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Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:33 AM

"No Frise Sorry" - The guy that wrote this sign wants 15 dollars an hour?

The response was by David Gerrold, science fiction writer of "The Trouble With Tribbles" and many other works.



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Reply "No Frise Sorry" - The guy that wrote this sign wants 15 dollars an hour? (Original post)
TalkingDog Sep 2014 OP
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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:41 AM

1. Does that mean that the guy who created that meme image

would be perfectly happy paying fast food workers $15/hr if they all had PhDs? Or would he be happy to pay them $15/hr for a Bachelors, $20 for a Masters, $25 for the Doctorate?

Good on Dave G for calling that BS out.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:17 PM

84. I am slow. what does frise mean? Awesome response I must say.

Trekkers are like that.

edit: I get it now. Thanks.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #84)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:35 PM

100. I'm going to take a guess....

its isn't a dog, its isn't a fortification, so it must be fries...

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #84)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:01 PM

119. Well, I saw the title and thought it meant frisee lettuce

and wondered what the big deal was, forgetting an "e." Then I saw the picture. Oh.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:55 AM

134. Perhaps the meme creator is saying that dyslexics don't deserve to survive.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:41 AM

2. Afreakingmen

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:45 AM

3. Wow... That is a pretty great put down.

He is absolutely right as well.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:46 AM

4. Awesome rant!!

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:47 AM

5. K & R. n/t

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:48 AM

6. K&fuckingR....

So tired of this shit.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:49 AM

7. I thought the guy who wrote the sign was being discriminatory

 

no Frise, what an ass!


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Response to snooper2 (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:56 AM

13. awwwww

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:10 AM

20. Cute doggy!

Do I have to hand in my Manly Man card if I squee at the doggy?

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:32 PM

43. No!

 

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:34 PM

57. No, you get another one.

Real men squee at teh doggies (and teh kittehs).

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:34 PM

92. Actually it will prove that you are comfortable in your manliness.

A man that doesn't love doggies and kitties would not make a very good parent or husband.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #92)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:24 PM

99. Well, I'll never be a parent

But we treat our two kitties (both rescues, as were the four who preceded them) as our babies anyway. Right now, the black one is curled up on my knee and her adopted sister is monopolizing the sofa.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #99)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:26 AM

137. That's nice.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:14 PM

120. Not at all! The hottest and sexiest men I know are sweet and gentle around little animals!

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:50 AM

8. The thing that gets me about this meme is

the asshole who started it knows nothing about the person who wrote it. Maybe they're dyslexic or made an honest mistake or simply could be a product of our public school systems that emphasis testing over learning or maybe, just maybe, English isn't their first language but they're trying to learn.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:54 AM

9. Maybe if he made a living wage he could help himself out.

I, too, found the meme offensive. The dude is WORKING, at least! Maybe if he didn't have to work 3 jobs he'd have other options. Maybe going back to school, if that's what's needed. Maybe anything. But to shit on somebody for something so petty (if this sign is even real, and not created just for the meme), it pretty effing low.

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Response to Atman (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:55 AM

11. Yet we do the same thing with "Get a brains Moran!"

We poke fun at the right when they misspell things... but you're right, at least this person is working (if the sign is real). Obviously though, the person that wrote the sign has the "wrong" kind of job according to the meme starter. I wonder what they feel is worth $15/hr

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:07 AM

16. The guy who wrote the "Get a brains" sign is claiming superior intelligence

Last edited Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)

hence, his sign. If you're going to do that, you can't make dumb mistakes on your sign.

The sign here is from someone who is not claiming intellectual superiority. All he's claiming is they are out of stock on a product.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:34 AM

30. ^^^ This

Exactly

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:09 AM

18. False Equivalence. We don't question whether the "Moran" guy should have the right to vote

Or any of the other Teahadists with spelling issues. But nobody should use that as an excuse to deprive others of their rights or a livelihood.

We can think they are ignorant without thinking they are unworthy of human rights.







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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:40 AM

33. I gotta post it---

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:05 PM

37. I think the moran guy should get a living wage.

Also he invited ridicule by starting with an insult.

And for all you know the frise guy is a right winger.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #37)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:12 PM

40. "And for all you know the frise guy is a right winger."

Meaning what, exactly?

