Wow.....How Many Threads in GD Decrying The Nonexistant

[MannyGoldstein]

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decrying of Democratic GOTV?

I don't think I've seen a single post on DU decrying GOTV efforts. Have you seen any?

Perhaps only an occasional threat to not vote by a frustrated Democrat who's tired of being mooned by the folks we put in office. And some complaints from a few people who think fundraising efforts should be non-imbecilic. (Look, I like like doggies in super-hero costumes as much as the next guy but... as the focus of political advertising?)

It's pretty clear to everyone on DU that even awful Democrats are way the @#$% better than today's bat@#$% crazy Republicans. I expect that virtually everyone here will vote with gusto, and will urge everyone they know to vote Democratic as well.

Once we're past the elections, perhaps we can get up off of our asses and take our party back. But until then... it's what we got, and it's critical that we do the right thing here.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. It's almost as amazing how many here have already voted despite the enormous (imaginary) pressure

not to.

[babylonsister]

18. Ha! I'm waiting for Tuesday. Whenever that is. nt

[NRaleighLiberal]

2. Exactly.

Especially the "people who think fundraising efforts should be non-imbecilic" part.

[NaturalHigh]

3. LOL...good stuff Manny.

[Electric Monk]

4. But tilting at windmills is FUN and EASY, doncha know?

[Autumn]

5. You and Will made me lose all desire to vote.

You two hate little dogs in costumes and now I can't vote. I'm sure there are thousands more that will stay home now. And we must blame you guys. And the hell of it is I was so damn excited to vote. I haven't slept in two weeks just waiting to vote, I was thinking of getting a tent and sleeping in line starting tomorrow but you guys messed that plan up. Not only did you make me cry, you made baby Jesus cry.

[Luminous Animal]

6. +1

[Autumn]

7. Did they make you give up voting too?

It's a bad, bad thing that Manny and Will have done. It's their fault the republican are gonna win

[Luminous Animal]

10. Sadly, yes. But I'm going to the polls to steal the "I voted" sticker. I don't want my friends

to know.

[NaturalHigh]

13. You don't have to go to the polls for that.

The church ladies who run the precincts around here pass them out like Halloween candy. I'll send you a few.

[Autumn]

14. I took some years ago in the event that Manny and Will did just this.

I'm going to put them on E bay for the other Democrats that Manny and Will have talked out of voting. But since you are a DUer in good standing I will give you one for free so that no one here on DU blames you for the up and coming republican win. Oops was I supposed to tell anyone? I know they will win because I got an e-mail about it from the DCCC.

[NaturalHigh]

15. Just because of that DCCC crack...

I'm not going to donate. I swear I was going to before I saw your post.

[Autumn]

16. I was going to donate but dogs named Demmy in superman costumes frighten me.

Bat Girl would have worked in a heartbeat but I swear superman is a republican.

[NaturalHigh]

25. Batgirl was the daughter of a police commisioner.

A child of privilege, undoubtedly a republican. You shouldn't vote for her. Or donate. To anybody.

[Autumn]

27. Okay, I won't. But are you sure Bat Girl didn't rebel against her Father?

Cause I know I would have. Just saying. But just to be sure I won't vote or donate. Manny and Will are in soooo much trouble.

[NaturalHigh]

30. You know, I'm not absolutely sure.

Now that you have my brain spinning, though, I'm not only not going to donate, I'm going to make some calls and ask for the return of past donations.

[Jim Lane]

60. Superman can't be a Republican. He's an illegal immigrant.

I read a LOT of those comics when I was a lad, and there wasn't one story that I remember about anyone getting proper immigration papers on Kal-El's behalf. If the Republicans took over, they'd deport him.

Also remember that he helps people without charging them for it. Tell me if that sounds like a Republican.

[Hissyspit]

19. I printed up some counterfeit ones.

[Autumn]

22. Then you stand to make a fortune and you owe it all to Manny and Will.

Good thinking on your behalf.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Will's a pro

Every time he posts, baby Jesus pulls a lever for the Republican candidate. While crying, of course.

