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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 08:59 PM Sep 2014

the details of what Adrian Peterson did to his 4 year old son are grotesque

cuts and welts and the child's legs and scrotum. defensive wounds to the child's hands. He needs to be booted out of the NFL permanently. and it wasn't just one beating on this weekend visit, but two.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

photos of the child's injuries released by the police can be seen at this link:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/274946031.html

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the details of what Adrian Peterson did to his 4 year old son are grotesque (Original Post) cali Sep 2014 OP
god. cyberswede Sep 2014 #1
this just makes me sick cali Sep 2014 #2
Where's Goodell? Making damn sure there's no video this time. DRoseDARs Sep 2014 #6
the police have released photos of the child's extensive injuries taken a week after the savage cali Sep 2014 #8
You responded before I could add to my original snark. DRoseDARs Sep 2014 #10
I'll second that. fuck goodell. cali Sep 2014 #13
They also have photos (it was on the local newscast) of Adrian showing them the tree ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #50
The NFL has a long history of putting money above any concern about basic human decency Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #7
I predict that Peterson will never play Jenoch Sep 2014 #19
I hope you are right Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #22
I think that Peterson will never play in the NFL again. Jenoch Sep 2014 #27
You don't beat a child like that on accident Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #31
I'm not excusing his actions. Jenoch Sep 2014 #34
How do you hit a child repeatedly without intent? Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #35
Intent on injury is different from intent to spank the child.. Jenoch Sep 2014 #43
There were multiple open wounds on his body Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #45
You have details that I have not read in media sources. Jenoch Sep 2014 #46
Look at the Star Tribune link in the OP and there are photos Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #51
I saw those horrific photos. Jenoch Sep 2014 #60
You are seriously asking what is wrong with the women? Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #61
You are correct. Jenoch Sep 2014 #64
What does this have to do with unprotected sex? Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #69
Intent is always a part of the law. Jenoch Sep 2014 #70
So I am supposed to condemn out of wedlock births in a thread about child abuse? Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #72
I see 'what is wrong' with these men Jenoch Sep 2014 #73
Ask me that question in a thread where it is actually relevant Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #74
It is part of Peterson's life and that of his chidren.. Jenoch Sep 2014 #76
Sorry, but there is nothing to suggest this had anything to do with his marital status Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #78
He did intend to repeatedly beat the child. morningfog Sep 2014 #87
oh FFS any idiot can see that's abuse elehhhhna Sep 2014 #80
Clearly he intended it. There are multiple injuries. He knew exactly what he was doing. morningfog Sep 2014 #40
I am still not convincee he intended to inflict those injuries. Jenoch Sep 2014 #62
Per the police report he apologized to the child's mother. ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #63
Yep, I am aware of that information. Jenoch Sep 2014 #65
Then I have nothing more to say to you. He knows what he did is wrong. ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #66
Fists? Jenoch Sep 2014 #68
"With a switch, and belt.. And even his fists" line come from the news report that ScreamingMeemie l kath Sep 2014 #77
he accidentally beat a 4 year old bloody and had no intent to injure? WTF elehhhhna Sep 2014 #79
I think the poster must be a "fan." morningfog Sep 2014 #85
He intended to hit his kid repeatedly. morningfog Sep 2014 #84
And I think that is bullshit. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #109
good shanti Sep 2014 #81
awful Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #3
WTF? zappaman Sep 2014 #4
One of his other sons was beaten to death last year. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #5
There was no 'step-parent'. Jenoch Sep 2014 #9
They were cohabiting. He was parenting the child. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #12
Then why did you bring it up? Jenoch Sep 2014 #14
Because I was clarifying the details. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #15
What were you clarifying? Jenoch Sep 2014 #16
Common law says otherwise. Rex Sep 2014 #110
So you are telling me this Adrian person beats his kids who know that their brother was beat to Bluenorthwest Sep 2014 #18
I have no idea if this boy Jenoch Sep 2014 #21
