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Sat Sep 6, 2014, 06:23 PM

 

CDC Statistics Show What Happens When You Don't Vaccinate



The latest figures: Between January 1 and August 29 of this year, nearly 600 confirmed measles cases were reported to the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. The resurgence is the greatest the U.S. has seen since the disease was eliminated from the country in 2000.

Notably, it has not taken the U.S. eight months to reach this ugly milestone. By May, the country had already seen 288 cases of measles – the most in a five-month period since 1994, and more than had been reported for a given year in well over a decade. The cause for the resurgence is as unambiguous today as it was then. To quote Dr. Anne Schuchat, assistant surgeon general and director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases: "The current increase in measles cases is being driven by unvaccinated people."

The harmful effects of vaccine-refusal have not been limited to measles' comeback. California, the most populous state in the U.S., has become a case study in what happens when people decide against vaccinating their children. The L.A. Times reports California parents today are opting out of vaccinating their kids at twice the rate they did seven years ago. State health officials say insufficient vaccination has contributed not only to the the widespread reemergence of measles, but the ongoing whooping cough epidemic, and has left the state vulnerable to outbreaks of other serious diseases.

"We have schools in California where the percent of children who exercise the personal belief exemption is well above 50%," Dr. Gil Chavez, deputy director of the California Department of Public Health's Center for Infectious Diseases, told the LAT. "That's going to be a challenge for any disease that is vaccine preventable."

more:
http://io9.com/what-happens-when-you-dont-vaccinate-1631423511

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baldguy Sep 2014 OP
DesertDiamond Sep 2014 #1
kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #3
baldguy Sep 2014 #5
sybylla Sep 2014 #10
proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #16
truedelphi Sep 2014 #29
proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #17
proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #22
proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #19
truedelphi Sep 2014 #30
Skittles Sep 2014 #11
Strat54 Sep 2014 #14
Mariana Sep 2014 #24
jeff47 Sep 2014 #25
kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #2
baldguy Sep 2014 #6
laundry_queen Sep 2014 #15
japple Sep 2014 #7
Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #13
csziggy Sep 2014 #18
REP Sep 2014 #36
kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #4
jeff47 Sep 2014 #35
bhikkhu Sep 2014 #8
jeff47 Sep 2014 #34
littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #9
Name removed Sep 2014 #12
freshwest Sep 2014 #20
jeff47 Sep 2014 #27
xchrom Sep 2014 #21
Trillo Sep 2014 #23
jeff47 Sep 2014 #26
proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #32
jeff47 Sep 2014 #33
proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #39
jeff47 Sep 2014 #40
proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #41
jeff47 Sep 2014 #42
proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #43
REP Sep 2014 #37
bhikkhu Sep 2014 #38
Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #28
SidDithers Sep 2014 #31

Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:49 PM

1. This article fails to mention that people who are vaccinated can still get the disease, and can also

infect others. They go straight to blaming people who don't vaccinate because it's an easy answer, and they don't look any further.

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Response to DesertDiamond (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:59 PM

3. Thank you for that! nt

 

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Response to DesertDiamond (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:06 PM

5. You fail to take into account that this has always been a (very small) risk

 

The 300% rise in measles has only occurred after the anti-vaxx stupidity has become a public health issue.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #5)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:49 PM

10. +1000

In case they didn't notice, the disease was considered eliminated from the US in 2000. The only thing capable of bringing it back are anti-vaxers.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #5)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 11:59 PM

16. The following graphic makes clear how current official recommended schedules are varied by country.



Money guys and public health guys likely scrutinize different numbers in this chart.

http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20130514-918807.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merck_%26_Co.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer

And, of course, it's no matter that, "Private equity has invested billions of dollars in the pharmaceutical industry," according to an article I decline to cite at http://www.commondreams.org (why don't you just google it).

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #16)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:04 PM

29. People in the USA are waking up to the idea that vaccinating babies under the age of one

Is indeed a horrible idea.

Often, the more educated communities, like Marin County, have more households where vaccines are not being given to their youngest family members.

A mis-conception deliberately promoted by the pro-vaccine crowd has to do with implying that the “anti vaccination” crowd does not understand science. The truth is, a large portion of the “anti vaccination” crowd are scientists, PhD’s, and professors. “Anti-vaccination” movements are backed by a tremendous amount of science, just as is the “pro-vaccination” movement. But at the end of the day, there is really no need for these types of segregatory labels. It’s best to examine the science from a place of complete neutrality. Often, our beliefs about vaccines prevent us from doing this. And the fact that the Big Pharmaceutical industry controls so many of the laboratory efforts that shuld be looking into the issue objectionally, but instead are driven by the interst of finances to find the results that Big Pharma desires, tells us a lot about how real science is being disappeared.