The best I can hope for is to irritate a few of the logic-challenged.

[Autumn]

11. Exactly so Manny. That's just the thing!!!

[Liberalynn]

31. +1

[NanceGreggs]

52. Okay. Who said Will Pitt is going to ...

... influence voters not to vote?

Are there actual links to anyone saying that?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

105. Link

http://127.0.0.1

[NanceGreggs]

109. Sorry, link doesn't work. n/t

[rhett o rick]

85. Hey! Who are you calling "logic challenged". Just for that I am not voting.

Better yet I am writing in Ralph Nader. That will give the whiners something to whine about.

Ps: Ignore my avatar. You don't really have to vote to use that avatar. Just sayin.

[leftstreet]

17. No way am I taking my dog trick-or-treating now

Just no way

[Autumn]

24. If you can get your dog to run I will just ignore Manny and Will and go vote

Too cute. I want to squeeze it.

[Liberalynn]

32. Oh what a sweetie

[zeemike]

23. And you made me cry.

It is a damn shame what Will and Manny did to you...They messed up a good camping trip for you...just for that I will not vote ether.

[Autumn]

26. I think that is what hurts most of all. I was all set to pitch

my tent in the parking lot and now I can't.

[whereisjustice]

35. Wait, I thought we agreed to blame Greenwald... who approved this? Why wasn't I told?

[Vattel]

47. If baby Jesus is crying, I am not gonna vote either

[Enthusiast]

65. Me too.

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[DisgustipatedinCA]

104. You know, they had the same effect on me.

Also, and I don't know if you've noticed, but both of them support gay marriage too. I feel this is threatening my heterosexual marriage. Oh well, I'll just go do gay-themed things on Election Day while everyone else votes.

[treestar]

8. It's not direct.

It's passive aggressive.

[tkmorris]

38. There are two problems with that

1) Will and Manny are not morons.

2) None of this will discourage even one person from voting. Not one. Seriously if you want to discourage someone from voting there are a metric assload of better ways to do it than anything they have said here.

Because of 1 and 2 I have concluded that discouraging anyone from voting was never their intent, as if that was in doubt. These complaints that accuse them of doing so are nothing more than attempts to deflect any criticism. I'm a Democrat to my core but FUCK THAT NOISE. You have to walk the walk as a Dem candidate, and it helps if you act like you have a brain in your head too, and when candidates don't I'll be damned if I'll demand that anyone shut up about it because, you know, it's an election year.

[F4lconF16]

92. +1 nt

[Android3.14]

94. metric assload

I wonder if this is the unit of measure for a full port-a-potty in Europe.

[LeftyMom]

12. If WillPitt ruins the midterms does that mean Latin@s are off the hook?

In the old days DU reliably blamed The Gays but that's badly out of fashion.

[MisterP]

43. I do remember them ranting about the gays "turning up their noses" like *October* 2010

they were expecting to lose, and had the blame machinery in place to deflect
likewise in 2006 they were hot and bothered about some upcoming purge by lefties once the Dems had the House--and yet it was Cegelis, Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, Buono, Lutrin, Rev. Manuel Sykes, Wendy Davis, and Grimes who're getting the boot

[QC]

68. Pre-blaming The Gays for electoral losses was a cherished tradition at DU

for many years.

I'm glad to see that one go.

[bvar22]

96. They have evolved.

Now they blame the insignificant "Fringe Leftists" at DU,
or anybody who forgot their Pom-Poms on the bus.

[Maedhros]

97. We're Schrodinger's Electorate

We're simultaneously irrelevant and completely responsible.

[Hatchling]

99. May I borrow that for my sig line?

It's really funny and deep at the same time. I love it!

[Maedhros]

102. Of course!

I'm a Socialist - we share

[carolinayellowdog]

100. Thread winner!

brilliant, poignant-- they get us coming and going, don't they?

