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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsthe details of what Adrian Peterson did to his 4 year old son are grotesque
cuts and welts and the child's legs and scrotum. defensive wounds to the child's hands. He needs to be booted out of the NFL permanently. and it wasn't just one beating on this weekend visit, but two.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/
photos of the child's injuries released by the police can be seen at this link:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/274946031.html
cali
(114,904 posts)Ray Rice gets released for punching his then fiancee, but in my book this is even worse. this little child was severely beaten. Peterson has been indicted and is suspended for all of one game And where is Goodell on this?
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)"Look, all we know is the child has bruises and Peterson told us that the tree just fell straight on him. We're suspending Peterson for one game while he takes a crash course in arboriculture."
cali
(114,904 posts)beating.
too late.
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Seriously, Goodell can go fuck himself... actually, with this Rice mess I think he already has...
cali
(114,904 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)in his yard that he cut the switch from. That poor baby.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The Ray Rice story did do a lot of harm to their PR image so hopefully they will learn their lesson and take this case seriously. So far the NFL has made no comment other than to say he won't be playing on Sunday, but they are going to have to say more this weekend. They have already publicly said that any NFL player will face an automatic six game suspension for a first offense domestic violence incident, but I think you and I can probably both agree that is not nearly enough. He needs to be banned from the NFL permanantly.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)for the Vikings again and no other NFL team will sign him either.
I don't think Peterson understands what he has done. Apparently he was punished in this manner as a child and that's why he thinks it is appropriate parenting. I remember getting spanked as a child, but nothing like this and never on a bare bottom.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The NFL does not have a strong record when it comes to holding their star players accountable, but after all the heat they have taken over Ray Rice I think there is at least a chance they will take it seriously this time. He certainly deserves to be banned from the NFL, but whether or not he will be is hard to say. Past history says he won't be, but we can hope that current events will change the historical trend.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I don't know if the NFL will ban him or not. The thing is, I don't think Peterson intended to inflict the injuries. I think he was beaten with a 'switch' as a child for misbehaving and he did not truly know it was wrong. I'm not saying he was ok to do this as a parent, I just don't believe he intended to hurt his child as much as he did.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Sorry, but what you are saying is complete bullshit. A person can't strike a child repeatedly like that without noticing they are causing injuries. The kid was bleeding in multiple places, Peterson drew blood and then kept beating his kid's bloody body. You can not tell me he did not know that he was injuring the kid.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I just don't think he intended to inflict those injuries. Intent is part of the law.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)If you don't think there was intent then what do you think happened? Do you think a demon possessed his arm and forced him to keep beating the kid against his will? I don't even understand how else it is possible to unintentionally strike a child repeatedly and keep beating while there are open wounds on the body.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)This type of punishment used to be common, with or without these kinds of injuries. I am not convinced that every mom and dad who used a switch were intent on causing these kinds of injuries.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The kid was bleeding and Peterson kept hitting while blood was dripping from his body. You can not tell me that someone who hits a person that is already bleeding did not intend to cause injuries, he knew damn well that he was causing injuries. To pretend otherwise is absurd.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Do you have links?
Of course what Peterson did is wrong and he should be held accointable. I just prefer to deal with the information currently available.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The photos were not taken until a week after the beating so a lot of healing had already taken place, but you can still clearly see several lacerations that are clear evidence of bleeding in multiple locations.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)The photos alone do not explain or prove intent. I'm sorry you do not like my playing devil's advocate, but that is how the justice system works. I don't know if Peterson intended to inflict the wounds or if they happened in a crazy form of discipline Peterson learned as a child and continued with his own children.
Frankly, I think a large problem is the acceptance of Peterson having so many children with so many different women. This is also a serious problem in the NBA. what is wrong with these women?
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)A guy hits his kid multiple times but you try to pretend he is not really guilty because you think it is possible to cause a child to bleed in multiple areas through repeated whippings without intent to cause injury.
