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There is no need for anyone to fly off the handle, but is HRC part
of that theocratic and very dangerous group called The Family?
I was shocked to read that in comments on Raw Story. If so, please, let us know. If not please show how you know.
I think that this is an extremely important question, yet I don't want to believe it.
I dislike her corporation romance (probably more of a serious affair), but, if true, this would blow me away.
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Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"
, a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.
Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."
, a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.
Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics?page=2
why you are mocking the OP's question? There is no doubt that she is part of this religions organization. As for the illuminati, I know nothing about that. But The Family, yes, Hillary has been part of it since the early 'nineties.
From Mother Jones:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics?page=3
We contacted all of Clinton's Fellowship cell mates, but only one agreed to speak—though she stressed that there's much she's not "at liberty" to reveal. Grace Nelson used to be the organizer of the Florida Governor's Prayer Breakfast, which makes her a piety broker in Florida politics—she would decide who could share the head table with Jeb Bush. Clinton's prayer cell was tight-knit, according to Nelson, who recalled that one of her conservative prayer partners was at first loath to pray for the first lady, but learned to "love Hillary as much as any of us love Hillary." Cells like these, Nelson added, exist in "parliaments all over the world," with all welcome so long as they submit to "the person of Jesus" as the source of their power.
Throughout her time at the White House, Clinton writes in Living History, she took solace from "daily scriptures" sent to her by her Fellowship prayer cell, along with Coe's assurances that she was right where God wanted her. (Clinton's sense of divine guidance has been noted by others: Bishop Richard Wilke, who presided over the United Methodist Church of Arkansas during her years in Little Rock, told us, "If I asked Hillary, 'What does the Lord want you to do?' she would say, 'I think I'm called by the Lord to be in public service at whatever level he wants me.'"
Throughout her time at the White House, Clinton writes in Living History, she took solace from "daily scriptures" sent to her by her Fellowship prayer cell, along with Coe's assurances that she was right where God wanted her. (Clinton's sense of divine guidance has been noted by others: Bishop Richard Wilke, who presided over the United Methodist Church of Arkansas during her years in Little Rock, told us, "If I asked Hillary, 'What does the Lord want you to do?' she would say, 'I think I'm called by the Lord to be in public service at whatever level he wants me.'"
Since she doesn't deny it, why the attitude from some in this thread?
A DUer asked a question, the answer is easily found. I can understand the reaction to The Family, considering its activities, it's ultra Conservative membership, it's associations throughout its history with dictators and govts like Uganda's current anti-Gay regime, eg. They think of themselves as above it all, a sort religious version of the Third Way.
But regardless of what they are, a cult with an enormous and troubling amount of influence on our government, the OP asked a simple question, and the answer is just as simple, YES, Hillary is associated with the Family.
it was okay to belong to the same prayer group that Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, John Glenn, and other Dems belonged to!
http://www.thefullwiki.org/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization)
Thanks in advance
Oh wait Hillary Clinton!
Yes she is part of the family all right, just not the family you are thinking of.
Second time someone was "uncomfortable" for her not standing for some values but associating with some religious fundies when there was overlap.
I'm fine with strategic political partnerships. It means the politician in question knows how to play the game. I think Clinton would play it quite well. And given her past history with the right wing (she coined the term "great rightwing conspiracy" , she'll know not to play their game.
Know thy enemy.
This link might help answer your question:
Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics
When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.
Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family" , a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.
Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."
The Fellowship's ideas are essentially a blend of Calvinism and Norman Vincent Peale, the 1960s preacher of positive thinking. It's a cheery faith in the "elect" chosen by a single voter—God—and a devotion to Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers....The powers that be are ordained of God." Or, as Coe has put it, "we work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."
Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"
, a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.
Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."
The Fellowship's ideas are essentially a blend of Calvinism and Norman Vincent Peale, the 1960s preacher of positive thinking. It's a cheery faith in the "elect" chosen by a single voter—God—and a devotion to Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers....The powers that be are ordained of God." Or, as Coe has put it, "we work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."
There's lots more. I'm sorry people are poo-pooing your very legitimate question. This article, among others I've read confirm her relationship with The Family.
Egggggg.....selll.....ennnnnnnt!!!!!!
Post 33: where the author emphatically states Hillary IS NOT nor has she ever been a member of THE FAMILY:
Here is what I've gathered and here is what is printed in the book.
The author states Clinton is, indeed, religious. Big surprise, right?
The first time Sharlet uses The Reverend Rob Schenck, the founder of a ministry called Faith and Action in the Nation’s Capital—a knockoff of the Family, the theological equivalent of fake Gucci - as a source:
The author then explicitly states (and there really is no room for interpretation here):
And there you have it, folks. The most damning passage linking Hillary to 'The Family.' The rest of the book's commentary on Clinton is, in my opinion, a judgmental assault on Hillary for being religious, ambitious and being willing to mix the two. If you want to knock her for that, be my guest, but that is a technique many politicians (yes, even liberal ones) have used to great success.
But who else is mentioned in the book as a 'friend' of The Family? Al Gore (page 259)
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Post 37: Where a DUer provided a link to the actual book for all to read PLUS gives further information on the chapter about Hillary Clinton:
If you continue that chapter he does go on to say she's a "Cold Warrior," someone who evokes Cold War mythology, but even then that's not a big deal, she aged in that time, it makes sense. And later on he says she was distancing herself from her feminism yet we know that is objectively false with her latest speaking tours, where she has called for people to call her a feminist.
When I said "explicitly" I meant it. There's really no room for interpretation. Sharlet never said what people claim he said at all.
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Post 61: Where a DUer points out her 'association' with them ended in 2001 .
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Post 40: Where a DUer still clings to the now debunked belief she was a member of the family by quoting the same MotherJones article that incorrectly (intentionally or unintentionally) interprets a passage in Hillary book, Living History.