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Response to baldguy (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 12:01 AM

17. The following graphic makes clear how the US schedule has changed since the 1980's.



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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:55 AM

22. Update.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/news/newsltrs/imwrks/2014/2014-01.html

CDC Immunization Works
January 2014


...The 2014 child and adolescent schedule is set to be released on January 31 and the adult schedule is set to be released on February 3. Until then, the 2013 schedules will remain on the website.

RELATED: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101688193

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Response to baldguy (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:16 AM

19. Watch them all, please. It's clear there's a public health issue here, but not the one you describe.

Scientist and autism mother, Becky Howell-Adams:

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Another mother:

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The DTaP vaccine package insert from the Sanofi Pasteur pharmaceutical company, clearly displayed on a United States government website, lists autism on page 11 as an adverse event reported because of the vaccine:

"Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, AUTISM..."


Another mother:
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A father:
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Another father:
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FIND MORE BRAVERY (~400 videos emailed to organizers to date): #hearthisnow #CDCwhistleblower on Youtube

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:11 PM

30. Thank you for these videos.

Also, to date there has been no "proof" at all that autism was not caused by the thimerosal containing vaccines.

The study that pruported to do that was flawed in its methodology. It compared the data taken from the health records of a group of babies and children who had been vaccinated with the mercury-containing vaccines, to the data from health records of babies and children who had been vaccinated with vaccines free of thimerosal but where formaldehyde was in its place! So of course, both groups would have roughly the same number of affected-with-autism babies and children. (Formaldehyde ranks only slightly lower than mercury on a list of deadly toxins.)

Yet the headlines from this study are what most vaccine defenders point to when they start saying it has been proven that autism is not caused by vaccines!

Oh, and earlier this year, doctors at the Children's Hospital connected with Stanford Univ. Hospital, reported multiple instances of a disease that resembled polio. I had to wonder if this "mystery" disease afflicting these children was not in fact Guillaume Barre Syndrome, and that it occurred in children who had been vaccinated two or three weeks before the "mystery" ailment showed up in their bodies.

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Response to DesertDiamond (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 09:07 PM

11. thank you Ms. McCarthy

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Response to DesertDiamond (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 09:21 PM

14. uhhhh...because it is the fault of anti-vax nut jobs.

 

If your child has demonstrated an allergy to the vaccine or if your doctor has reason to believe that family history suggests an allergy to it, then of course use your best judgement. But if it is just some crackpot conspiracy that has been disproved repeatedly, then not vaccinating is child neglect.

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Response to DesertDiamond (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 10:35 AM

24. That's exactly right.

But vaccinated people who get sick almost always get it from an unvaccinated person.

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Response to DesertDiamond (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 10:40 AM

25. Google herd immunity and you'll discover why that's a bad reason to stop vaccinating. (nt)

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:57 PM

2. I just want to understand vaccination a little better.

 

I received all my vaccination back in the between 1943 and 1950 and I caught everyone of the childhood diseases except smallpox and polio. I had measles, mumps, chickenpox, whooping cough, Anyone else? I did have two school mates that had polio.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:08 PM

6. But you're not dead, are you?

 

If those diseases weren't deadly, it wouldn't be an issue.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 09:56 PM

15. Every disease is deadly to some extent.

The flu. Strep throat. A simple cold can cause pneumonia or severe sinus infection. One friend of mine nearly died from an infection in his throat he didn't know he had (it created a nodule that closed off his air slowly so he didn't realize it. His neighbor found him unconscious.) Heck, I had another friend whose infant died from norovirus at 5 months old. I wish there was more of an outcry for a norovirus vaccine. I've never been so sick in my life as every single time I get it and it's one of only 2 times I've ever had to take a kid to the hospital was because of that fucking horrid virus (the other time was a sudden strep infection that turned into a full body rash within a day). From the CDC "Norovirus is also estimated to cause 56,000 to 71,000 hospitalizations and 570 to 800 deaths each year in the United States." I hate norovirus, can you tell? We need a vaccine for THAT.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:13 PM

7. I don't know. I never "broke-out" with measles of any sort, even though my

younger brother and older sister had them on at least one occasion. When I was in Jr. High in 1963-64, there was a measles epidemic and our school was closed for about a week. I didn't ever have spots or "erupt" with a case of measles. At 64 yrs., I had a titer at hospital employment physical that gave a positive exposure to measles.

I don't know enough about the various strains (three-day, German, etc.) to know what this means.

From birth through jr. high, I was in US DOD healthcare, either US or in Germany and got all those shots that US military dependents had to get, esp. those who were stationed abroad.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 09:19 PM

13. There was no vaccine for measles or chicken pox then (IDK about the others)

and persons born before 1956 or so are considered immune to measles because nearly everyone either had it or was exposed to it regularly and never had a case of it. Chickenpox also was very common and few in your age cohort missed it. Mumps happened with some regularity too.