out of curiosity, I went to an ESPN report/thread on this. the comments are beyond disturbing cali Sep 2014 #11
Wow. I couldn't read too many of those theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #20
Wow -- 'beyond disturbing' is an understatement! n/t markpkessinger Sep 2014 #24
I've said it before when topics of abuse have come up in the past kcr Sep 2014 #67
And some of those awful people's profile pics are of their kids. Union Scribe Sep 2014 #75
I don't understand why they felt the need F4lconF16 Sep 2014 #93
good observation. n/t cali Sep 2014 #96
Interesting that DU erupts over Ray Rice but shrugs this off. cali Sep 2014 #17
The replies I see aren't blowing this off. flying rabbit Sep 2014 #32
What do you mean by "shrugs this off"? Logical Sep 2014 #54
I read every story but don't always comment TBF Sep 2014 #86
There are still many people who agree with corporal punishment LittleBlue Sep 2014 #90
Unfortunately, you are correct. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #107
I hope this shitbag gets blown up on Sunday.. frylock Sep 2014 #23
He is not playing on Sunday. Jenoch Sep 2014 #28
Peterson is not under arrest and is expected to play for the Vikings this weekend  frylock Sep 2014 #52
Nope, he is not playing! nt Logical Sep 2014 #55
As I responded to you in another thread. A warrant has been issued/he's not playing ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #59
He has already retained Rusty Hardin - TBF Sep 2014 #88
I do too. ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #97
Actually, he turned himself in last night in Texa, was arrested, charged, MineralMan Sep 2014 #89
I commented a little while ago on HuffPo's article on this story markpkessinger Sep 2014 #25
"celebration of the very worst, most dysfunctional aspects of the American model of masculinity" kath Sep 2014 #53
+1 MadrasT Sep 2014 #83
his other son was beaten to death d_b Sep 2014 #26
Spare the rod ... LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #29
His other son was beaten to death Tommy2Tone Sep 2014 #30
I find it odd that people keep mentioning that hfojvt Sep 2014 #58
Guilt by association is very common dumbcat Sep 2014 #91
I took it to mean that there's a culture of violence that F4lconF16 Sep 2014 #94
it's not that it was his fault, it's that he KNEW that hitting a child could kill a child cali Sep 2014 #99
What the Hell is a 'whooping room' Does he have a special room for beatings? Monk06 Sep 2014 #33
This sentence, from the article in the first link, jumped out at me: winter is coming Sep 2014 #36
Yeah, I'm not buying that one Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #42
What I find even more distressing and likely, is that the child didn't cry... winter is coming Sep 2014 #104
I once saw a kid hfojvt Sep 2014 #57
How do we contact his team to protest this? jwirr Sep 2014 #37
Fuck this pathetic asshole, man. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #38
Adrian Peterson is continuing the cycle of abuse. He was abused in the same way when he was a child. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #39
He sent a text apologizing to the child's mother, saying he didn't smooth the switch ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #49
I think he doesn't really comprehend though mythology Sep 2014 #102
I don't think I would care now if the Vikings left Minnesota Kalidurga Sep 2014 #41
Yeah, I'm done with that sport. Barack_America Sep 2014 #44
Shit has gotten really personal for me, and I'm guessing every one bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #47
I had no idea until this story broke that he lived in my neighborhood. ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #48
disgraceful fishwax Sep 2014 #56
And another son killed by someone else. A child he had NO relationship with. Disgusting! TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #71
poor child In_The_Wind Sep 2014 #82
In many households across the US, but especially in the south, corporeal punishment for children Pisces Sep 2014 #92
why does it have to be considered? that he didn't think it was wrong cali Sep 2014 #98
I am not defending him. What I am saying is that if this is what he learned as a child, and all of Pisces Sep 2014 #100
the boy doesn't live with his his father. cali Sep 2014 #101
I don't disagree that it is sick and wrong. What I am stating is that there are many more like him Pisces Sep 2014 #103
He said this in an interview (!): tblue37 Sep 2014 #95
ever notice the trend of... TheVisitor Sep 2014 #105
Today was the first I had heard of this. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #106
Yes, Cali, I agree 100%. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #108
Wow, he is really sick. Rex Sep 2014 #111
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. this just makes me sick
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:14 PM
Sep 2014

Ray Rice gets released for punching his then fiancee, but in my book this is even worse. this little child was severely beaten. Peterson has been indicted and is suspended for all of one game And where is Goodell on this?