[MannyGoldstein]

107. You win the Internet!

That really deserves its own OP.

Really.

Really.

Really.

[joshcryer]

20. GOTV is mainly won in voter enfranchisement laws, passed years earlier.

Colorado, for example, has made great strides getting people to vote, yes, anyone, but generally, if there is a high turnout, Democrats win. This is why Republicans have fought tooth and nail to disenfranchise voters in many states.

You can't go into any high profile store in Colorado without someone pestering you to register, and because Colorado has mail in ballots, it is made all the more easier (most people vote by mail for that reason).

The negative narrative won't stop people from voting in states that have good voter drives (mandated by law), it will stop them for voting for Democrats. Already Third Way Mark Udall, who led the fight against the NSA (and who broke it long before Snowden did) is on the fence because of this, and is likely to lose to the more charismatic Republican. This shouldn't even be a race.

[MontyPow]

21. Taking my party back doesn't stop at the next election.

Because that's where the candidates measure your commitment. If my Democratic choices suck, I will look at third party alternatives.

It's way to easy to win the battles and lose the fight. Every battle we win that move actually moves the party to right is another marker that the fight is being lost.

[Maedhros]

98. Indeed.

It's almost as if the moneyed, elite power-brokers planned it that way.

[Fuddnik]

28. Why do you hate voters Manny?

And getting them out to vote?
And America?
And puppies?

[TxDemChem]

29. Hubby and I voted yesterday.

The nuttery in Tx is just too insane to not GOTV.

[dionysus]

33. you say that with a straight face.. really... will's trying to save a flagging career, and you've

been saying for years how much Dems suck...

[SidDithers]

36. Obama will be slashing Social Security...

any day now.

Sid

[dionysus]

37. 22% Sid! 22%! man! now go buy the book....

vaht?

[sabrina 1]

48. Well, I wouldn't call the Chained CPI 'slashing', but he does support it. Are you aware that the SS

fund belongs to the American People? That is a two trillion dollar SURPLUS, and that it has ZERO to do with the Deficit which Obama KNOWS and RAN on that fact.

One thing is for sure, ANY politician who even hints at touching that fund especially a Dem, and to my knowledge no Dem has ever dared to do that up to now, will NOT get elected.

Bush tried it, he found out what the words 'the third rail of politics' actually means. That was the beginning of the end of his 'popularity'.

Obama has linked SS to the Deficit, that is false. He has put SS 'on the deficit table'. No Democrat should even think of doing such a thing.

'Slash'? No. Cut? That is what the Chained CPI IS. And it is shocking that any Dem would even think of supporting such a thing. But Obama is not running in this election. And to my knowledge, no other Dem who IS running, has come out in support of the Chained CPI. If they have they will LOSE, period.

[Scuba]

63. + Eighty Gazillion

[Enthusiast]

66. + one brazzillion!

[leftstreet]

74. +1

[msanthrope]

61. Aw Sid....and my medical premiums are climbing 23%, too! nt

[rhett o rick]

86. Probably, he supports fracking and the TPP. Which means you must also support them. nm

[aikoaiko]

41. And the jury results are in....

On Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:02 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

you say that with a straight face.. really... will's trying to save a flagging career, and you've
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5701854

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"will's trying to save a flagging career," personal attack callout of another DUer, in addition to the personal attack against the OP. This is rude and inappropriate. Vote hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:11 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Pretty thin skinned alert.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The Alerter is wrong. The quote is from many. I see no reason.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Will Pitt is a public figure. He is worthy of ridicule. I'm sure he would agree.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[msanthrope]

59. 1-6 leave???? No shit! nt

[Spazito]

81. Excellent decision by a jury who understands context!

to a wise jury.

[INdemo]

34. Simple answer..

We don't have a leader.I would bet that most Democrats and many here on DU could not name our DNC chairman.
And throughout this 2014 campaign season have we heard any notable comments from our fearless DNC leader?