Having the disease and surviving it usually confers lifetime immunity. However, to allow everyone to test their immune systems this way is risky, especially for subsets of the population like infants and those with compromised immune systems. That's why having immunization rates sufficient for herd immunity is the current approach.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 01:46 AM

18. Year each vaccine was developed

All from Wikipedia articles:
Year - disease
1798 - smallpox (modern versions developed 1940-60s)
1955 - polio (licensed in 1962)
1963 - measles
1948 - mumps
1974 - chickenpox (available in US since 1995)
1930 - whooping cough (new version in the 1980s)

I was born in 1952. In the late 50s and early 60s Mom worked at the local hospital as head nurse in the pediatric ward. She had access to vaccinations and would bring them home to vaccinate us. I still got whooping cough, mumps, measles and chickenpox - most in the years before she was working or before the vaccinations were available.

I knew people that had polio, or that had problems because of exposure to measles (friend's brother was exposed in utero and and serious medical problems, boy in the neighborhood had measles as a pre-teen and got very sick, including hearing problems). I face the threat of shingles because of my chickenpox bout and suspect some of my breathing problems are because of having whooping cough as an infant.

While we survived, I know my Mom would have given us all recommended vaccinations available. She grew up and trained as an RN before most were available and before modern antibiotics were available. She saw what those diseases could do when running rampant through a population.

I think too many people today have forgotten history and how many children died from what are now - thanks to childhood vaccinations - considered just nuisance diseases. I worry about the future when a combination of unvaccinated people and antibiotic resistant diseases will return us to those bad old days.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 08:04 PM

36. The vaccines available at that time were: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (DTP) and smallpox

The polio vaccine was introduced in the late 1950s. The MMR was not in use until 1971 (I got the first measles, mumps and rubella vaccines in the 60s and the MMR when it was introduced).

I had chicken pox - an extremely severe case; all my mucus membranes were affected and I had such a high fever I had to be given ice baths - when I was in my teens. The chicken pox vaccine did not become available until 1995. I had the pneumonia jab when it became available - so nice not getting pneumonia every year.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:02 PM

4. Just maybe the diseases developed immunity or resistence to our current vaccinations or

 

maybe the vaccines themselves have become ineffective.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 06:41 PM

35. If that were the case, the disease rate would be the same among

vaccinated and non-vaccinated children. It isn't. The diseases are MUCH more common among the unvaccinated.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:15 PM

8. When I grew up in California (70's), vaccination was pretty universal

I did get a mild case of chicken pox, but no kid I ever heard of got any serious disease. It was assumed that most of those would go the way of smallpox.

I suppose a whole lot of Darwin awards are due lately, except its the kids that bear the brunt of the parent's short memories and new-found ignorance.

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Response to bhikkhu (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 06:36 PM

34. Chickenpox vaccine wasn't available in the US until 1995.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicella_vaccine
Prior to the introduction of the vaccine in 1995 in the USA (released in 1988 in Japan & Korea)...

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:23 PM

9. True, but by not vaccinating, if you become infected, you become a vector.

I hope we have not lost our respect for public health, the public at large and each other when we fail to vaccinate. We certainly put each other at risk.

Love, Peace and Shelter.
~ littlemissmartypants

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 06:02 AM

20. We were very glad to take our polio shots in the fifties as we had kids crippled by it.

But we got all the lesser diseases, measles, mumps, chickenpox. We knew then that not everyone got through those well, some developed vision problems or got a lot of scars, etc. I don't recall getting a small pox shot, but we did get TB tests. For all we know, there are newer strains of measles, mumps, chickenpox now. And nothing is 100%. The thing that always put me off about flu shots was they usually say this is for last year's flu, not this year's flu.

Now I got another tetanus shot after having had one forty years ago; a flu shot and am saving up for a shingles and pneumonia shots. I'm in no condition to go through a lot of drama like that now.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:01 AM

27. Re: Flu

Influenza does a terrible job packing up it's DNA when it's done replicating. It grabs random bits from the host organism. As a result, the flu virus is constantly changing. Which is why there's a new vaccine every year.

The problem is figuring out what virus is going to actually spread this year. "Flu season" starts first in China, and usually the most prevalent viruses there become the versions that spread through the rest of the world. So the flu shot is "this year's" flu, but sometimes they're wrong about which flu are the ones that will spread.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 06:04 AM

21. du rec.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 10:16 AM

23. So are both stories correct? Does vaccination also increase autism rates?

Vaccination reduces disease effectively.

Does vaccination also increase autism rates? Google scholar, the few I clicked on to read all said the same thing, there is no association between vaccinations and autism, nor between thimerosal and autism. First entire page seems to be debunking the whole concept.

Something else appears to be causing the autism rates to increase.

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Response to Trillo (Reply #23)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 10:55 AM

26. Nope. There is zero evidence of vaccinations increasing autism rates.

At least, no evidence that uses basic scientific techniques.

Something else appears to be causing the autism rates to increase.