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
6. Where's Goodell? Making damn sure there's no video this time.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:22 PM
Sep 2014

"Look, all we know is the child has bruises and Peterson told us that the tree just fell straight on him. We're suspending Peterson for one game while he takes a crash course in arboriculture."

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. the police have released photos of the child's extensive injuries taken a week after the savage
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:24 PM
Sep 2014

beating.

too late.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
10. You responded before I could add to my original snark.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:26 PM
Sep 2014

Seriously, Goodell can go fuck himself... actually, with this Rice mess I think he already has...

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
50. They also have photos (it was on the local newscast) of Adrian showing them the tree
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:01 AM
Sep 2014

in his yard that he cut the switch from. That poor baby.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
7. The NFL has a long history of putting money above any concern about basic human decency
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:22 PM
Sep 2014

The Ray Rice story did do a lot of harm to their PR image so hopefully they will learn their lesson and take this case seriously. So far the NFL has made no comment other than to say he won't be playing on Sunday, but they are going to have to say more this weekend. They have already publicly said that any NFL player will face an automatic six game suspension for a first offense domestic violence incident, but I think you and I can probably both agree that is not nearly enough. He needs to be banned from the NFL permanantly.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
19. I predict that Peterson will never play
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:48 PM
Sep 2014

for the Vikings again and no other NFL team will sign him either.

I don't think Peterson understands what he has done. Apparently he was punished in this manner as a child and that's why he thinks it is appropriate parenting. I remember getting spanked as a child, but nothing like this and never on a bare bottom.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
22. I hope you are right
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:55 PM
Sep 2014

The NFL does not have a strong record when it comes to holding their star players accountable, but after all the heat they have taken over Ray Rice I think there is at least a chance they will take it seriously this time. He certainly deserves to be banned from the NFL, but whether or not he will be is hard to say. Past history says he won't be, but we can hope that current events will change the historical trend.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
27. I think that Peterson will never play in the NFL again.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:51 PM
Sep 2014

I don't know if the NFL will ban him or not. The thing is, I don't think Peterson intended to inflict the injuries. I think he was beaten with a 'switch' as a child for misbehaving and he did not truly know it was wrong. I'm not saying he was ok to do this as a parent, I just don't believe he intended to hurt his child as much as he did.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
31. You don't beat a child like that on accident
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:00 PM
Sep 2014

Sorry, but what you are saying is complete bullshit. A person can't strike a child repeatedly like that without noticing they are causing injuries. The kid was bleeding in multiple places, Peterson drew blood and then kept beating his kid's bloody body. You can not tell me he did not know that he was injuring the kid.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
34. I'm not excusing his actions.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:16 PM
Sep 2014

I just don't think he intended to inflict those injuries. Intent is part of the law.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
35. How do you hit a child repeatedly without intent?
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:21 PM
Sep 2014

If you don't think there was intent then what do you think happened? Do you think a demon possessed his arm and forced him to keep beating the kid against his will? I don't even understand how else it is possible to unintentionally strike a child repeatedly and keep beating while there are open wounds on the body.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
43. Intent on injury is different from intent to spank the child..
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:46 PM
Sep 2014

This type of punishment used to be common, with or without these kinds of injuries. I am not convinced that every mom and dad who used a switch were intent on causing these kinds of injuries.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
45. There were multiple open wounds on his body
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:54 PM
Sep 2014

The kid was bleeding and Peterson kept hitting while blood was dripping from his body. You can not tell me that someone who hits a person that is already bleeding did not intend to cause injuries, he knew damn well that he was causing injuries. To pretend otherwise is absurd.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
46. You have details that I have not read in media sources.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:58 PM
Sep 2014

Do you have links?

Of course what Peterson did is wrong and he should be held accointable. I just prefer to deal with the information currently available.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
51. Look at the Star Tribune link in the OP and there are photos
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:01 AM
Sep 2014

The photos were not taken until a week after the beating so a lot of healing had already taken place, but you can still clearly see several lacerations that are clear evidence of bleeding in multiple locations.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
60. I saw those horrific photos.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:29 AM
Sep 2014

The photos alone do not explain or prove intent. I'm sorry you do not like my playing devil's advocate, but that is how the justice system works. I don't know if Peterson intended to inflict the wounds or if they happened in a crazy form of discipline Peterson learned as a child and continued with his own children.