But when it comes to the women that have been with Peterson you don't make excuses for them like you do for Peterson. You ask us "what is wrong with these women?". Well why don't you tell me. What do you think the women did that was wrong?
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I should have included Peterson in my question. My question has nothing to do with either child punishment or child abuse. Why do these women have inprotected sex with Peterson and why does he have unprotected sex with all of these women? The multiple children of Peyerson were not all the product of long term relationships with Peterson.
Again, Peterson is guilty of inflicting the injuries to this child, I just do not know if he intended to inflict the injuries. How can you argue with that? What information do you have that has not been made available to the media? I am not excusing his behavior. I wish to have more information before convicting him. Curious, that is how the justice system is supposed to work.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)This is about child abuse not unprotected sex and it is ridiculous that you brought that into this thread because it is totally irrelevent.
I don't think you have any clue how the law works, it does not matter whether or not Peterson knew what he was doing was a crime. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking it, that is a very basic legal concept. They don't need to prove you intended to break the law in court, they only need to prove that you did break the law.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)If you do not think there is a problem with children born out of wedlock, then I have nothing more to say to you.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)I am sorry for not standing in judgment of all the world's single mothers in a thread that has nothing to do with single mothers. I know I am committing a great sin by not making my daily condemnation of people who have sex out of wedlock.
I guess I am going to be burning in hell for all eternity because I don't see "what is wrong with these women" like you told me I should.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)just as much as I see 'what js wrong' with these women. Peterson had as many as seven children out of wedlock. That is irresponsible. I remember reading NBA players having as many as 17 childrwn out of wedlock. That is also irresponsible. Do you not agree?
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)This is a thread about child abuse, it is not about unprotected sex or the number of children people should have.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I believe it is relevant. If Peterson and his wife had children together in a normal family, maybe thingszwould be different. Yes, I said normal. That is coming from someone who grew up in a family with divorced parent with a child.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)It is not as if abuse doesn't happen in families where the parents are married.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)That is the only intent that matters. It was an intentional beating, he admits it, he going to get convicted.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)is he blind?
he blames the kid (4) for Not Acting Right,
the switch ,for "wrapping around the kid's leg"
the kid, again, for "not crying" so he's know that this bare-body thrashing was harming him
and then wraps up with the same stupid shit you're spouting about intent
are you defending a fucking football pro who beat a 30 pound child? really?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)What information do you have that I have not seen in the media?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Watch the video at this link:
http://www.click2houston.com/news/attorney-vikings-adrian-peterson-indicted-in-montgomery-county/28035452
"...really sorry for what happened to the boy..."
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Many murderers don't "intend" to kill their victims either.
Sorry, but...ugh. "...with a switch, and belt... and even his fists..."
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I would like to see a link so I can confirm this information. If Peterson struck his child with his fists, and is convicted of doing so, then he deserves serios jail time. If he is convicted of child abuse, he also deserves serious jail time. I'm just not yet ready to throw him in jail before he is convicted. I thought that is how the U.S. justice system is supposed to operate.
kath
(10,565 posts)Linked to above.
that report or another also stated that there was an injury to the child's *forehead*. Hitting a child hard enough on the face or head to leave marks is some serious shit. those aredangerous blows.
Photos show MULTIPLE areas of scabbing amongst the bruises and marks on the child. That means Peterson DREW BLOOD.
Although Peterson denies using a cord, one of the photos shows curved, loop-like marks, consistent with the child being beaten with a cord, rope or belt. I have training in the evaluation of child abuse, so I know what I am talking about. Above one of the looped marks, there is a bruise that has a right angle to it, ie L-shaped. Can't do that with a switch. Perhaps the corner of a belt buckle.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)are you serious or is this, like, bad performance art?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)As a grown man, he knew exactly what he was doing. It is not believable that he didn't know he was hurting the boy.
Regardless, he intended to hit the boy, that is enough for conviction.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)if it takes public shaming to change his behavior, so be it.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Dude has got to go!