Nope. The rate of autism diagnosis is increasing. That isn't the same as the rate of autism increasing.

Until the 1990s, autism was pretty much only diagnosed in profound cases. More mild cases were treated as if the kid was "a little off" instead of a medical condition.

Then the 1990s and especially the 2000s happened, where those more mild-to-moderate cases were diagnosed. And conditions that used to be separate, such as Asperger's, went from "he's just a geek" to a condition to a sub-set of Autism.

In other words, you can't say the rate of autism has been going up because the criteria for autism has drastically changed over the last 30 years. Looking at just the total numbers is going to make it appear to be skyrocketing, but the changes in criteria are going to have a large effect on the total cases.

A decent proxy for changes in the autism rate would be the number of profound cases diagnosed, since the criteria for that hasn't changed. I remember hearing that the rate for profound cases was nearly constant, but I can't back that up at the moment. Unfortunately, there's enough chaff that I can't find a link to a decent study with some brief Googling.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #26)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 04:56 PM

32. Here's some important reading to start with. Sorry about any cognitive dissonance it may cause.

http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

NEWS

August 27, 2014 Press Release, “Statement of William W. Thompson, Ph.D., Regarding the 2004 Article Examining the Possibility of a Relationship Between MMR Vaccine and Autism”


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - AUGUST 27,2014

STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM


My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits.

My concern has been the decision to omit relevant findings in a particular study for a particular sub­ group for a particular vaccine. There have always been recognized risks for vaccination and I believe it is the responsibility of the CDC to properly convey the risks associated with receipt of those vaccines.

I have had many discussions with Dr. Brian Hooker over the last 10 months regarding studies the CDC has carried out regarding vaccines and neurodevelopmental outcomes including autism spectrum disorders. I share his beliefthat CDC decision-making and analyses should be transparent. I was not, however, aware that he was recording any of our conversations, nor was I given any choice regarding whether my name would be made public or my voice would be put on the Internet.

I am grateful for the many supportive e-mails that I have received over the last several days. I will not be answering further questions at this time. I am providing information to Congressman William Posey, and of course will continue to cooperate with Congress. I have also offered to assist with reanalysis of the study data or development of further studies. For the time being, however, I am focused on my job and my family.

Reasonable scientists can and do differ in their interpretation of information. I will do everything I can to assist any unbiased and objective scientists inside or outside the CDC to analyze data collected by the CDC or other public organizations for the purpose of understanding whether vaccines are associated with an increased risk of autism. There are still more questions than answers, and I appreciate that so many families are looking for answers from the scientific community.

My colleagues and supervisors at the CDC have been entirely professional since this matter became public. In fact, I received a performance-based award after this story came out. I have experienced no pressure or retaliation and certainly was not escorted from the building, as some have stated.

Dr. Thompson is represented by Frederick M. Morgan,Jr., Morgan Verkamp, LLC, Cincinnati, Ohio, www.morganverkamp.com.

http://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-responds-to-allegation-it-omitted-vaccine-autism-study-link-576

CDC Responds to Allegation it Omitted Vaccine-Autism Study Link
by sattkisson on August 28, 2014


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is responding to a charge from one of its own senior scientists that it omitted key data in a 2004 study that would have revealed a link between autism and a commonly-required childhood vaccine, MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella).

The allegation was made by CDC epidemiologist William Thompson in a statement this week issued through his attorney. It states: “I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism.”

It is highly unusual, if not unprecedented, for a sitting CDC senior scientist to blow the whistle on alleged scientific misconduct involving a study article that he co-authored. In this instance, the impact of the charge is magnified by more than a decade of allegations from autism advocates who say the federal government and pharmaceutical interests have worked to downplay or hide associations between vaccines and autism.

A spokesman for the journal Pediatrics today said the publication stands by the study despite the news. “There’s a standard process that journals follow when an article is questioned,” said the spokesman. “Those discussions took place between the editors of Pediatrics and the authors of this study, and the editors concluded the research was appropriately conducted.” Pediatrics is published by the American Academy of Pediatrics, which accepts vaccine industry funding.

The Director of the CDC Immunization Safety Office, Dr. Frank DeStefano, is a co-author of the now-questioned study which has been widely-cited to dispel an MMR-autism link. DeStefano is frequently quoted as an expert who debunks vaccine-autism ties.

“I stand by the research and the conclusions in our 2004 paper, and I’ll reiterate that the evidence, thus far, the weight of the evidence, is against a causal association between vaccines and autism,” DeStefano told me in a telephone interview this week.

<>

The CDC’s DeStefano acknowledges that he and his study co-authors changed their study analysis plan midstream, which resulted in reducing the statistical vaccine-autism link among black boys. But he says they did so for good scientific reason.