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #40)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:13 PM

41. Meaning he/she could be against minimum wage.

Believe it or not, I have had minimum wage co-workers who thought minimum wage should be abolished.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #41)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:38 PM

44. I've known a couple too. Their reasoning was they did more work & deserved more than the others.

 

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Response to 7962 (Reply #44)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:39 PM

45. That's rich!

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #45)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:50 PM

48. Yep. I suggested to one that he should get moved to the front since they didnt work so hard

 

He said he didnt like that job!!

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:18 PM

90. Well there is a reason why we mock signs like "No Socalized Medicin" which is held

up by a retiree collecting Social Security and on Medicare, while standing on a public sidewalk.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:29 AM

139. This may reflect the correlation

between poverty and education.
If that person (if this is real and not a rw piece of b.s.) were paid a living wage, he/she may find the time to undo the injustice visited on todays youth who are "taught" not to learn, just memorize this standardized test.
In my experience those with the worst spelling acumen tend to be R.W. conservatives as witnessed through their "protest" signs.
Yes, it very well could be a dyslexic person. None of that matters. Everyone has to (in 'Murica) earn, earn, earn, if they want to survive.
Learn, learn, learn is prized in most 1st world countries......it does show the contempt that MANY Americans have against impoverished people. We know that there is a connection between poverty and education. Ironically, they are usually the low information voters(?) who tend to vote against their interests....

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:07 AM

15. Dyslexia

That was my first thought seeing that sign as well. My son struggles with dyslexia. Could be English as a second language too. But yeah, they deserve 15 an hour. Actually I think that's aiming low. Shouldn't minimum wage be around 17-20 an hour to match purchasing power from the 1970s?

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:41 AM

34. $15 accounts for productivity gains

$10.25 would match "purchasing power" from the 1960s.

If you add in the productivity gains since the 1960s (burger joint needs a lot fewer employees), you get about $15/hour for a minimum wage.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #34)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:31 PM

91. Just asking. Did you count the outrageous high rents now?

 

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #91)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:54 PM

122. Yes.

$10.25 is just a straight inflation calculation which includes housing costs.

Now, it is a national number, so it's not going to fit as well with places that have very high rents.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #122)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:01 PM

123. Oh..OK....I was just wondering. (I like getting the facts straight when I "Lay into" Republicans)

 

Thanks for the info.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:33 AM

29. Amen!

You said it well. Thanks!

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:28 PM

42. So, how do we know ....

... that the McManager, who ordered the sign, wrote out what what he wanted printed, and the painter followed his orders?

Faulty spelling is not restricted to those on minimum wage. I assure you!!!

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:21 PM

82. "...could be a product of our public school systems that emphasis testing over learning..."

That made me laugh. And then it made me cry.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:52 PM

86. That's it exactly. (nt)

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:47 PM

102. They're being pushed so hard as part of a frantic minimal crew that they didn't have time to think

I make mistakes when I'm running trying to produce as part of a skeletonized work staff.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:44 PM

112. Look closely at the letters on the sign.

You can see fairly easily the cut and paste job around the "E", for instance.

In all likelihood, the sign was spelled correctly.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:15 PM

121. Indeed - which means they're attempting to become fluent in TWO languages, not just their

mother tongue. I'd wonder how many languages the asshole who started it knows how to speak, fluently.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:54 AM

10. Very happy to K&R this. Should be applicable across the board

to cover any kind of service industry job. I worked some of these minimum wage jobs when I was much younger. I was very fortunate to not be in the position of having to do that for a living. Anyway, there's always been certain segment of the population that felt that they could treat anyone working in positions like this as their personal slaves, like dirt under their shoes. This rant needs to be heard far and wide.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:56 AM

12. kand r and hurrah for david.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:00 AM

14. perfect... excellent...

I want to stand up and yell "RIGHT ON" I love you 'David'




found this other gem of his...


People who think raising the minimum wage is a bad idea should try living on it for a week or two....

If the minimum wage had kept pace with the cost of living, it would be over $20 an hour now. It is less than half that.

It's time we stopped blaming the people at the bottom for their situation and put the blame where it truly belongs on the banks and the corporations who spent millions gaming the system so they could take billions out of the economy. The repeal of Glass-Steagall was directly responsible for the crash of 2008.