Frankly, I think a large problem is the acceptance of Peterson having so many children with so many different women. This is also a serious problem in the NBA. what is wrong with these women?

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
61. You are seriously asking what is wrong with the women?
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:37 AM
Sep 2014

A guy hits his kid multiple times but you try to pretend he is not really guilty because you think it is possible to cause a child to bleed in multiple areas through repeated whippings without intent to cause injury.

But when it comes to the women that have been with Peterson you don't make excuses for them like you do for Peterson. You ask us "what is wrong with these women?". Well why don't you tell me. What do you think the women did that was wrong?

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
64. You are correct.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:46 AM
Sep 2014

I should have included Peterson in my question. My question has nothing to do with either child punishment or child abuse. Why do these women have inprotected sex with Peterson and why does he have unprotected sex with all of these women? The multiple children of Peyerson were not all the product of long term relationships with Peterson.

Again, Peterson is guilty of inflicting the injuries to this child, I just do not know if he intended to inflict the injuries. How can you argue with that? What information do you have that has not been made available to the media? I am not excusing his behavior. I wish to have more information before convicting him. Curious, that is how the justice system is supposed to work.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
69. What does this have to do with unprotected sex?
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:57 AM
Sep 2014

This is about child abuse not unprotected sex and it is ridiculous that you brought that into this thread because it is totally irrelevent.

I don't think you have any clue how the law works, it does not matter whether or not Peterson knew what he was doing was a crime. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking it, that is a very basic legal concept. They don't need to prove you intended to break the law in court, they only need to prove that you did break the law.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
70. Intent is always a part of the law.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:05 AM
Sep 2014

If you do not think there is a problem with children born out of wedlock, then I have nothing more to say to you.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
72. So I am supposed to condemn out of wedlock births in a thread about child abuse?
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:14 AM
Sep 2014

I am sorry for not standing in judgment of all the world's single mothers in a thread that has nothing to do with single mothers. I know I am committing a great sin by not making my daily condemnation of people who have sex out of wedlock.

I guess I am going to be burning in hell for all eternity because I don't see "what is wrong with these women" like you told me I should.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
73. I see 'what is wrong' with these men
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:23 AM
Sep 2014

just as much as I see 'what js wrong' with these women. Peterson had as many as seven children out of wedlock. That is irresponsible. I remember reading NBA players having as many as 17 childrwn out of wedlock. That is also irresponsible. Do you not agree?

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
74. Ask me that question in a thread where it is actually relevant
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:26 AM
Sep 2014

This is a thread about child abuse, it is not about unprotected sex or the number of children people should have.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
76. It is part of Peterson's life and that of his chidren..
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:33 AM
Sep 2014

I believe it is relevant. If Peterson and his wife had children together in a normal family, maybe thingszwould be different. Yes, I said normal. That is coming from someone who grew up in a family with divorced parent with a child.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
78. Sorry, but there is nothing to suggest this had anything to do with his marital status
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:40 AM
Sep 2014

It is not as if abuse doesn't happen in families where the parents are married.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
87. He did intend to repeatedly beat the child.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:25 AM
Sep 2014

That is the only intent that matters. It was an intentional beating, he admits it, he going to get convicted.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
80. oh FFS any idiot can see that's abuse
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:10 AM
Sep 2014

is he blind?

he blames the kid (4) for Not Acting Right,
the switch ,for "wrapping around the kid's leg"
the kid, again, for "not crying" so he's know that this bare-body thrashing was harming him
and then wraps up with the same stupid shit you're spouting about intent
are you defending a fucking football pro who beat a 30 pound child? really?

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
62. I am still not convincee he intended to inflict those injuries.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:38 AM
Sep 2014

What information do you have that I have not seen in the media?

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
66. Then I have nothing more to say to you. He knows what he did is wrong.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:49 AM
Sep 2014

Many murderers don't "intend" to kill their victims either.

Sorry, but...ugh. "...with a switch, and belt... and even his fists..."