“(Vaccine) exposure around (three years of age) is just not biologically plausible to have a causal association with autism,” DeStefano says. “I mean autism would’ve already started by then…it probably starts in the womb. So I think from a biological argument, it’s implausible this was a causal association.”

<>

This week, in response to a query, the CDC stated that it is not currently investigating the relation between vaccines and autism spectrum disorders (ASD). “Further, CDC does not have any planned research addressing vaccines and autism,” said a CDC spokesman.

“CDC believes that this topic has been thoroughly studied and no causal links have been found. Current CDC ASD related research focuses on determining how many people have ASD and understanding risk factors and causes for ASD.”–CDC spokesman

More.

Also, have you read the latest about the other MMR whistleblower case involving a pair of Merck virologists? A new court ruling was issued just last week.

http://www.law360.com/classaction/articles/574389
http://www.thelegalintelligencer.com/home/id=1202669116132/Qui-Tam-Class-Action-Cases-Against-Merck-Proceed
http://www.inquisitr.com/1459159/lawsuits-allege-merck-lied-about-mmr-efficacy-motions-to-dismiss-denied/
http://www.rescuepost.com/files/june-mumps-suit.pdf

Here we see the system working as it should, IMO. Better late than never.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #32)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 06:26 PM

33. If your argument involves "cognitive dissonance"

you can stop for a moment and realize you're just spewing bullshit.

See, you're claiming that the statistically significant group is African-American boys. Guess where they still use the thermiosol-laced MMR vaccine? Africa. It doesn't require refrigeration. Guess where they virtually zero diagnosed cases of autism? Africa. Yet you're claiming African genetic stock is gonna prove you right about MMR.

The criteria for autism has radically changed over the last 20 years, and you're utterly ignoring that so you can pretend there's a conspiracy. Now, if your conspiracy only hurt as much as doomsday prepers, I wouldn't care.

But you're killing children by destroying herd immunity.

Tilt your head back and inhale. You have now been exposed to 10x more disease-causing organisms than a child gets exposed to by vaccines. And the vaccine ones are dead or weakened, unlike the ones you just inhaled. And no, I don't care how clean your house is. You'll hit that 10x number anywhere that isn't a clean room.

"Evil" chemicals in the vaccines? Guess what? They've changed repeatedly over the last 20 years. Yet the rate of autism diagnoses didn't suddenly go up or down after those changes. Almost like chemicals in the vaccines aren't the cause.

Wakefield lied because he wanted to become very rich from his vaccine. That started the ball rolling, and now we're killing toddlers for his cause.

Also, have you read the latest about the other MMR whistleblower case involving a pair of Merck virologists? A new court ruling was issued just last week.

Did you read about the case where Charlie Chaplin was declared a girl's father despite having incompatible blood types? Baby type B, woman type A, Chaplin type O*. Court declared him the father anyway despite it being impossible for the baby to be his.

Courts know about law. They know jack shit about science.

*If you care at all about the genetics, Chaplin was OO - he had two copies of the 'O' gene. That's the only way you end up with a type-O person.

The woman was AO - one 'A' gene and one 'O' gene. She gave the O to her daughter, because her daughter didn't express type A.

Yet the baby expressed a type B gene. She had to have received that B from her father, since her mother didn't have one. Chaplin could have only given her an O gene, because that's all he had.

The baby's real father was either AB, BB or BO. Yet courts decided Chaplin was the father anyway.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #33)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:59 PM

39. The “Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence..." YouTube Channel testimonials prove otherwise.

And what's more:

1. You have misspoken. As a live virus vaccine, MMR has never contained thimerosal.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/thimerosal_faqs.html

Was thimerosal used in all childhood vaccines?

No. Some other vaccines, including the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine (MMR), do not and did not ever contain thimerosal or any preservative. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal.

More.

2. According to Rep Chris Smith (as stated during the last Congressional hearing on autism) there are ~40 MILLION cases of autism in Africa. According to the CDC, Somali refugee children in Minnesota are diagnosed with autism at a rate of 1 in 32 (7-9 year olds living in Minneapolis in 2010), or 1 in 8 according to 'the local Somali St. David's community.'

http://videocast.nih.gov/Summary.asp?File=18236&bhcp=1

(~4:15 pm)

BASED ON CHILDREN WHO WERE 7-9 YEARS OLD AND LIVING IN MINNEAPOLIS IN 2010

Overall: 1 in 48
Somali: 1 in 32
White: 1 in 36
Black (excl Somali): 1 in 62
Hispanic: 1 in 80

3 year study
12,000 children studied
Somali rate similar to rates in NJ and Utah.


http://www.kare11.com/story/local/2012/07/26/3741719/

KARE 11 Staff, KARE 7:12 p.m. EDT July 26, 2012

...The Centers for Disease Control says 1 in 88 children nationally now have autism, and St. David's staff says more concerning, state research shows around 1 in 8 kids in the local Somali community are affected.