In the 50's, corporations paid 90% of the federal budget. Today, that burden falls on the working class and many of our largest corporations are stashing their profits offshore and paying no taxes at all. Some, like GE, are collecting billions in tax subsidies.

Some of my republican friends say that what we need is a "fair tax." By that, they mean everybody pays the same percent. While that sounds good in principle, in practice it takes more money out of the pockets of the working class and puts even more money into the pockets of the one percent.

What those at the top of the ladder keep missing is that our present economic inequity is now worse than the inequity that caused the French revolution. And that didn't turn out to well for that one percent.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:49 PM

47. The "fair tax" actually doesnt work that way.

 

I dont really care for it because it taxes things like houses, but the fair tax has a provision that sends checks out monthly that refunds the taxes paid by someone up to a certain income level. The result being that the poor wouldnt pay any tax.
What I DO like about it is that we finally get to tax all those who now can avoid paying their full amount. Think about it; electricians, plumbers, painters, mechanics, accountants, tax preparers, landscapers, handymen, AC repair, construction, flooring people, surveyors, etc., dont get 1099s or W2s for their income. They may get SOME, but mostly none. So they pay taxes based on what they report. Which will be nowhere near what they really make. Most of these jobs get paid in cash too. I'm not even mentioning the criminal element, who never pay ANYTHING. You pay a sales tax, and everyone contributes.
I dont see how it puts more money into the hands of the 1%, they'd be paying a hefty tax on all the high priced toys they love to buy.
I think a variation of the fair tax should be looked at very seriously. Its the best way to fund the government. We can tax the rich all we want, but there arent enough of them to fund everything thats needed

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:09 AM

17. Well fucking said

So sick of teh fucking class resentment that shit like this displays.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #17)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:20 AM

25. Nicely said, Dave

Being a Trek fan, I've known who David is for a long time. For some reason though, my opinion of him was not too high. Perhaps it was an interview he did or a story he wrote. I never disliked him, but I thought he was a minor talent. My opinion of him now is that he's 1st Class.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:10 AM

19. a decent rant

except for the part where he shot himself in the foot


"You think you have the right to be abusive to another human being for any reason at all."

Pretty sure Gerrold believes in a right to be abusive to people who make fun of service workers' spelling errers.

Apparently there are some reasons to be abusive to other human beings. At least according to what Gerrold DID. Yet Gerrold is all righteously angry at his "friend" for not believing in the same reasons.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:23 AM

26. Not abusive

I don't see it.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:10 PM

38. False equivalence.

The fast food worker was not attacking anyone with his sign. He was trying to help his customers.

Attack someone out of the blue, and without merit, and expect deserved ridicule.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #38)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:02 PM

50. Exactly: Tolerate everything but intolerance.

Not a complicated rule, really.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #38)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:59 PM

76. ah no, his statement said

"for any reason".

Once you declare "some reasons are acceptable" then you are only arguing about "which reasons are valid ones".

Which is fine.

But his answer was - NONE.

And then he violated his own principle. Actually the flaming a$$hole violated it WHILE he was stating it, which was deliciously ironic. Rather like swatting a child with the admonishment "You should never hit anyone smaller than you!"

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #76)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:10 PM

78. It is not abuse

Abuse is an unwarranted attack. This was warranted. I thought I was clear.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #78)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:52 PM

126. and everybody thinks that their OWN attack is warranted

Was the "attack" on the sign maker warranted?

Why not? The moran made an egregious spelling error, and as such got mocked on FB the same way as the person offering "tudoring" services.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #126)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:18 AM

135. This has been thoroughly explained by multiple people, including myself

If you do not get it by now, I doubt anyone can help you.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:03 PM

51. Arrrgggg! God I hate that type of thinking. Stop it!

One person is actively trying to make millions of lives worse, and he's being a dick about it, too. The other person is calling the first one out, and he did so impolitely. He also said 'fuck.' He could have filled the whole page with the word fuck and been a hundred times ruder, and it still wouldn't be close to equal.

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Response to 20score (Reply #51)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:02 PM

77. I hate your type of thinking too.

It says "If they do it, it is bad" and
"when we do it, it is justified".

Sorry man, there won't be any trumpets blowing
come the judgement day

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #77)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:29 PM

83. Good strategy. Remain steadfast in your reactionary wrongness! Cheers!

Forget I said anything. What's the point?