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)By a stepparent supposedly, but I'm sure the investigators are double checking their work.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)It was the mother's POS boyfriend.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Their relationship status isn't especially relevant .
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)The boy was killed by a no good SOB who is going to rot to death in the SD State Pen. He was arrested for kidnapping and assault while on bail for killing that child. Why he was given bail is crazy.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Why are you climbing up my ass about it?
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I was clarifying the details in my reply to you, it's as simple as that. Just because they were cohabitating did not make the POS his step-parent.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Since you are throwing around the law.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)death? That makes it so much worse. Holy shit. This makes me sick. The things this fucker says so calmly in that interview are horrible.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)is aware of what happened to the boy in Sioux Falls. Peterson only became aware of that boy two months before he died. I can't imagine that the either Peterson or the mother of this child would tell the other children about the child who was killed.
cali
(114,904 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)It was WAY beyond disturbing!
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)kcr
(15,318 posts)That there is almost never a story of abuse so horrific that there isn't some justifying it in the comments. Some people think parents are entitled to "discipline" however they see fit and there's no such thing as abuse.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)It makes me wonder, and hope that the kids have someone in their lives who isn't a cruel bastard and can look out for them.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)To include his performance in the season in this article. It has nothing to do with his abusing his child. The only thing it does is distract and make him appear better.
I've noticed they tend to do this in sports media: when players commit crimes, they add on some impressive stat to make a positive impression.
Even though he beat his kid, he rushed for a crapton of yards, so hey, whatever, he's alright.
The NFL is particularly bad about this. I've heard some really bad rationalizations about how their abilities as a player make it so that the crime isn't a big deal.
cali
(114,904 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)and yes, this is even worse. and yes, there is every bit as much an epidemic of child abuse as there is domestic abuse.
this kid is 4 years old, a toddler. He was left with extensive injuries and threatened by his father.
flying rabbit
(4,636 posts)Plenty of outrage
Logical
(22,457 posts)TBF
(32,086 posts)because it brings a lot up for me emotionally.
I didn't suffer this kind of abuse but I watched abuse nearly this bad on almost a daily basis for years. I lived in a rural area in the midwest where parents were routinely horrible to their children. I wonder if others here have the same kind of flashbacks to when they were growing up.
I can't believe how some parents can justify this by calling it "discipline" - if they were to do this to an adult they'd be in jail.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)That's why Peterson won't create the same shitstorm that the Rice case caused.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I have already seen far too many pro-corporal punishment, "but I was spanked" posts in some of these threads. Our society doesn't value children enough.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Would be nice if there were a bounty on his head.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I don't think he will play again in the NFL.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Per the linked article.
Logical
(22,457 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)snip-
Star Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson has a warrant out for his arrest and will surrender soon, according to his criminal defense attorney. Peterson has been indicted in Montgomery County on a charge of child abuse after allegedly using a branch to spank his son and the team benched him for this weekend's game against New England.
TBF
(32,086 posts)he knows exactly what he did and that's why he has hired one of the best defense attorneys in Houston.
Feel so bad for those kids.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)The minute I saw the attorney's name, I figured this is going to get real. It get's me in the gut that there are people defending his actions.
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)and paid his bail. He's back in Minnesota this morning. He will not play on Sunday. After that, who knows? This story is changing hour-by-hour, really.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)The Huffington Post's front page had a huge headline reading, "Sports Gone Mad," and then listed links to stories about this case along with three others that have been in the news. My comment was, are we really surprised by this? I mean, sports in this country -- at all levels, from pee-wee football and Little League baseball up to the pros -- have long been a celebration of the very worst, most dysfunctional aspects of the American model of masculinity.
kath
(10,565 posts)Yup. Check out Myriam Miedzian's book "Boys Will Be Boys:Breaking the Link Between Masculinity and Violence"
I read the original edition, but see from her website and other places that it has been updated.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)d_b
(7,463 posts)by the mother's boyfriend.