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
68. Fists?
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:54 AM
Sep 2014

I would like to see a link so I can confirm this information. If Peterson struck his child with his fists, and is convicted of doing so, then he deserves serios jail time. If he is convicted of child abuse, he also deserves serious jail time. I'm just not yet ready to throw him in jail before he is convicted. I thought that is how the U.S. justice system is supposed to operate.

kath

(10,565 posts)
77. "With a switch, and belt.. And even his fists" line come from the news report that ScreamingMeemie l
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:37 AM
Sep 2014

Linked to above.
that report or another also stated that there was an injury to the child's *forehead*. Hitting a child hard enough on the face or head to leave marks is some serious shit. those aredangerous blows.

Photos show MULTIPLE areas of scabbing amongst the bruises and marks on the child. That means Peterson DREW BLOOD.

Although Peterson denies using a cord, one of the photos shows curved, loop-like marks, consistent with the child being beaten with a cord, rope or belt. I have training in the evaluation of child abuse, so I know what I am talking about. Above one of the looped marks, there is a bruise that has a right angle to it, ie L-shaped. Can't do that with a switch. Perhaps the corner of a belt buckle.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
79. he accidentally beat a 4 year old bloody and had no intent to injure? WTF
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:01 AM
Sep 2014

are you serious or is this, like, bad performance art?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
84. He intended to hit his kid repeatedly.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:20 AM
Sep 2014

As a grown man, he knew exactly what he was doing. It is not believable that he didn't know he was hurting the boy.

Regardless, he intended to hit the boy, that is enough for conviction.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
5. One of his other sons was beaten to death last year.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:20 PM
Sep 2014

By a stepparent supposedly, but I'm sure the investigators are double checking their work.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
12. They were cohabiting. He was parenting the child.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:27 PM
Sep 2014

Their relationship status isn't especially relevant .

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
14. Then why did you bring it up?
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:32 PM
Sep 2014

The boy was killed by a no good SOB who is going to rot to death in the SD State Pen. He was arrested for kidnapping and assault while on bail for killing that child. Why he was given bail is crazy.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
16. What were you clarifying?
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:40 PM
Sep 2014

I was clarifying the details in my reply to you, it's as simple as that. Just because they were cohabitating did not make the POS his step-parent.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. So you are telling me this Adrian person beats his kids who know that their brother was beat to
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:46 PM
Sep 2014

death? That makes it so much worse. Holy shit. This makes me sick. The things this fucker says so calmly in that interview are horrible.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
21. I have no idea if this boy
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:52 PM
Sep 2014

is aware of what happened to the boy in Sioux Falls. Peterson only became aware of that boy two months before he died. I can't imagine that the either Peterson or the mother of this child would tell the other children about the child who was killed.

kcr

(15,318 posts)
67. I've said it before when topics of abuse have come up in the past
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:49 AM
Sep 2014

That there is almost never a story of abuse so horrific that there isn't some justifying it in the comments. Some people think parents are entitled to "discipline" however they see fit and there's no such thing as abuse.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
75. And some of those awful people's profile pics are of their kids.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:29 AM
Sep 2014

It makes me wonder, and hope that the kids have someone in their lives who isn't a cruel bastard and can look out for them.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
93. I don't understand why they felt the need
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:41 AM
Sep 2014

To include his performance in the season in this article. It has nothing to do with his abusing his child. The only thing it does is distract and make him appear better.

I've noticed they tend to do this in sports media: when players commit crimes, they add on some impressive stat to make a positive impression.

Even though he beat his kid, he rushed for a crapton of yards, so hey, whatever, he's alright.

The NFL is particularly bad about this. I've heard some really bad rationalizations about how their abilities as a player make it so that the crime isn't a big deal.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. Interesting that DU erupts over Ray Rice but shrugs this off.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:44 PM
Sep 2014

and yes, this is even worse. and yes, there is every bit as much an epidemic of child abuse as there is domestic abuse.

this kid is 4 years old, a toddler. He was left with extensive injuries and threatened by his father.

TBF

(32,086 posts)
86. I read every story but don't always comment
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:25 AM
Sep 2014

because it brings a lot up for me emotionally.