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Response to 20score (Reply #83)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:14 PM

129. my point

is to reject hate
to reject double standards
to reject hypocrisy

You think it is "reactionary wrongness" to not hate, to not cheer on the spewing of hateful words at the "flaming a$$holes" in the other tribe.

The hippy music that I grew up with and partially quoted has the chorus

"go ahead and hate your neighbor
go ahead and cheat a friend
do it in the name of heaven
justify it in the end
there won't be any trumpets blowing
come the judgement day
on the bloody morning after
one tin soldier rides away"

By which it means, of course - do NOT hate your neighbor and do NOT try to justify that hate.

It kinda depends on what you want to do. Do you want to convince the voting public to raise the minimum wage, or do you just want to feel good about telling the parts of the public who disagree with you to fuck off?

I don't think hate is a good strategy, especially if you end up hating even your own potential allies.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #77)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:53 PM

103. On the bloody morning after,

One tin soldier rides away.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:11 PM

53. LOL, the old "it's abusive to call out abuse" meme. Wrong. Dead wrong.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #53)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:14 PM

89. +1000

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #53)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:08 PM

128. +2000

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:11 AM

21. Can you please give me a Facebook link to this?

I *need* to re-post this, but it comes out too small to read if I copy and paste from here. Thanks.

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Response to HomerRamone (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:18 AM

24. I cannot. It's from an Imgur account.

But when you look at the image, it should have a magnifying glass to embiggen it to a readable size.


Other than that, I can't help. Sorry.

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:38 AM

32. Not enough magnification on Facebook. Thanks anyway

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Response to HomerRamone (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:59 PM

67. you can right click and download the file, then....

use an image manipulation program like IrfanView to enlarge the pic.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #67)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:22 PM

70. I used OCR to make a text version to go with the picture. Thaks for the suggestion, though! nt

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Response to HomerRamone (Reply #70)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:16 PM

80. This popped up in my Facebo0ok feed; I wonder if it was yours?

 

Small world!

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:11 AM

22. David Gerrold rocks -

this should have a lot more recs than it does.

Makes you wonder if this party is merely paying lip service to the poor or has an interest in combating poverty.

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Response to TBF (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:48 AM

35. I think the subject line does not do it justice - many might have no idea what it is about

I think there are few here not in support of a living minimum wage.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:12 AM

23. It was not that long ago that we had a vice president that did not know the plural of potato. nt

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:31 AM

27. I have no problem with that spelling, frankly.

 

Language is not mathematics. It is constantly changing and evolving. That spelling, for me, is no less valid the psychology, with its ridiculous silent "p".

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:33 AM

28. Bravo, kind sir! Bravo!

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:36 AM

31. I'm going to semi-defend Gerrold

Yes, a living wage is a reasonable demand;however, employers should expect a employee who can read and write and can present a certain level of competence in their job. I used to be involved in a high school work/study program and one of my students was barely literate. But she could write out every item on the restaurant's menu where she worked and she did this by hard work and application. I can remember her and I filling out notebook after notebook with each menu item and their cost. She stayed at it and was proud to be employed at a job she thought she could never have.

That being said, I do not have any reference to Gerrold's original bitch, but it seems to hinge on Excel usage. Hell, I don't even know what Excel is.

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Response to packman (Reply #31)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:06 PM

95. Its a software application

I am considered an advanced/go-to user, and that and $2.50 will get me a cup of coffee. Totally agree with Gerrold here. If the SHTF with an EMP or something blowing out our power grid/electronics, people like me will be shit out of luck. Yeah, we can create pivot tables to make snappy graphs from data, but for the most part, we don't have the hard skills to survive in a different world. Too many don't appreciate those who do.

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Response to packman (Reply #31)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:50 PM

116. My husband made upwards of $30/hour as a CNC programmer. He was also dyslexic.

His cousin Caprice was always Carpice on the notes he left me when she called.
And, I may be biased but there are others here who knew him, he was the hardest damned worker that I've ever seen.

