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I stand with President Obama (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 OP
Me too... Ryano42 Sep 2014 #1
Me too. MuttLikeMe Sep 2014 #2
I do too. femmocrat Sep 2014 #3
I stand in opposition to US military actions in other nations' civil wars. morningfog Sep 2014 #4
I am ambivalent, watching and it doesn't matter what I declare on a forum as far as immediate policy uppityperson Sep 2014 #5
He's but one man . . . fadedrose Sep 2014 #6
Me too. Aristus Sep 2014 #7
I'm not letting party allegiance cloud my judgement when it comes to protecting the interests corkhead Sep 2014 #8
In case anyone noticed, the RW is blaming Obama for everything Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #9
That is nothing new. They blamed him for the economic collapse in 2008 corkhead Sep 2014 #11
blaming Obama for everything and basically calling him a traitor. AlbertCat Sep 2014 #12
Same here. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #10
Enlist whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #13
Will they put me in the Quinquagenarian Brigade? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #14
There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #15
I kid you not, a co-worker blames him for 911 Iliyah Sep 2014 #16
Not on the isosceles issue. Not me. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #17
Triangulation of the very worst sort. riqster Sep 2014 #20
I do not support Presidents who manipulate the population into supporting a war of choice.[n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #18
Actually, in this instance the causation goes in the other direction DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #19
The "will of the people" can be manufactured - just ask Goering. Maedhros Sep 2014 #22
Yes, manufactured consent exists but not in this instance. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #24
I don't believe that there is anywhere enough evidence for anyone to claim Maedhros Sep 2014 #30
I don't. clg311 Sep 2014 #21
One of the reasons my hair isn't on fire over events "over there" -- IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #23
Obviously, I strongly oppose his plans re ISIS, but that said I have a great deal of sympathy cali Sep 2014 #25
As do I. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #26
good God where did unrec go? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #27
??? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #32
I stand with Wall Street. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #28
Same here, easily. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #29
"...apparently some of them are very upset with you." DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #33
You got it madokie Sep 2014 #31
not me. Not only do I not support military action in Syria, I am pissed at what is liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #34

Ryano42

(1,577 posts)
1. Me too...
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:47 AM
Sep 2014

Terrible situation and unlike McCain or Rmoney there was real thought put into it not "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran"



My sincere hope is it's more like the Kosovo Campaign than anything else...fingers crossed.

uppityperson

(115,673 posts)
5. I am ambivalent, watching and it doesn't matter what I declare on a forum as far as immediate policy
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:34 AM
Sep 2014

They are going to do what they are going to do and things will happen before I have any say in it. I will be watching with interest and working on the next campaign.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
6. He's but one man . . .
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:43 AM
Sep 2014

Where's the Congress and Senate in all this?

It's been that we need a leader . . . lead who? Congress is never there when you need them . . . they just pass him the blame when things go wrong in television interviews, but not in session discussing and debating - where they belong in this . .

Aristus

(65,831 posts)
7. Me too.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:47 AM
Sep 2014

We're still living with the massive blunders of Darth Cheney and the Clown Prince.

President Obama is doing the best that the situation could possibly call for.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
8. I'm not letting party allegiance cloud my judgement when it comes to protecting the interests
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:48 AM
Sep 2014

of the oil industry

Perhaps the President should read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs

Kingofalldems

(38,270 posts)
9. In case anyone noticed, the RW is blaming Obama for everything
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:49 AM
Sep 2014

and basically calling him a traitor.

I stand with the President.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
12. blaming Obama for everything and basically calling him a traitor.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:44 AM
Sep 2014

Weren't they doing that before the inauguration?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,682 posts)
19. Actually, in this instance the causation goes in the other direction
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:15 PM
Sep 2014

The president is responding to the will of the people.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
22. The "will of the people" can be manufactured - just ask Goering.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:31 PM
Sep 2014

It's been clear for many years that the MSM acts as stenographer and mouthpiece for the White House in matters of foreign policy and national security. Whatever popular support exists for attacking ISIS was created by the media.

For example, the fear that ISIS "sleeper cells" are lurking in America:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/08/lesson-americans-refuse-learn-war/

New York Times: “The Obama administration is preparing to carry out a campaign against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria that may take three years to complete, requiring a sustained effort that could last until after President Obama has left office, according to senior administration officials.”

CNN: “Americans are increasingly concerned that ISIS represents a direct terror threat, fearful that ISIS agents are living in the United States, according to a new CNN/ORC International poll. Most now support military action against the terrorist group.”


Greenwald says it best:

In case you’re wondering how so many Americans have been led to embrace such fear-mongering tripe, consider the statement last week of Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida:

“This is a terrorist group the likes of which we haven’t seen before, and we better stop them now. It ought to be pretty clear when they start cutting off the heads of journalists and say they’re going to fly the black flag of ISIS over the White House that ISIS is a clear and present danger.”

They’re a “clear and present danger” because they threatened to “fly the black flag of ISIS over the White House.” It’s hard to believe the fear-mongering is anything but deliberate.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,682 posts)
24. Yes, manufactured consent exists but not in this instance.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:38 PM
Sep 2014

Americans saw folks being wantonly killed and some poor souls beheaded. They are responding to what they have seen. There was very little cheer-leading. Now their desire for military action and the president accommodating that desire might prove to be misguided but it is with them and him coming from a real and sincere place.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
30. I don't believe that there is anywhere enough evidence for anyone to claim
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:24 PM
Sep 2014

that support for action against ISIS is "real and sincere."

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
23. One of the reasons my hair isn't on fire over events "over there" --
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:34 PM
Sep 2014

is because I trust the guy in charge not to make dumbass decisions (like the previous folks did).

Carry on, Mr. President.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
25. Obviously, I strongly oppose his plans re ISIS, but that said I have a great deal of sympathy
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:39 PM
Sep 2014

for him. He's stuck between the proverbially rock and a hard place. For instance, if he didn't take military action and ISIS managed to pull off even a small attack in the U.S. (or even Europe, for that matter), he'd be pilloried. If he didn't have some sort of plan for military action, he'd be widely savaged, his poll numbers would plummet and he'd be incapable of any action in any arena. And the exigencies pressuring him into action are formidable. The MIC has a life of its own no matter who is President.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
29. Same here, easily.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:17 PM
Sep 2014

Apparently some around here thought he was a pacifist.



On edit: And now that I read a few more of the responses ...apparently some of them are very upset with you.

It will be interesting to see what happens in a month or two when we don't send in 150,000 troops.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,682 posts)
33. "...apparently some of them are very upset with you."
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:30 AM
Sep 2014

That and twenty dollars will get me a weekly Metro Pass.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
34. not me. Not only do I not support military action in Syria, I am pissed at what is
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:36 AM
Sep 2014

happening to our education system, not to mention cuts to food stamps and the practically non existent cost of living raises in SS. So, I guess you could say I don't stand with President Obama.

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