I didn't suffer this kind of abuse but I watched abuse nearly this bad on almost a daily basis for years. I lived in a rural area in the midwest where parents were routinely horrible to their children. I wonder if others here have the same kind of flashbacks to when they were growing up.

I can't believe how some parents can justify this by calling it "discipline" - if they were to do this to an adult they'd be in jail.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
90. There are still many people who agree with corporal punishment
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 10:08 AM
Sep 2014

That's why Peterson won't create the same shitstorm that the Rice case caused.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
107. Unfortunately, you are correct.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:30 PM
Sep 2014

I have already seen far too many pro-corporal punishment, "but I was spanked" posts in some of these threads. Our society doesn't value children enough.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
52. Peterson is not under arrest and is expected to play for the Vikings this weekend 
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:07 AM
Sep 2014

Per the linked article.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
59. As I responded to you in another thread. A warrant has been issued/he's not playing
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:29 AM
Sep 2014
http://abc13.com/306594/


snip-

Star Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson has a warrant out for his arrest and will surrender soon, according to his criminal defense attorney. Peterson has been indicted in Montgomery County on a charge of child abuse after allegedly using a branch to spank his son and the team benched him for this weekend's game against New England.

TBF

(32,086 posts)
88. He has already retained Rusty Hardin -
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:32 AM
Sep 2014

he knows exactly what he did and that's why he has hired one of the best defense attorneys in Houston.

Feel so bad for those kids.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
97. I do too.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:01 PM
Sep 2014

The minute I saw the attorney's name, I figured this is going to get real. It get's me in the gut that there are people defending his actions.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
89. Actually, he turned himself in last night in Texa, was arrested, charged,
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:42 AM
Sep 2014

and paid his bail. He's back in Minnesota this morning. He will not play on Sunday. After that, who knows? This story is changing hour-by-hour, really.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
25. I commented a little while ago on HuffPo's article on this story
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:18 PM
Sep 2014

The Huffington Post's front page had a huge headline reading, "Sports Gone Mad," and then listed links to stories about this case along with three others that have been in the news. My comment was, are we really surprised by this? I mean, sports in this country -- at all levels, from pee-wee football and Little League baseball up to the pros -- have long been a celebration of the very worst, most dysfunctional aspects of the American model of masculinity.

kath

(10,565 posts)
53. "celebration of the very worst, most dysfunctional aspects of the American model of masculinity"
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:18 AM
Sep 2014

Yup. Check out Myriam Miedzian's book "Boys Will Be Boys:Breaking the Link Between Masculinity and Violence"
I read the original edition, but see from her website and other places that it has been updated.

 

d_b

(7,463 posts)
26. his other son was beaten to death
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:34 PM
Sep 2014

by the mother's boyfriend.

Get the kids away from these sick assholes.


Tommy2Tone

(1,307 posts)
30. His other son was beaten to death
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:00 PM
Sep 2014

by his ex's boy friend.

He should not be around the children and suspended for the rest of the year, in the least.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
94. I took it to mean that there's a culture of violence that
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:46 AM
Sep 2014

Connects so many of these crimes. Not that it was implicating Peterson.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
99. it's not that it was his fault, it's that he KNEW that hitting a child could kill a child
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:03 PM
Sep 2014

you'd think that having a child who was beaten to death would give him pause.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
33. What the Hell is a 'whooping room' Does he have a special room for beatings?
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:02 PM
Sep 2014

Plus his tweets sound like they were made by a mentally ill religious fanatic.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
36. This sentence, from the article in the first link, jumped out at me:
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:21 PM
Sep 2014

"Peterson also expressed regret that his son did not cry – because then, Peterson said, he would have known that the switch was doing more damage than intended."

You hit a 4-year-old hard enough to draw blood and he doesn't cry? You're hitting the kid's bare skin and can't see the damage?