No quarter for Gerrold's ex-facebook-friend, the true idiot.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:53 AM

36. I looked at the sign and wondered what was wrong with it -- thinking salad bar and the green, frisee

which I was not 100% sure on the spelling. I guess this makes me a beyond arugula elitist or someone getting greens from a CSA -- or both.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:41 PM

46. It too me a minute, too.

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
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Response to karynnj (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:36 PM

59. I had the same response, and looked it up. Frisée, aka curly endive.

The store could well have been out of it.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #59)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:24 AM

143. I was confused to!

I thought it was a Starbucks coffee. Shows how often I go there.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:10 PM

39. you nailed it.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:55 PM

49. I've read a good amount of David Gerrold. His stuff is good.

'Jumping Off The Planet' was quite remarkable, and it seemed a bit autobiographical in spots, he being a single father. If I recall correctly, he is a gay man, which along with being a single father and a great sci-fi writer is quite interesting; I do know that I thoroughly enjoyed reading him, an excellent sci-fi writer IMO.

I remember a series he was writing called War with the Chtorr that he never finished, lost interest in it. (Perhaps this has changed, I haven't learned anything about Mr. Gerrold in some time). I was bummed that he didn't finish it, because I found that series to be wonderfully done. What a mind he has.

Not surprising to see him be extremely righteous. Kinda surprised he bothers with the facebook machine, though....my 2cents

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Response to navarth (Reply #49)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:10 PM

96. He is an equal rights activist who is a hound on raising the minimum wage

He spends tireless hours documenting experiments like Seatac WA where the town is THRIVING after mandating $15/hour.

I don't recall if he is gay or not, but if not, he is a staunch ally.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #96)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:37 PM

109. Good to hear

And I highly recommend his books if you appreciate sci fi.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:08 PM

52. Sometimes I completely forget how to spell a word. And sometimes I have to put it into google

twice because I am so off. And these may be words I've spelled plenty of times before. Spelling is not a factor in IQ. If it was then IQ tests would have spelling as a section.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:17 PM

54. Rather than "The GUY THAT wrote this sign"

wouldn't it be more grammatically correct to state "The person who wrote this sign" ?

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Response to delete_bush (Reply #54)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:36 PM

60. Yes.

BS in English here.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #60)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:16 PM

79. Thanks!

I'm jealous of your skill set, I personally strive to improve mine but it's not always easy.

In my attempt to learn French I've discovered that I'm not as familiar with the various parts of speech as I would have thought.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:25 PM

55. I'm going to bet that guy who wrote that sign is dyslexic.

Like Whoopi Goldberg and Jay Leno. Like Muhammad Ali and Thomas Edison Like Steven Speilberg. Like Paul Wellstone. For starters.

The stupid person here is the one who can look at that sign and not see that as a possibility.

Also, the person who thinks that dyslexia = stupidity is, well...stupid. It's a condition that has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence.

The people shopping this meme are none too bright--for a lot of reasons.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:32 PM

56. k and r...nt

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:35 PM

58. I'm sick of the way the right-wing keeps the mantra that the poor need to

"work hard" and "make something of themselves." Like working at being sanitation workers or field laborers is for slackers. They treat the poor like Untouchables in a caste system who have the option of becoming Brahmins but choose to remain unclean.

It wasn't always like this. There was a time in America's history when humble work was still work that could sustain families. People worked as taxi drivers and waitresses and still were able to raise their loved ones on one salary, if only in a poor middle class status. Their jobs, nonetheless, kept them from poverty. My cousin used to work as a teenager after school in a drug store slinging malts and sodas for extra money. After he graduated, the owner kept him on, but realized he was an adult and gave him an adult salary which he raised as he gave him more duties such as ordering and inventory. When the owner retired several years later, my cousin bought him out. He never would have been able to do something like that in today's world. He never would have been able to save a nest egg to help buy a business or approach the small local bank that knew its customers like family and invested in its town's growth and was glad to loan money to local entrepreneurs. Today's chains have bought out the local family owned drug stores and driven wages down. The local family owned town banks have been replaced by international mega banks that won't invest in small businesses. The system today thrives on keeping a populace in a state of serfdom. 25% of our jobs are poverty level or below poverty level. If we all "made something of ourselves" and ascended to better paying jobs, who would be left to do the dirty work that the poor in America do today? We'd have to cart workers from third world countries to do it and wouldn't the right-wing just love that?

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #58)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:41 PM

62. The majority of the workers at my local fast-food joints

appear to be immigrants. We have a huge Latino population in my neck of the woods and I've seen ICE a couple of times come into my development.