3. Are you referring to the widely quoted Oct 2005 newsletter, "In fact, Dr Offit's studies show that in theory, healthy infants could safely get up to 100,000 vaccines at once."

October 31, 2005
VACCINE EDUCATION CENTER WEBSITE POSTS USEFUL ARTICLE FOR PARENTS ON VACCINE MYTHS AND VACCINE SAFETY





If so, please read this enormously awful email exchange between John Stone (UK Editor for Age of Autism) and Prof David Salisbury:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/05/paul-offits-10000-vaccines-and-the-milgram-experiment.html

...Arguing with authority in the middle of the past decade in the UK it was alarming how frequently the fall-back position was Offit’s vacuous claim (See BMJ letters HERE/broken link). Even the UK’s vaccine supremo Prof David Salisbury could appear on television declaring it was safe to give an infant 1000 vaccines. Meanwhile, he admitted to me:

"Turning to my comments on Newsnight - I suggest you read Paul Offit's paper - as I have done. On page 126, he states: "Current data suggest that the theoretical capacity determined by diversity of antibody variable gene regions would allow for as many as 109 (1,000,000,000) to 1011(100,000,000,000) different antibody specificities". And "... then each infant would have the theoretical capacity to respond to about 10,000 vaccines at any one time" - not antigens.

I was speaking very specifically about the infant immune system's ability to respond, in the context of the ridiculous suggestion that the new vaccine combination, containing far fewer antigens than the one it will replace, would overload the immune system. My words were "The immune system of a baby has got huge spare capacity to deal with challenge. If we didn't, the human race wouldn't survive. But let's look specifically at vaccine. This has been studied carefully. A baby's immune system could actually tolerate perfectly well 1,000 vaccines".

At no point did I suggest that 1,000 vaccines would not increase the probability of adverse reactions - a quite different matter." (Email August 26, 2004 10.03 am)

We are, of course, not talking about theoretical vaccines or theoretical infants, nor is there any experimental base that he can cite. We, unfortunately, have the experimental base which is our own children and we are not being listened to - like the imaginary victim in Stanley Milgram’s experiment except that we are not imaginary and neither are our children. Nor, as the present Rotateq vaccine scandal demonstrates do we have remotest idea what is really in the vaccines.

John Stone is UK Editor for Age of Autism

Or this scathing APRIL FOOL'S DAY essay (Google: dr paul offit april 1 2012 the refusers) written by the quant wizard father whose daughter suffered a fatal adverse reaction following vaccination.

4. Dr Wakefield? Wait awhile and see what happens. You might've missed this text exchange between Dr. Andrew Wakefield and Dr. William W. Thompson, Aug 27, 2014.

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5. Ingredients and manufacturing process? "They've changed repeatedly over the last 20 years." Yes, valid points. You must've seen the highly unsettling MMR overview with ~20 references (Lancet, LA Times) on that topic at AOA? I could only skim it myself, except http://articles.latimes.com/1996-06-17/news/mn-15871_1_measles-vaccine .

6. Herd immunity? Another great point also raised by Dr. Mark Hyman. More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017206443

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2014/08/20/robert-kennedy-jr-mark-hyman-appear-dr-oz-show/

Dr Mark Hyman: I am very concerned that public confidence in vaccines has been eroded and see a very important opportunity for policy makers to reassure parents and the population that clear steps have been taken to reduce a potential risk from vaccines and thereby reestablish public trust.

Most consumers and even most policy makers don’t understand that the conclusions from the IOM , which found no correlation between Thimerosal and autism, were fundamentally flawed. First the studies looked only at autism, not at neurodevelopmental disorders in general, missing the potential to identify more subtle harm from Thimerosal. Second, population studies, by their very nature, cannot prove cause and effect, nor disprove it. They can only generate hypotheses based on associations. So to draw a conclusion that they are not linked, and to declare the need for further studies unnecessary is simply scientifically inaccurate. And the few studies observational studies that the IOM report was based on that everyone quotes as vindicating Thimerosal were deeply flawed as extensively documented in the book.

Three of the IOM-accepted studies relied in whole or in part on Danish population autism statistics, which showed that autism levels increased after Thimerosal was removed from vaccines in 1992. This evidence strongly suggested that Thimerosal was not linked to autism. However, the IOM did not properly account for confounding factors in the data, such as the counting of both outpatient and inpatient cases after 1995 that expanded the number of children known to be affected, the adopted use of a broader definition of autism in 1994, and the exclusion prior to 1992 of the largest Danish clinic treating autism, which cared for 20 percent of autism cases.

7. You already know all this, don't you. Why don't you watch the Youtube Channel #hearthiswell #CDCwhistleblower awhile and learn something you don't.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #39)

Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:05 PM

40. Ooooo. Youtube. That's where I go for the best science!!

It's not like it's a wide-open site where anyone can post any crap they think of.