Get the kids away from these sick assholes.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Biblical discipline is every child's nightmare.
http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/TOM14_Adrian_Peterson.aspx
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)by his ex's boy friend.
He should not be around the children and suspended for the rest of the year, in the least.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)like that is somehow Adrian's fault.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)even here.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)Connects so many of these crimes. Not that it was implicating Peterson.
cali
(114,904 posts)you'd think that having a child who was beaten to death would give him pause.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)Plus his tweets sound like they were made by a mentally ill religious fanatic.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)"Peterson also expressed regret that his son did not cry because then, Peterson said, he would have known that the switch was doing more damage than intended."
You hit a 4-year-old hard enough to draw blood and he doesn't cry? You're hitting the kid's bare skin and can't see the damage?
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The only way I would believe that a four year old did not cry during a beating is if he was knocked unconscious, and if he was unconscious that would make the whole thing even more despicable than it already is.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)because he'd been abused often enough for crying that he didn't dare to. Either way, this attempt to shift the blame to the child is vile.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)in the dorm, playing on the back of a chair. May have been two or three, pretty small kid, and he slips off the chair and goes SMACK on the hard floor, and his mother (who was watching a football game, as was I (actually a Vikings game too, since I went to school in Minnesota)) just turns around and says "YEAH!" to him. And the kid apparently did not dare make a sound, and I was thinking "holy crap, that must have hurt".
Some parents do NOT want their kids to cry, they want them to be tough. As kids, we always cried when dad whipped us, we figured he would just get madder if we didn't.
One time he picked up a yard stick that was handy and hit us with it. Of course, it was a flimsy piece of wood and just broke in half and didn't really hurt. We cried anyway, figuring now he was gonna get mad about the broken ruler.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)In fact, he might actually be worse than Ray Rice(why do I get the feeling that he's lying about the "unintentional" part, btw?). His victim was FOUR years old, ladies and gentlemen. FOUR. And, sadly, from the Star Tribune article, it sounds like the abuse goes back to at least Peterson's own father.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)What's even worse is, Adrian Peterson does not consider his actions wrong.
I agree, he should be banned from football for life.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)enough... I think there is some small part in that twisted mess of a mind that considers his actions wrong.
mythology
(9,527 posts)From the cbs article above:
Peterson "was incredulous when asked if some of the numerous wounds and marks on the child were from an extension cord, saying, Oh, no, Id never hit my child with an extension cord. I remember how it feels to get whooped with an extension cord. Id never do that.
Because beating the kid with a stick is much better. I guess maybe it shows that he didn't "intend" to injure the kid, but that he has no idea about what can cause an injury, or that causing any injury to your kid is too far, not just some injuries.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)actually I think they should leave bring in a team with a shorter rap sheet.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Vile is the only word that seems to come close.
bullwinkle428
(20,630 posts)on here who experienced physical abuse growing up. Never to the degree that this poor child received...that's for sure, but enough to fuck me up emotionally to the point where I made the decision early into adulthood to not have any kids myself. I just wasn't 100% certain that I wouldn't continue the cycle with my own kids.
Fortunately for me, I've ended up mending fences pretty well and have a loving relationship with the one that dished out the abuse. I know not everyone has that same capacity for forgiveness.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)And, yes, it is awful.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)All that money and it's all about HIM. No more football for him!
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Pisces
(5,602 posts)is normal. Most of the people that spank their children with belts, and switches were spanked this way as children. It is only
our modern times that has changed on how we should discipline children. In times past, neighbors, teachers, fathers or your
friends could spank you for misbehaving.
I think we need to have life coaches helping the players in college. We should also have outreach in churches on the proper way
to discipline children. I don't think Peterson thought he was doing anything wrong. He was following a script he himself had
endured as child. This is not an excuse for Peterson, but I think it has to be considered.
cali
(114,904 posts)makes it even more repugnant. He was aware that he was whipping a toddler bloody from the child's lower back to his ankles, including the kid's scrotum. The kid had defensive cuts on his hands and he told doctors and police that his father shoved leaves in his mouth.