Did you know Doug Coe, the leader of the Family, is mentioned exactly ONE time in Living History? ONE time. On page 168 in a passage in which Hillary is discussing her faith. It's a very brief mention in which she states, like the article states above, he assured her she was was she needed to be spiritually. What MotherJones and the rest of these 'progressive' muckrakers aren't saying (and I guess they're hoping you won't check yourself) is the same passage Coe is mentioned in covers several other religious contacts including Holly Leachman and Linda Lader who invited both Hillary and Tipper Gore to a bipartisan women's only prayer group.
All in all, the religious faith passage covers only six paragraphs and and this period was when Clinton was close to, and then did, lose her father.
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Post 68: Where a DUer points out Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, John Glenn and others were 'associated' yet there has been ZERO wailing and gnashing of teeth over that.
So this is where I'm going to do a little creative speculation. I hear the word bounced around a lot on DU: Misogyny. Here we have a book that progressives have misquoted and misinterpreted in an effort to prove Hillary is some kind of nefarious cult member. Yet the book plainly states she was not and that others like Ted Kennedy and Al Gore shared the same
association.
The book finds fault with Hillary for being religious, ambitious and being willing to mix the two yet doesn't raise an eyebrow at her male counterparts for doing the same. Why is that?? Think about it.
Here is what I've gathered and here is what is printed in the book.
The author states Clinton is, indeed, religious. Big surprise, right?
The first time Sharlet uses The Reverend Rob Schenck, the founder of a ministry called Faith and Action in the Nation’s Capital—a knockoff of the Family, the theological equivalent of fake Gucci - as a source:
For instance, says Schenck, Senators Sam Brownback and Hillary Clinton, partners in prayer at Coe’s weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. The Family is dedicated to spiritual war, not the intramural combat of party politics, Schenck explained. Coe doesn’t have a systematic theology, he has a vision of power. Not just to come, but as it exists. “They’re into living with what is,” said Schenck. “But you don’t want to alienate them, you don’t want to antagonize them. You need them as your friends. Even Hillary will need them. They keep a sort of cultural homeostasis in Washington. Washington right now is a town where if you’re going to be powerful, you need religion. That’s just the way it’s done.”
The author then explicitly states (and there really is no room for interpretation here):
Hillary may well be God’s beautiful child, (my note: a term Sam Brownback calls people like Paul Wellstone, Ted Kennedy and, yes, Hillary Clinton) but she’s not a member of Coe’s Family. Rather, I’d been told at Ivanwald, she’s a “friend,” less elect then a member, but more chosen than the rest of us. A fellow traveler but not a sister. Her goals are not their goals; but when on occasion they coincide, Hillary and the Family can work together.
And there you have it, folks. The most damning passage linking Hillary to 'The Family.' The rest of the book's commentary on Clinton is, in my opinion, a judgmental assault on Hillary for being religious, ambitious and being willing to mix the two. If you want to knock her for that, be my guest, but that is a technique many politicians (yes, even liberal ones) have used to great success.
But who else is mentioned in the book as a 'friend' of The Family? Al Gore (page 259)
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Post 37: Where a DUer provided a link to the actual book for all to read PLUS gives further information on the chapter about Hillary Clinton:
If you continue that chapter he does go on to say she's a "Cold Warrior," someone who evokes Cold War mythology, but even then that's not a big deal, she aged in that time, it makes sense. And later on he says she was distancing herself from her feminism yet we know that is objectively false with her latest speaking tours, where she has called for people to call her a feminist.
When I said "explicitly" I meant it. There's really no room for interpretation. Sharlet never said what people claim he said at all.
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Post 61: Where a DUer points out her 'association' with them ended in 2001 .
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Post 40: Where a DUer still clings to the now debunked belief she was a member of the family by quoting the same MotherJones article that incorrectly (intentionally or unintentionally) interprets a passage in Hillary book, Living History.
Throughout her time at the White House, Clinton writes in Living History, she took solace from "daily scriptures" sent to her by her Fellowship prayer cell, along with Coe's assurances that she was right where God wanted her. (Clinton's sense of divine guidance has been noted by others: Bishop Richard Wilke, who presided over the United Methodist Church of Arkansas during her years in Little Rock, told us, "If I asked Hillary, 'What does the Lord want you to do?' she would say, 'I think I'm called by the Lord to be in public service at whatever level he wants me.'"
Did you know Doug Coe, the leader of the Family, is mentioned exactly ONE time in Living History? ONE time. On page 168 in a passage in which Hillary is discussing her faith. It's a very brief mention in which she states, like the article states above, he assured her she was was she needed to be spiritually. What MotherJones and the rest of these 'progressive' muckrakers aren't saying (and I guess they're hoping you won't check yourself) is the same passage Coe is mentioned in covers several other religious contacts including Holly Leachman and Linda Lader who invited both Hillary and Tipper Gore to a bipartisan women's only prayer group.
All in all, the religious faith passage covers only six paragraphs and and this period was when Clinton was close to, and then did, lose her father.
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Post 68: Where a DUer points out Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, John Glenn and others were 'associated' yet there has been ZERO wailing and gnashing of teeth over that.
So this is where I'm going to do a little creative speculation. I hear the word bounced around a lot on DU: Misogyny. Here we have a book that progressives have misquoted and misinterpreted in an effort to prove Hillary is some kind of nefarious cult member. Yet the book plainly states she was not and that others like Ted Kennedy and Al Gore shared the same
association.
The book finds fault with Hillary for being religious, ambitious and being willing to mix the two yet doesn't raise an eyebrow at her male counterparts for doing the same. Why is that?? Think about it.
Oh, the huge manatee!
That IS a problem! If we're to be CONSISTENT that is....!
