50
Thank you so much for posting this most human of videos, Skidmore! Surya Gayatri Jul 2014 #36
Well said. narnian60 Jul 2014 #47
That was fantastic. Skinner Jul 2014 #37
^eom littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #40
Soyant Green - reminder packman Jul 2014 #41
That scene has a neat history jmowreader Jul 2014 #52
He should have given them toothbrushes afterward ErikJ Jul 2014 #42
That was cute. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2014 #43
Yes. French and Dutch. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #45
Very sweet when one of the gentleman said narnian60 Jul 2014 #48
That was sweet. It reminded me of when senseandsensibility Jul 2014 #53

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
3. I think its important to know this stuff. What a great bunch of people. I want to buy a brick or
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jul 2014

ten and mail it to them. God bless the workers of this world and these people. Graceful even in adversity.

dickthegrouch

(3,173 posts)
4. I was 35 and on my third trip to Thailand
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jul 2014

Before I realized I had no idea what a rice plant looked like, or which part of the plant I was actually eating. The locals were similarly incredulous that I would be so uneducated.

If only their supposition at the end of the clip had been true, Michael Jackson could have saved a bundle

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
51. Not all that many
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 09:43 PM
Jul 2014

Cacao takes a lot of processing to make it come out as chocolate. Most foods you can just eat, often with a little cooking.

Lobo27

(753 posts)
9. Puts a great many things into perspective.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jul 2014

I know a lot of folks have it rough here, but in other parts of the world they would think we were kings with the little some of us have.

CrispyQ

(36,463 posts)
13. I'm lower middle class in America. Probably in the 1% globally.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jul 2014

It makes you pause & be thankful.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
12. LOL. "This is why white people are so healthy."
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:45 PM
Jul 2014

I don't see much obesity in the video. I wonder what percentage of their population has diabetes? They might die from other problems related to lack of available clean water or poverty, but it's evident that they're not dying of the excesses of the Western diet.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. This is a perfect illustration of why I believe that a person...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jul 2014

This is a perfect illustration of why I believe that a person who lives in an air-conditioned apartment with cable and internet and a microwave and gaming consoles criticizing another person for owning a closet bigger than their apartment is little more than a pharisee, a dissembler and a phony.

For as long as the over-worked, the subsistence farmer and the actual impoverished exists, their complaints about others living the high life are, at best, mere ignorance...

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
22. Wow
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:35 PM
Jul 2014

I've seen that argument on Fox News - our poor aren't really poor because they have a refrigerator, AC, TVs, etc. I disagree. I think income inequality is a very real problem in this country. Complaining about the very unequal system we have does not make someone a "pharisee, dissembler, or phony".

Obviously there are people worse off than we are and that is also a problem that should be addressed, but I don't think we have to ignore problems here until those in more impoverished places are solved.

Response to A Little Weird (Reply #22)

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
26. That is apples and oranges you have lined up there.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:41 PM
Jul 2014

There recently was a discussion over when rich people speak scornfully of the less well off who must seek assistance but own a couple luxury items or a car. The idea that one is impoverished is certainly different in a First World industrialized society than it is a Third World agrarian one. Poverty is poverty either way. Whether you own a beater of a car or a used television, or a goat, for that matter, is irrelevant. If you are living paycheck to paycheck, whatever the scale, poverty is the same.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
38. poverty is indeed the same, the degrees of poverty however, are not.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 10:33 AM
Jul 2014

Yes... poverty is indeed the same, the degrees of poverty however, are not.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
44. These Aricans live in a warm climate.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jul 2014

Yesterday i went to my doctor's office here in Los Angeles. You should have seen the homeless people sleeping right around the corner. We have terrible poverty in the US, at least in Los Angeles where the homeless can sleep in the open most of the year.

Subsistence farmers are better off than our homeless people.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
54. I think part of it also has to do with the family structure
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:01 PM
Aug 2014

Subsistence farmers are typically going to pool resources with other family members and others in the village. So while there is great poverty, they will look after each other for basic necessities.

In western countries, we live much more fragmented and individualistic lives.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
15. I'm delighted to see their reaction to a food that I can enjoy on a whim. I love it,
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jul 2014

but sort of take it for granted. It makes me so sad that these people have probably worked their whole lives harvesting and drying the beans while never knowing what the end product is let alone tasting it.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
28. Or, another way to look at it.......
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:49 PM
Jul 2014

.......is that those gentlemen probably got more pleasure from that one small taste of chocolate than any of us have ever gotten or ever will get from the most decadent hot fudge sundae. It's a matter of proportion. As sad as their circumstances are, they likely appreciate anything at all that they do get more than we appreciate everything at all that we have.

God bless them.