If you don't know that's wrong, you have no business being around children.
Pisces
(5,602 posts)his immediate family, cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, friends were dealt the same form of punishment. He would not
think his actions were wrong. He would think this is how you raise a child.
I can't imagine that everyone here thinks taking this boys father away from him is the answer. How about strict parenting
classes, anger management classes, teach him what abuse looks like and how children who suffer abuse are affected. Strict follow up by children's services. Raising black children without fathers is not the answer. That is us trying to seek revenge for
the child.
People on DU have compassion for others around the world who have different customs and religious beliefs. Yet, we have none
for people in our own country who by definition live in different worlds than our own. Peterson's life experience is very
different from from everyone with pitchforks out to burn him at the stake are. I guarantee you there are a lot of people
on the other side who are just like Peterson, who think maybe he went to far, but don't think he was wrong in how he
punished the boy.
We should be talking about how can people in our country not know this is wrong. What can we do without threatening
jail and loss of your children to teach people parenting skills. Shouldn't high school and junior high kids have life skills
classes that include parenting and child rearing. We take for granted that everyone should know what is appropriate and what is not. I think this is the huge divide in socio-economic backgrounds, as well as religious upbringing. Christian conservatives believe spanking children with wooden spoons and belts is perfectly acceptable. Remember the Texas judge who was videotaped beating his teen daughter with a belt. He didn't think there was anything wrong with teaching her a lesson. Peterson is from
Texas, religious, and from a poor background. Is there another way, instead of incarceration that will help this family and others who are of similar mindset???? This is all I am trying to say.
cali
(114,904 posts)and because his father has said he has no intention of stopping "whooping" his kids, he should only see them under supervision. He clearly poses a danger to them.
seeking revenge on the child? No, seeking to protect the child from being further brutalized- and all of his children should be protected from him.
btw, you have no idea what my life experience is. And I don't want to burn him at the stake, I want him tried for this serious felony. If he's convicted, he should get mandated help. Even if he's not convicted protective services should mandate help for him.
that other people don't think beating children is wrong, doesn't make it any more right. It's sick, harmful behavior.
Pisces
(5,602 posts)and we in the US who have the means should be doing a better job and educating the masses on life lessons. Everyone loses in
this situation. The boy will feel guilty if his father is sent to jail. What will his life be with no father figure. I agree that he should
have supervised visitation.
I don't think that anything makes his actions "right". I think we need to inform and educate those who have had a different life
experience than most of us.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)Read more: Necole Bitchie.com: NFL Player Adrian Peterson Indicted for Child Abuse After Beating Son With A Switch http://necolebitchie.com/2014/09/nfl-player-adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse-after-beating-son-with-a-switch/#ixzz3DDAjdCOp
Read more at http://necolebitchie.com/2014/09/nfl-player-adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse-after-beating-son-with-a-switch/#bq4YI8AYpesLiEQD.99
TheVisitor
(173 posts)The sickest fu**ers smiling in their mug shots?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I had always been a big fan of Adrian Peterson, having watched him since he was a freshman at Oklahoma, but there is no excuse for abusing a child, especially in such a heinous fashion. As I understand it, he has pretty much admitted that he did this, only offering as an excuse that he regretted causing the child's injuries. If he really had admitted to this, then he needs to go to jail.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)It also definitely sounds like AP did this entirely on purpose. Here's what sealed the deal for me, personally:
The boy also told authorities that Daddy Peterson hit me on my face and expressed concern that Peterson would punch him in the face if he reported what happened, the station reported. The child also reportedly told his mother that Peterson likes belts and switches and has a whooping room.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You don't beat on a 4 year old unintentionally. Sorry but that is BS, I guess some people cannot face their own reality.