The point of this is that I don't see a lot of white Americans lining up to do these jobs but they seem to want to complain about the people doing them wanting a living wage. It makes me wonder if it's because of racism at its core.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #62)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:54 PM

65. My parents never noticed anyone aside from Latinos working in the fields and

chicken processing plants when they were seasonal migrant workers. Sometimes, local Anglo residents would work for a few days, then quit, unable to handle the 100+ weather in the fields or the conditions in the poultry farms, with chicken dander and dust flying everywhere and the temperature having to be kept hot so the chicken quills could be pulled out easier for plucking. It's wasn't pretty work back several decades ago and today's minimum work jobs that pay about $1,400 a month or less probably don't cover child care or rent and utilities for many families, let alone transportation and other expenses. My family survived because the employers even let my brothers and sisters work, which child labor laws forbid today. But, they paid my family pennies to the dollar back then...if they even paid.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #62)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:23 PM

106. Social Control

This is the sad middle class hypocrisy: it implies a lower class. Immigrant workers aren't a true lower class: they are seen as gateways for "anchor babies" who are aspiring to the American Dream themselves and ultimately pile on to the competition for scarce middle class jobs (with the advantages of youth and diversity pipelining.

Unemployed Americans would take those jobs if they did not entail the class stigma. Many work for minimum wage in clerical non-public facing jobs. I don't think the answer is in blaming Americans for trying to avoid being on display as the lower class. We should take jobs that imply "lower class" out of the system instead of moving to import a lower class, and then forbidding their families class mobility in the name of "too many illegal immigrants."

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #58)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:49 PM

94. Years ago I inherited some money. I remember after a week or so of it finally sinking in.

 

...I went to a Dairy Queen and ordered a malt. When the guy was taking my order, I felt an air of superiority because
"I was in the money" and HE was a ice cream person.
That feeling lasted about 7-10 seconds then reality set in.

My thoughts were...wtf!...who and the hell do you think you are?...you nasty son-of-a-bitch.... How DARE you, and a SLEW of other things the I mentally beat myself up for.
I mean, I was HARD on myself...VERY hard.
I still feel guilty toward that guy making my malt "Just the way I wanted it" and "Did it with a smile"
Shame on me...

PS: I'm better now.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #94)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:23 PM

107. I think that's just human nature.

Many people will have compassion for others that they leave behind when they 'make it.' Others will turn their backs and pull the ladder up after themselves. I went through a period of that myself when I went from a poor single mother and married a well-to-do man. I eventually realized that expensive things weren't as important as the loved ones I'd left behind still living in poverty.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #107)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:49 PM

115. Your words ring so true. I find it comforting to see people who wake up each day with all...

 

...the joy, love and happiness that life has to offer.

Not that I'm not fairly happy with life but I see through others that driving a nice car means "I'm driving a nice car" Big Deal

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:39 PM

61. A most righteous rant.



He is quite right about who's really important, too. Who did more to make American cities safe from filth and disease than any doctor? American Civil War veteran and sanitary engineer Col. George E. Waring and his army of sanitation workers, that's who.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Department_of_Sanitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_E._Waring,_Jr.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:47 PM

63. I agree wholeheartedly

The person who wrote that sign might be from offshore. Or s/he might be borderline dyslexic. Maybe s/he was just having a bad day, was overtired and made a mistake. Dealing with entitled assholes like Ms/Mr Excel wears the best of us down.

A day's work should pay a day's living wage. Any business that can't afford to pay workers enough to live on should cease to exist. What the entitled few fail to realize is that people working in fast food joints aren't on a lark or just supplementing their trust fund income so they can vacation in Tahiti this year. They depend on that income to feed themselves and their children and that income is not adequate to do that.

I suppose to a certain type of person, keeping workers who feed, clothe, and otherwise maintain his/her ability to be a selfish and ignorant yuppie should be kept in poverty so they know their places. A cast of thousands supports each yuppie moron and it's high time they realize that.

The rolling strikes are starting to get people's attention. When it spreads to retail and other minimum wage jobs, maybe people will start to realize just how many adults are being paid suburban teenager wages.

Nothing will get through to Mr./Ms. Excel except a run of unemployment and real poverty, a minimum wage, part time job taken to eke out the unemployment check. The way the economy is, that day of reckoning will come soon and they'll be amazed at how common their skill set is and how utterly useless it is in purely practical terms.