[zappaman]

39. You better believe it!

[RobertEarl]

40. There is a thread with people claiming

That voter suppression or stealing elections is not treasonous.

Treason being defined as acts against democracy.

No shit. There are people on that thread making excuses for the republicans acting to suppress and deny the vote.

You and Will are nothing compared to them.

[zappaman]

42. Link or slink, Bob. N/t

[Electric Monk]

44. I suspect he is referring to this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025698698

[RobertEarl]

46. That's the one

Hard to believe that the supporters of the republicans are not being crushed. Instead they go after some of the best DUers. WTF is going on here?

[sabrina 1]

49. Haven't you noticed? They ALWAYS go after the Left. Both sides, the Third Way and the Right

Wing, ALWAYS attack the Left. They fear the Left because they know how popular real Dem issues are with the public. So they idea is to attack and try to discredit the Left which will tell the truth regardless of party. If someone is wrong, the Left cannot be reigned in and forced to remain quiet about it.

So it's not a surprise that we have some here who will attack REAL DEMS like Manny and Will while giving a pass to those they clearly have more in common with.

[RobertEarl]

54. Yeah, sabrina

It tells me that we are poking them pretty good and making them uncomfortable in the colors they wear.

It is true the Left is way more truthful. We are braver and not prone to depending on some icon to comfort us.

And we admit we are not perfect. But we do know we are on the correct path of working to form a better union. Sure would be nice if they'd join us in that ask. Well, we set a good example. Indeed what I have learned here in 12 years has been fantastic education and it all comes from the scribblings of Left members.

[zappaman]

87. "Indeed what I have learned here in 12 years"

"Member since: Wed Dec 14, 2011, 01:53 PM"

That's not even 3 YEARS.

Math not your strong suit, I guess.

[Bobbie Jo]

90. .

[Scuba]

64. +1,000

[Enthusiast]

67. +1 a whole bunch.

[ZombieHorde]

53. Why do you think the US government isn't recognizing this as treason?

Do you think President Obama is just too stupid or ignorant to recognize treason when it's happening publically, or do you think he and the rest of the US government uses a different definition for the social construct of "treason?" Perhaps you think there is something else going on?

[RobertEarl]

55. There have always been enemies

Some - Kochs, as an example - have more money and power and they have twisted the political system so far in their favor they have many thinking that the vote suppression and stealing of elections is just a normal process.

Indeed, many in power play the game using the contortions of the system in order to gain even more power. Remember, it was not that long ago women could not vote, and the government endorsed slavery.

There is great power in the masses voting and there are those who are not willing to give up power to the masses.

We've come a long way, but there is more to travel. Calling out the vote robbers as treasonous will help us to determine the progress we make. I see it as a good first step, and welcome discussion.

[ZombieHorde]

62. Do you think President Obama sees the voter suppression as treason?

Additionally, do you think President Obama is qualified to detect treason when it is openly present before him?

[RobertEarl]

71. Does Obama see the suppression?

Of course he does. Doe he see it as treasonous? You'd have to ask him.

Most of the voting laws are state laws. The federal government rarely involves itself in state's voter laws. The judiciary can and has, and they did so when the blatant suppression of Black voters became all too evident.

The crime is seen as a minor one mostly; what some of us would like it to become is a major crime: treasonous.

[ZombieHorde]

75. I don't think it's seen as any kind of crime by President Obama.

If so, he's helping to cover it up by calling them patriots.

The crime is seen as a minor one mostly; what some of us would like it to become is a major crime: treasonous.

Isn't death the punishment for treason?

[RobertEarl]

78. Well

You want to play a fucking game with voter suppression you just go right ahead. I have a feeling that is all you are doing.

I consider the denial of the right to vote to be a serious crime. There are many here among who feel it is but a joke. And here we fucking are with a bunch of criminals running the government.

All I can say is: Good job, brownies.

Looks like the brownies fucking won, eh?