Laffy Kat

(16,377 posts)
16. Thank you so much for sharing this.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 04:26 PM
Jul 2014

I am going to think about this video, these workers, every time I eat chocolate. We take so much for granted.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
25. And they would need other resources and money...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:26 PM
Jul 2014

...and enterprising organizations that provide microloans could probably do a lot to get them going. Fair trade is a good thing.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
20. We take so much for granted. This was fun to watch to see the expression
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:08 PM
Jul 2014


on their faces as they tasted the sweet treat many of us enjoy whenever we want to. They work hard, have low pay and cannot imagine what is done with the product that they harvest. The instant smiles and the bigger smiles when they were told that there was more to share was a joy to watch. I had to laugh when one of the men commented that "white people are addicted to it". Yep. there are plenty of folks around the world that readily admit that. In fact, that is how they would characterize their love of chocolate.


xfundy

(5,105 posts)
24. If they could
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:06 PM
Jul 2014

Repigs would make all workers ignorant of anything but backbreaking, repetitious work.

I too hope they learn how to make it. Surely they have some form of sugar/sweetener. I'd much rather buy a product from the person who made it.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
27. I was so entranced I clicked through
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jul 2014

and found some more interesting videos from the same show.

Here they give Dutch people the unshucked (?) cocoa bean and ask them what it is:

?list=UUpnazGScKQfGauk7YNyI21w

Here they interview a lady in Mexico about how the ancient cultures there used it:



And here are some farmers in Tanzania who are doing better economically because of fair trade chocolate:



 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
29. Can't see video at work...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:08 PM
Jul 2014

but I hope they gave him some good stuff, and not the junk Hershey's chunks out.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
32. "Mmmmm, c'est doux" (it's sweet)
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 12:50 AM
Jul 2014

Amazing that they never realized chocolate tasted sweet. This is a cool clip, and I love their Ivory Coast French accents.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
35. Strange, I don't see them as 'being in poverty.' Being close to nature is priceless.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 04:10 AM
Jul 2014

They also seem to feel in control of their lives and are not subject to the clock, pollution and the stressed out, sterile and discontented lives many in the west are trapped in.

There may some things going on in their lives that are bad we don't see, but our standards of living the 'good life' largely consists of the accumulation of dead things made to occupy our time as we are removed from nature, the true creator of wealth.

It seems they have connections with the Dutch or others to buy their product and both benefit.

This operation does not appear to be like cocoa producers who use children as slave labor. They don't have a chance to escape or change their lives, which is a great evil.

That's not what I see with Alfonse there. The rural life isn't for everyone, but the people in urban areas are dependent on rural people. We need them.

Just a few thoughts. I loved this video, it made me smile so much to see their life and their satisfaction from their work and then they got to have the chocolate made by others with their cocoa.

But the idea that eating chocolate makes 'the whites' healthy is an error IMO. Sugar causes health problems. I've eaten raw organic cocoa; it isn't sweet but supposed to be good for you in that more natural state.

Nice to end the day with. TY, Skidmore.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
36. Thank you so much for posting this most human of videos, Skidmore!
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 08:16 AM
Jul 2014

I was smiling and laughing with them all the way through.
How beautiful, hard-working and humble they are.
Imagine the joy of tasting glorious chocolate for the first time ever!
What a contrast with our privileged, self-indulgent western ways.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
41. Soyant Green - reminder
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 12:50 PM
Jul 2014

When I saw that video, It struck a chord with me about that eating scene in Soyant Green:

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
52. That scene has a neat history
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 09:51 PM
Jul 2014

The writer put "have dinner" or something like that in the script. The crew set up two cameras, put Edward G. Robinson and Charlton Heston on set, and caught the whole scene in one continuous shot.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
42. He should have given them toothbrushes afterward
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 12:56 PM
Jul 2014

Africans exposed to the western diet (photos on right) lose a lot of teeth.

FIG. 44. Wherever the Africans have aidopted the foods of modern commerce, dental caries was active, thus destroying large numbers of the teeth and causing great suffering. The cases shown here are typical of workers on plantations which largely use imported foods.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,326 posts)
43. That was cute.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 01:02 PM
Jul 2014

Anybody know what languages are spoken?

The workers sounded sort of like French.

I assume the narrator is Dutch?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
49. Yes. French and Dutch.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 01:40 PM
Jul 2014

Someone else posted videos in Dutch and one with Spanish and Dutch.

Dutch was the first "foreign" language I heard as a small child. If you listen carefully, I think it is easy to understand. It is sort of a cross between English and German with occasional French creeping in. I just love the language. It has such a happy sound.

Response to Skidmore (Original post)

senseandsensibility

(17,026 posts)
53. That was sweet. It reminded me of when
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 10:03 PM
Jul 2014

the elementary students I teach will cut a shape out of construction paper for an art project and want to keep the remaining paper surrounding the cut. Of course I teach in an economically disadvantaged area, but it always gives me pause when they do that. It is a gift to find joy in small things, although poverty is not something to be romanticized.

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