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Response to Warpy (Reply #63)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:16 PM

130. "Maybe people will start to realize just how many adults are being paid suburban teenager wages."

This!

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:52 PM

64. How does he know the manager didn't write it?

And how does he know that FRISE isn't an acronym?


rocktivity

P.S. The guy WHO made that graphic needs a refresher course in English grammar.

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #64)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:56 PM

66. For all anyone knows, a manager did write that.

Either way, Mr. Excel is a moran (couldn't resist).

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:02 PM

68. No, $15/hour is clearly not enough. The GOP should immediately make him a VP at $200K/yr

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:10 PM

69. awesome rant by Mr. Gerrold

ALL workers deserve respect and at least $15 an hour. My son is in this situation, and he deserves more for his hard work.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:23 PM

71. Not only that

He wants and can get... a gun!

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:28 PM

72. IME the worst spellers in the world have masters' degrees

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #72)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:33 PM

74. Agree 100%.. I have been proofreading for my husband for 44 years

and his secretary did the same at work

Anything technical, he has no problem with, but the rest ?? sheez..@!!

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #72)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:49 PM

114. A lot of lawyers making a few hundred bucks an hour can't spell.

I teach legal writing. The proficiency levels have been dropping dramatically, especially among younger lawyers. I'm not referring to writing style alone. I'm seeing spelling, punctuation, and grammar errors that people should have learned by the end of middle school.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:30 PM

73. Using "that" to describe a human being negates any possible superiority claim.

You always use a form of "who" to describe living humans. I hate these homemade photoshop posters found on sites like Pinterest. They're always chock-full-o grammatical errors.

And I hate snobs, especially those who are too ignorant to know how ignorant they are.

There but for fortune...

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:43 PM

75. I just had a facebook argument

with two people (same post) who were appalled that "undegreed" people would dare ask for $10-$15/hr. Of course, they're "hardworking Christians", so I pointed out that God wants us to help the poor people they are judging and their heads exploded.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:17 PM

81. Good for Mr. Gerrold on putting that moran in his place.

My tiny, miniscule, almost atomic-sized claim to fame is that I have a short story in a charity anthology that he contributed to (along with Kevin J. Anderson and Ron McLarty).

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:35 PM

85. that was RIGHTEOUS!

Wish I was that articulate.

So damn perfect.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:57 PM

87. Not particularly important

for someone who works at McDs to spell perfectly. Usually no one has to make such a sign. I don't see the connect between the lack of reading and education and the wage. A minimum wage job is not going to be one that requires education.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:07 PM

88. Hey, spelling is important. Just as Wisconsin Governer (sic) Scott Walker!

 

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:39 PM

93. Preach it!

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:11 PM

97. Loved it

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:21 PM

98. Entitled douchebags complaining about a harmless sign, they could kindly offer to correct it

but I guess there's no meanness in that.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:39 PM

101. Everyone needs to watch this video and listen very close.

 

http://ringoffireradio.com/2014/09/predictions-from-a-zillionaire-the-pitchforks-are-coming/

Where I live, near Seattle they do pay $15. per hour and I am proud to support that. Everyone deserves this at the least.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:55 PM

104. Why can't I think on my feet like that???

And also, mean people suck.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:01 PM

105. He left off the final letter in frisee?

No harm, no foul. It's good to know that my favorite salad green isn't available in advance. I'll order the spinach salad.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:36 PM

108. As a special education teacher with a reading specialist certificate, his spelling is not as bad as

it seems. In teaching reading you look for what students are "using but confusing" to quote Patricia Cunningham. In English there are two common ways to make a long vowel sound, two vowels together or the vowel consonant silent e pattern as demonstrated in the sign. The speller recognized that there was a long vowel sound and made a good attempt. The word "fry" uses a "y" to make the long "i" sound which necessitates changing the "y" to an "i" and then adding "es". Easy for most but not for some. English is a hard language to read and master for a segment of our population and no one should be looked down on for that, especially one who is gainfully employed.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:40 PM

110. Was probably management. n/t

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:43 PM

111. I dont know if I'd pay 15 an hour for the crap photoshop job that switched the "S" and "E"

Im not buying it.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #111)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:20 PM

117. Um... what don't you buy? That somebody would create a piece of propaganda to prove a point?

I'm confused.