[ZombieHorde]

79. Do you think President Obama is playing a game with voter suppression?

I disagree with the President on many issues, and if you disagree with him that this is treason, then that is fair. However, I do think he is qualified to judge treason. That is my opinion of President Obama. I'm not trained in law, but I do know law is subjective. I do know law is what certain people think it is, and I know I'm not one of those people.

[sabrina 1]

45. Manny, DU is POWERFUL. We have the power to overturn elections. Wait, no, I'm confused.

'DU is insignificant and does not represent the mainstream'??

Okay, it goes like this. If there is a poll that shows most Dems here are no happy with their party, then 'DU is not representative of the mainstream'.

But when someone points out some facts about how Dems have approached super important issues, DU is ALL POWERFUL and the words of DUers are enough to stop the entire country from voting.

Lol!

[MannyGoldstein]

50. We are tiny and insignificant, yet we regularly

cause Democrats to lose by vast numbers of us staying home and sulking.

[Electric Monk]

56. Cunning, indeed

[Doctor_J]

95. And by posting on DU

that's a big one

[daleanime]

51. Amen....

[Maedhros]

57. "Suppress the vote" is just the new "you're a Libertarian."

New situation, new pejorative.

[rhett o rick]

88. WHAT! A libertarian? Manny a libertarian?? And I thought he was a librarian.

No wonder I didn't get my book renewed.

[msongs]

58. already voted for dems slate as we shut out closet repubs in the primary nt

[NaturalHigh]

69. Why do you hate America?

How long have you been communist anyway?

Note to potential jurors: Just joking with Manny.

[MannyGoldstein]

70. I hate America for its freedoms, of course

Terra!

[Capt. Obvious]

72. You apparently missed the thread

where people were claiming they were going to write-in Nader instead of vote for Dems in 12 days.

[Electric Monk]

80. Link? nt

[rhett o rick]

89. LOL. That probably was me. Just messin with the haters. nm

[Corruption Inc]

73. I'll vote if I'm not too busy looking at kitty cat pictures!

or reading cartoons,
or blaming "old white guys" for everything,
or reflexively repeating GOPuke agitprop,
or trying to ban all forms of alternative media,
or throwing Glen Greenwald under the bus,
or promoting for-profit health insurance,
or repeating economic propaganda,
or posting idolator worship.

Sincerely,

Loyal Third-Way Manny fan!

[ballyhoo]

77. Excellent, Corruption.

You just summarized my main gripe. It's like wading in the omniscient pool. Most people are just people; they haven't jumped into the pool of grandeur yet.

[ballyhoo]

76. Not me, Manny. But it's hard to read under here...and the smell...

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[NaturalHigh]

108. I'm the bald guy with the lazy left eye under there.

I think you can just barely see me.

[ballyhoo]

110. lol. Least you're warm.

[grahamhgreen]

82. Existent

[Peacetrain]

83. Oh someone who posts something like this....

"Come November, if the Democrats wind up flopping and flailing for an explanation as to why they got routed at the polls, let me offer a succinct reply: You stand for nothing. You are the Washington Generals to the Harlem Globetrotters. Everyone expects you to go down to defeat, because you always lay down, because you are paid to do so. "

ahem...

[RobertEarl]

84. Thanks for c+p'ing that Truth

If they do lose the senate, it will be because they did not inspire folks to vote for them. Why is that, you think, Peacetrain? Why are people not inspired to get off their asses and go vote for the Democrats??

[rhett o rick]

91. Democrats can wish their candidates were more dynamic and still push GOTV.

I push hard for GOTV and yet want our candidates to speak out proudly for Democratic Values.

It's not only a mistake it's also a shame to worship candidates to the point where one feels they can't criticize them.

[silvershadow]

93. Hear, hear! I'm voting several times.

[Rex]

101. 94 recs! Say it ain't so...

[mopinko]

103. you must have a long ignore list.

[L0oniX]

106. It's not my fault ...my district was gerrymandered while my ballot was being delivered.

[AverageJoe90]

111. Good post, Manny.

GOTV, GOTV!