So since I can find a large number of white supremacist videos on Youtube, does that prove the KKK was right? Or perhaps Youtube isn't the best metric.

Maybe it's organic food?

Da..da....dum......Almost a perfect match!!!! Clearly organic food is the cause!!!

Look, there are literally over a thousand studies proving you wrong. They were done in a wide variety of countries with various political systems, and various levels of corporate control. 100% of them found no link.

Yet here you are, claiming there is one. And that it's OK if infants die for your cause. And that isn't hyperbole. Infants are actually dying for your cause.

Fact is, you are very wrong. And there's a lot of people making a pile of money off lying to you. And you keep quoting them, ensuring that they will make more money lying to you.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #40)

Tue Sep 9, 2014, 02:37 AM

41. An informative read for you with a very cogent & well-supported argument, plus #hearthiswell video.

http://www.pressherald.com/2014/09/02/maine-voices-breakdown-in-accountability-at-heart-of-decline-in-vaccinations/

Maine Voices: Breakdown in accountability at heart of decline in vaccinations
Opposition to the current U.S. vaccination program is based on its failures, denial and bad law and policy.

BY GINGER TAYLOR
September 2, 2014


BRUNSWICK — I was interviewed for an Aug. 9 front-page article by Joe Lawlor, titled “More Maine families are skipping or delaying childhood vaccines.” What was published was a complete misrepresentation of the interview I gave him.

As I told Mr. Lawlor, I’m neither anti-vaccine nor opposed to vaccination, and I vaccinated my children. My opposition is to the current U.S. vaccine program, which has become corrupted by bad law and policy, the failure to disclose known risks to families, the failure to pre-screen children who are showing symptoms that they are at risk for vaccine reactions and the denial of vaccine injury cases – rather than the proper recognition, diagnoses and treatment of vaccine-injured children.

In 1986, Congress gave liability protection to all vaccine interests – pharmaceutical companies, government agencies, doctors, nurses, etc. – so no one in this country can sue for vaccine injuries or deaths. As a result of this disregard of Americans’ Seventh Amendment rights, a vaccine injury case hasn’t been brought before a jury in almost 30 years, there is no longer accountability in vaccine safety and the vaccine program has fallen into massive corruption.

The effectiveness of vaccines is overstated, safety claims made are overstated and parents no longer get accurate risk information. Instead, vaccine consumers are offered a single sheet of information in the doctor’s office that leaves out almost all of the side effects listed on the vaccine package insert, on the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Vaccine Injury Table and the disorders that HHS has concluded can be caused by a given vaccine.

Doctors are not trained on federal guidelines for vaccine injury, nor are they required to know the side effects listed on the vaccine package insert. Therefore, few physicians know how to recognize adverse reactions in their patients. As a result, such cases are usually ignored or misdiagnosed and are rarely properly medically assessed, and patients can become victims of medical neglect for a lifetime.

Further, the vaccine schedule has tripled since 1986, so a child born today will receive more doses of vaccine by the time he’s 6 months old than I did by the time I went to college. There is almost no long-term safety testing of vaccines, and no safety testing of the overloaded schedule as a whole.

This breakdown in the U.S. vaccine program’s accountability to consumers is at the heart of the country’s decline in vaccinations, because when parents take the time to look into physicians’ safety claims, they find they’re being given incorrect and biased information.

Case in point: The claim that the vaccine-autism controversy began as the result of one debunked study is utter misinformation. In fact, more than 80 research papers demonstrate the associations between vaccines and autism, and the mechanisms by which vaccines can cause autism.

When Mr. Lawlor asked me why I believed my son was vaccine-injured, I directed him to the HHS Vaccine Injury Compensation Table and walked him through the symptoms of pertussis-vaccine-induced “encephalopathy,” the medical term for brain damage, which my son exhibited following his 18-month shots:

* Decreased or absent response to environment (responds, if at all, only to loud voice or painful stimuli).

* Decreased or absent eye contact (does not fix gaze upon family members or other individuals).

* Inconsistent or absent responses to external stimuli (does not recognize familiar people or things).

My son’s case is not unusual. Because few doctors have ever read the federal vaccine injury table, children exhibiting symptoms of vaccine-induced brain damage are often diagnosed with “autism” without ever being evaluated for this vaccine reaction.

The Press Herald has published a follow-up article and an editorial that make clear its agenda is to not investigate and report the facts on this issue, but to coerce families who have safety concerns into vaccinating according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s recommended schedule – against their better judgment, by removing their legal right to exercise informed consent in medicine.

Parents are not declining vaccines because of Jenny McCarthy or because of a 15-year-old British research paper. Parents are justifiably hesitant because the vaccine program has become overly aggressive, dosing is one-size-fits-all, promoters don’t disclose true risks to patients and program managers are not taking responsibility for helping the countless children and adults who have serious adverse vaccine reactions. Parents like me found out the hard way that once your child suffers a vaccine injury, you are on your own.