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
42. Yeah, I'm not buying that one
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:32 PM
Sep 2014

The only way I would believe that a four year old did not cry during a beating is if he was knocked unconscious, and if he was unconscious that would make the whole thing even more despicable than it already is.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
104. What I find even more distressing and likely, is that the child didn't cry...
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:35 PM
Sep 2014

because he'd been abused often enough for crying that he didn't dare to. Either way, this attempt to shift the blame to the child is vile.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
57. I once saw a kid
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:23 AM
Sep 2014

in the dorm, playing on the back of a chair. May have been two or three, pretty small kid, and he slips off the chair and goes SMACK on the hard floor, and his mother (who was watching a football game, as was I (actually a Vikings game too, since I went to school in Minnesota)) just turns around and says "YEAH!" to him. And the kid apparently did not dare make a sound, and I was thinking "holy crap, that must have hurt".

Some parents do NOT want their kids to cry, they want them to be tough. As kids, we always cried when dad whipped us, we figured he would just get madder if we didn't.

One time he picked up a yard stick that was handy and hit us with it. Of course, it was a flimsy piece of wood and just broke in half and didn't really hurt. We cried anyway, figuring now he was gonna get mad about the broken ruler.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
38. Fuck this pathetic asshole, man.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:30 PM
Sep 2014

In fact, he might actually be worse than Ray Rice(why do I get the feeling that he's lying about the "unintentional" part, btw?). His victim was FOUR years old, ladies and gentlemen. FOUR. And, sadly, from the Star Tribune article, it sounds like the abuse goes back to at least Peterson's own father.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
39. Adrian Peterson is continuing the cycle of abuse. He was abused in the same way when he was a child.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:30 PM
Sep 2014

What's even worse is, Adrian Peterson does not consider his actions wrong.

I agree, he should be banned from football for life.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
49. He sent a text apologizing to the child's mother, saying he didn't smooth the switch
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:00 AM
Sep 2014

enough... I think there is some small part in that twisted mess of a mind that considers his actions wrong.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
102. I think he doesn't really comprehend though
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:47 PM
Sep 2014

From the cbs article above:

Peterson "was incredulous when asked if some of the numerous wounds and marks on the child were from an extension cord, saying, “Oh, no, I’d never hit my child with an extension cord. I remember how it feels to get whooped with an extension cord. I’d never do that.”

Because beating the kid with a stick is much better. I guess maybe it shows that he didn't "intend" to injure the kid, but that he has no idea about what can cause an injury, or that causing any injury to your kid is too far, not just some injuries.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
41. I don't think I would care now if the Vikings left Minnesota
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:31 PM
Sep 2014

actually I think they should leave bring in a team with a shorter rap sheet.

bullwinkle428

(20,630 posts)
47. Shit has gotten really personal for me, and I'm guessing every one
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:58 PM
Sep 2014

on here who experienced physical abuse growing up. Never to the degree that this poor child received...that's for sure, but enough to fuck me up emotionally to the point where I made the decision early into adulthood to not have any kids myself. I just wasn't 100% certain that I wouldn't continue the cycle with my own kids.

Fortunately for me, I've ended up mending fences pretty well and have a loving relationship with the one that dished out the abuse. I know not everyone has that same capacity for forgiveness.

 

TheNutcracker

(2,104 posts)
71. And another son killed by someone else. A child he had NO relationship with. Disgusting!
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:08 AM
Sep 2014

All that money and it's all about HIM. No more football for him!

Pisces

(5,602 posts)
92. In many households across the US, but especially in the south, corporeal punishment for children
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 10:28 AM
Sep 2014

is normal. Most of the people that spank their children with belts, and switches were spanked this way as children. It is only
our modern times that has changed on how we should discipline children. In times past, neighbors, teachers, fathers or your
friends could spank you for misbehaving.

I think we need to have life coaches helping the players in college. We should also have outreach in churches on the proper way
to discipline children. I don't think Peterson thought he was doing anything wrong. He was following a script he himself had
endured as child. This is not an excuse for Peterson, but I think it has to be considered.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
98. why does it have to be considered? that he didn't think it was wrong
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:02 PM
Sep 2014

makes it even more repugnant. He was aware that he was whipping a toddler bloody from the child's lower back to his ankles, including the kid's scrotum. The kid had defensive cuts on his hands and he told doctors and police that his father shoved leaves in his mouth.

If you don't know that's wrong, you have no business being around children.