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #117)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:15 PM

125. Look closely at the allegedly misspelled sign itself.

I dont think it originally even said "FRISE".

It looks pretty clearly manipulated, to me. I think it probably was spelled correctly (ie "FRIES", and some jackhole edited it to make a stupid point about the minimum wage.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #125)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:21 PM

131. I did seem to notice some blurring/pixelation that would indicate a Photoshop job.

But the image resolution is low enough that it's hard to tell.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #131)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:36 AM

136. I fully realize it's not worth this level of conspiratorial overthinking. That said...

the thing bugs me for several reasons, not the least of which because there is plenty of actual bad spelling out there, and yet I strongly suspect someone fucked with a perfectly fine sign to make an obnoxious anti-livable minimum wage point.

like I said, totally not worth the overthinking I'm doing on it.



I'm willing to bet the actual sign looked something like this;

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #136)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:26 AM

138. I wouldn't be surprised. n/t

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #136)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:06 AM

142. it doesnt look shopped to me.

if you look at the "original" the letters flow from one to the next. in your version they dont. i dont think the person would have hung that s out that close to the edge of the page.

but, i would not be the least bit surprised.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #142)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:41 AM

144. I spent a grand total of five seconds on mine. If I was trying to put something over on

the interwebs, I'd probably put more effort into it.

a few things I'd say- one, if you zoom in on the 'original', there's some weird pixelation around the E in particular. And enough of a subtle shade difference which leads me to think it was cut and pasted. Also, the paper above the S and the E is not translucent like the rest of it is, which could mean someone used the burn or clone tool to darken it rather than leave the jimmied-around numbers showing through. This despite the fact that the paper is the same, the light from the sign behind it is the same, etc.

And yeah, the fucking Zapruder film, this aint. I don't, actually, give that much of a shit. Plus, I could be wrong.

But lastly, "FRISE" is not a real common bad spelling job. It just happens to be one which contains the exact same letters as the correctly spelled word. Far easier for me to believe that someone would write big letters on a sign and not give themselves enough room to finish, than to believe they would spell fries "FRISE". One would assume that if the shop normally sells "FRISE" then the word is somewhere else on that lit up sign that the alleged bad speller taped the damn thing to. So no one would notice when he taped it up? Sure, maybe they're dyslexic.

And again, I could be wrong. Horrors, but it's happened before.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:46 PM

113. Totally Agree!

Thank you. You said it quite well. Along with you and many others, I am tired of people putting down others who lack an education or who have not had the opportunities that I've had. I'm grateful for the opportunities I've had. I am also tired of others finding cruel and inhumane ways to "put people in their place". I am truly grateful for people who work fast food, who repair cars, who can take care of plumbing issues, roof houses, mow lawns, prune trees, etc, etc. There is no disgrace in those skill sets. I'd hate to think that I need to know all those things to abide happily in this society.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:42 PM

118. apart from all the other considerations mentioned here, I will add one more: the number

of wrongly-spelled words by highly educated people (especially those in media) is, to me, mind-blowing. so, unless that clueless little cretin can prove to me that he can, in fact, spell correctly, he can just shut up.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:12 PM

124. Right Wingers talk like a job,...ANY job is a cure all....

 

They believe the ONLY people in poverty are on welfare and if they just stopped being lazy and got a job than they could afford to get a house with a picket fence and a car and have a family.

Then you talk about raising the minimum wage and they panic that their fucking sandwich could go up a fucking dime and they claim "those people" are inferior and don't DESERVE it.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:06 PM

127. "There are no freakin' french fries!"

Animated short. I thought it was funny.

http://m.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:53 PM

132. Maybe he meant little old ME:

 

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:53 AM

133. My thoughts exactly, said better than I could. To David: MWAH! MWAH! MWAH! And a HUG!!!

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 06:32 AM

140. How about the manager that approved the sign?

What should that person be allowed to make?

I'm so sick of people who put others down and decide who is more important than someone else. I am so sick of greed.

$15 an hour is a reasonable minimum wage. 354 times difference between the highest and lowest paid employees in any company is insane.

George Orwell was right again.

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Response to marym625 (Reply #140)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 06:52 AM

141. It probably was the manager who wrote it.

 

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:43 AM

145. k&r for David's response and for labor. n/t

-Laelth

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