— Special to the Press Herald


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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 9, 2014, 09:53 AM

42. Continuing to spew bullshit doesn't make it true.

Please stop killing infants.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #42)

Tue Sep 9, 2014, 10:45 AM

43. That's a fearmongering talking point and nothing else. Please review the table in post #16 (above).

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Here's another story of heartbreak for you to consider, as you fight against the reforms which are inevitable now. Bet on it.

http://lifewithautisminpictures.blogspot.com/2014/09/doing-away-with-vanity-dignity-tonight.html

Posted by Michelle M Guppy at 7:25 PM
Monday, September 8, 2014

The Lion Who Had No Courage

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Doing away with vanity & dignity tonight.

I'm sure Brandon would forgive me if perhaps it would make one member of the mainstream media try and help him... I doubt they'll ever see this, much like I doubt today's seizures would be the last. But, one can hope....

He's had seizures yet again today...and finally at 8pm he tried to get up. He's been on the gymnastics mat on the floor of his bedroom right where he landed from the first seizure in falling out of bed this morning. Most parents have the luxury of waking up to the sound of an alarm. I frequently wake up to the sound of choking, some body part banging against the wall, or a loud thud as he hits the floor. I met him in the hallway and by the look in his eyes I knew we better go back in his room and not dare try and go downstairs. It's hard to describe seeing your child like that. Hungry, or perhaps thirsty, wanting to just go downstairs to eat or drink, yet somehow not understanding why his body just isn't willing to do what his mind wants. So, back in his room, we sat on the bench at the foot of his bed and I gave him his beloved straws and we listened to music. He dropped his straw and I watched as he tried to get it. His arm jerked this way and that. Eyes focused on the straw, arm focused on anything but. I was about to call down and ask Todd to bring something up for him to drink. To try and get some few precious calories in. But too late. The arm started jerking again, his head slumped, and his entire body curled up in a ball and started to convulse right there on the bench in my arms. All I could do was try and keep him steady and his head against my chest. When it was over, he just laid there in my arms. Me and my bad hair day... One flip flop on and one off.... Him in a pull up because when one is knocked out for the day one can't go to the bathroom. When Todd got upstairs from hearing him have a seizure, I asked him to take this picture. I want the media to see who it is they are silencing by refusing to report on the CDC Whistleblower story. I want them to see just how "vaccines save lives" actually plays out in real life. I want them to see what the trade off of acute recoverable illnesses for chronic lifelong debilitating illnesses looks like. And as much as they try to ignore it, that trade off does have a face. And there are thousands of them. I want them to see this and be brave enough to look me in the eye and ask me which I would rather my son have had - a miserable two week ugly rash in measles that would provide a lifetime of immunity and a stronger immune system for having survived it; or a lifetime of illness and seizures and a weakened immune system. And I want them to show that answer to the world.

I want them to see who they have forsaken as an accomplice to their preservation of Pharma's fairytale illusions of health, herd immunity, and the greater good.

His seizure may have been in my arms - but make no mistake mainstream media -- the tears I've cried in begging God to end this nightmare of CDC corruption and fraud, his seizures, his pain, his lifelong illness -- is all in your hands.

Perhaps the only thing worse than your silence in his suffering, is how the only voices you have allowed, are from those who profit from or force through mandates -- his suffering.

You can't see it, but on the wall behind me is a scripture verse that says, "Love....bears all things believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things...."

As I sat there holding my son, I wondered how many more seizures his body can bear.

I wondered how much more we parents must be made to endure.

I wondered if I had anything left in me to dare to allow myself to hope, to believe, that justice would come to him in my lifetime.

The justice Congressional Hearings and convictions would bring.

You could do that mainstream media.

You could help us call for those.

But you don't.

It would be better for you to be a tin man with no heart or a scarecrow with no brain, than to be a lion with no courage.

Sadly for a generation of children, you're all three.

Posted by Michelle M Guppy at 7:25 PM

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #32)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 08:06 PM

37. Yes, zero evidence. Just a whole bunch of bullshit.

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Response to Trillo (Reply #23)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 08:43 PM

38. Autism begins in the womb

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/03/26/294446735/brain-changes-suggest-autism-starts-in-the-womb

...as far as recent research suggests, which would make it pretty difficult for it to be caused by vaccination. And there have been plenty of studies that show no correlation between autism and vaccination.

On the other hand, there is a pretty convincing argument and evidence for rising autism rates related to the rising age of parents, particularly on the paternal side: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/aging-dads-more-likely-to-have-kids-with-autism-adhd-schizophrenia-and-more/

The working theory being that DNA in sperm ages with the parent, and mutations accumulate with age.

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 01:11 PM

28. k&r

 

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Response to baldguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:32 PM

31. DU rec...

Fuck the anti-vaxxers. Especially Andrew Wakefield and his defenders.

Sid

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