Pisces

(5,602 posts)
100. I am not defending him. What I am saying is that if this is what he learned as a child, and all of
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:28 PM
Sep 2014

his immediate family, cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, friends were dealt the same form of punishment. He would not
think his actions were wrong. He would think this is how you raise a child.

I can't imagine that everyone here thinks taking this boys father away from him is the answer. How about strict parenting
classes, anger management classes, teach him what abuse looks like and how children who suffer abuse are affected. Strict follow up by children's services. Raising black children without fathers is not the answer. That is us trying to seek revenge for
the child.

People on DU have compassion for others around the world who have different customs and religious beliefs. Yet, we have none
for people in our own country who by definition live in different worlds than our own. Peterson's life experience is very
different from from everyone with pitchforks out to burn him at the stake are. I guarantee you there are a lot of people
on the other side who are just like Peterson, who think maybe he went to far, but don't think he was wrong in how he
punished the boy.

We should be talking about how can people in our country not know this is wrong. What can we do without threatening
jail and loss of your children to teach people parenting skills. Shouldn't high school and junior high kids have life skills
classes that include parenting and child rearing. We take for granted that everyone should know what is appropriate and what is not. I think this is the huge divide in socio-economic backgrounds, as well as religious upbringing. Christian conservatives believe spanking children with wooden spoons and belts is perfectly acceptable. Remember the Texas judge who was videotaped beating his teen daughter with a belt. He didn't think there was anything wrong with teaching her a lesson. Peterson is from
Texas, religious, and from a poor background. Is there another way, instead of incarceration that will help this family and others who are of similar mindset???? This is all I am trying to say.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
101. the boy doesn't live with his his father.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:44 PM
Sep 2014

and because his father has said he has no intention of stopping "whooping" his kids, he should only see them under supervision. He clearly poses a danger to them.

seeking revenge on the child? No, seeking to protect the child from being further brutalized- and all of his children should be protected from him.

btw, you have no idea what my life experience is. And I don't want to burn him at the stake, I want him tried for this serious felony. If he's convicted, he should get mandated help. Even if he's not convicted protective services should mandate help for him.

that other people don't think beating children is wrong, doesn't make it any more right. It's sick, harmful behavior.

Pisces

(5,602 posts)
103. I don't disagree that it is sick and wrong. What I am stating is that there are many more like him
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:00 PM
Sep 2014

and we in the US who have the means should be doing a better job and educating the masses on life lessons. Everyone loses in
this situation. The boy will feel guilty if his father is sent to jail. What will his life be with no father figure. I agree that he should
have supervised visitation.

I don't think that anything makes his actions "right". I think we need to inform and educate those who have had a different life
experience than most of us.

tblue37

(65,483 posts)
95. He said this in an interview (!):
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:55 AM
Sep 2014
Peterson said he would reconsider using switches in the future, but said he would never “eliminate whooping my kids . . . because I know how being spanked has helped me in my life.”


Read more: Necole Bitchie.com: NFL Player Adrian Peterson Indicted for Child Abuse After Beating Son With A Switch http://necolebitchie.com/2014/09/nfl-player-adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse-after-beating-son-with-a-switch/#ixzz3DDAjdCOp
Read more at http://necolebitchie.com/2014/09/nfl-player-adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse-after-beating-son-with-a-switch/#bq4YI8AYpesLiEQD.99

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
106. Today was the first I had heard of this.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:26 PM
Sep 2014

I had always been a big fan of Adrian Peterson, having watched him since he was a freshman at Oklahoma, but there is no excuse for abusing a child, especially in such a heinous fashion. As I understand it, he has pretty much admitted that he did this, only offering as an excuse that he regretted causing the child's injuries. If he really had admitted to this, then he needs to go to jail.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
108. Yes, Cali, I agree 100%.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:37 PM
Sep 2014

It also definitely sounds like AP did this entirely on purpose. Here's what sealed the deal for me, personally:


The boy also told authorities that “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face” and expressed concern that Peterson would punch him in the face if he reported what happened, the station reported. The child also reportedly told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
111. Wow, he is really sick.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 08:29 PM
Sep 2014

You don't beat on a 4 year old unintentionally. Sorry but that is BS, I guess some people cannot face their own reality.

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