How Hillary Undercuts Obama

[Pisces]

Beinart takes note of Hillary’s silence on Barack’s upcoming immigration actions and the deal with Iran. He suspects she is “avoid inheriting Obama’s baggage in 2016?:

But whether or not keeping her distance is good politics for Clinton, it’s bad politics for Obama. By distancing herself from Obama’s efforts, she encourages Democrats in Congress to do the same, especially those in more conservative states or dependent on more hawkish donors. And given the furious opposition Obama’s efforts will spark among Republicans, a public split among Washington Democrats will make it harder for him to prevail.

All of which shows why it’s important that Clinton face a primary challenger. It’s the only way that progressives, who overwhelmingly support Obama on immigration and Iran, can influence her behavior.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com

Just read this on Andrew Sullivan, and I hope we push her hard to embrace this executive order and take it further when she gets
into office. She should come out strong for immigration reform. This inaction will not endear her to the base.

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. really?

Hillary Clinton on Immigration

2007: Focus on comprehensive reform, not driver's licenses. (Jan 2010)
Allow driver's licenses for illegals until we get reform. (Jan 2010)
NY licenses for illegals fills federal gap. (Aug 2009)
No official English, but keep common unifying language. (Feb 2008)
Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days. (Feb 2008)
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families. (Feb 2008)
Border fence that cuts off a college campus is absurd. (Feb 2008)
Deploy technology & personnel, not a border fence. (Feb 2008)
Guest workers only for farms, to address labor shortage. (Feb 2008)
Don’t turn local police into immigration enforcers. (Feb 2008)
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic. (Jan 2008)
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk. (Jan 2008)
Exploitation of undocumented workers drives down wages. (Jan 2008)
Co-sponsored comprehensive immigration reform in 2004. (Jan 2008)
English unifies us; teach ESL but support other languages. (Dec 2007)
Crack down on employers who exploit undocumented workers. (Dec 2007)
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: Denied saying licensing illegals “made sense”. (Oct 2007)
Immigrant license issue needs federal action on reform. (Oct 2007)
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders. (Sep 2007)
Immigration reform needs family unification as one goal. (Sep 2007)
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ. (Sep 2007)
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration. (Sep 2007)
Making English official imperils crises needing translators. (Jun 2007)
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows. (Apr 2007)
Keep New York-Ontario border passport-free for tourism. (Oct 2006)
Adamantly against illegal immigrants. (Sep 2005)

Voting Record

Opposes illegal immigration, but doesn’t vote to follow up. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid. (May 2005)
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens. (May 2006)
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)

[shenmue]

2. Too many facts!

[Pisces]

3. That's wonderful, but where is she on this? That is dinosaur bones. She could step up

and back the President. Put herself out there. She is too cautious. We need loud and solid support on immigration. We need
to grind those Republicans that want to do nothing.

The public is watching and they do not remember all of these votes that you have listed.

[VanillaRhapsody]

4. My god....what do you want me to do read her damn mind....we have FACTS that show

a historical trend.....

Do you think she suddenly started disliking immigrants? Like a recent thing?

[Vattel]

5. "Opposes illegal imigration, but doesn't vote to follow up" What does that mean?

[VanillaRhapsody]

6. Here you go...read all the publicly available evidence here...

http://ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Immigration.htm

[VanillaRhapsody]

7. here...

Talking with a radio host in Nov. 2004, Hillary said, “I am adamantly against illegal immigrants.” That alone was a show stopper but she went on: “People have got to stop employing illegal immigrants. [in NY] you see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work & construction work & domestic work.”
A prominent Democrat had figured it out! (The NY Times later quoted it as “against illegal immigration.”) After she smacked employers of illegal aliens, she went right for the throat of the 2nd culprit, the federal government:

“We ought to come up with a much better entry & exit system so that if we’re going to let people in for the work that otherwise would not be done, let’s have a system that keeps track of them.”
Even my brother Pat Buchanan commented that Hillary’s “forthrightness makes Bush sound like a talking head for La Raza.” But Hillary had no follow-up to this unusual foray into the enemy camp, and her liberal voting pattern remained unaltered.

Source: The Extreme Makeover, by Bay Buchanan, p.113-117 , Jun 5, 2007

[Vattel]

10. wow, I didn't realize she was so far right on immigration

[VanillaRhapsody]

11. what???? Do you read?

I hope you were being sarcastic...

the USBC is the Border Patrol.....she was rated 8% by them!

Clinton scores 8% by USBC on immigration issues

OnTheIssues.org interprets the 2005-2006 USBC scores as follows:

0%-30%: open-border stance (approx. 197 members)
30%-70%: mixed record on open borders (approx. 70 members)
70%-100%: sealed-border stance (approx. 202 members)

About USBC (from their website, www.usbc.org):
U.S. Border Control, founded in 1988, is a non-profit, tax-exempt, citizen's lobby. USBC is dedicated to ending illegal immigration by securing our nation's borders and reforming our immigration policies. USBC [works with] Congressmen to stop amnesty; seal our borders against terrorism and illegal immigration; and, preserve our nation's language, culture and American way of life for future generations.
Our organization accepts no financial support from any branch of government. All our support comes from concerned citizens who appreciate the work we are doing to seal our borders against drugs, disease, illegal migration and terrorism and wish to preserve our nation's language, culture and heritage for the next generations.

[Vattel]

20. Lol, USBC is practically the KKK. What do you expect from them?

[VanillaRhapsody]

21. Exactly....and they rated her only 8%....that pretty much says it all...

[Vattel]

23. I wouldn't be happy with anything but a 0% from them.

"KKK rates Clinton 8% on race issues."

[VanillaRhapsody]

25. You're not running.....

thank FSM!

if you cannot tell the difference between 8% and 100%....I suggest you study some Math!

Everyone is not a Left Leaning Independent like you....

[Vattel]

26. Not everyone is a right-leaning Democrat like you.

[Thinkingabout]

13. Right of who?

[karynnj]

14. This is not what you think it is

Bay and Pat Buchanan are troglodytes on this (and other issues) - she is placing HRC to Bush's right --- but then arguing that she hasn't backed this with votes (thank God)

[VanillaRhapsody]

17. I KNOW who they are....that is why you have to read.....

She is not saying something good...and THAT IS good.

and even if it wasn't that is just ONE point...

[karynnj]

18. Why is it good?

To me, and I am not a huge supporter of Clinton, it is something that was designed to hurt her with the Democratic base. Do you think that this quote - possibly taken out of context - was her position at that point in time?

More, what do you think when you hear that stated as her position?

[VanillaRhapsody]

19. Yes I do....Bay Buchannon wrote it....thats why you know...

if you read the full thing in context it makes sense....she meant We need to fix the immigration problem....not that she had anything against the immigrants....she was acknowledging there is a problem

[GitRDun]

8. I don't think politics is any longer a concern to Obama

He seems an awful lot like a guy whose doesn't much care about political considerations anymore.

Nothing HRC says or does will change how he acts or what he does on any issue IMO.

[dilby]

9. why does it matter what she thinks?

She can give her position when she runs for President till then she is not a decision maker and her opinion will not help Obama or herself on this.

[VanillaRhapsody]

12. and I can give you historical records.....that show WHAT she thinks...

[Starry Messenger]

15. Sounds like typical Sullivan bs.

[NaturalHigh]

16. I don't see why Secretary Clinton...

is obligated to support President Obama's political agenda, especially if she thinks it might hurt her chances of being elected in 2016. She is no longer a member of his administration, and there is nothing that requires her or anyone else to support every decision the President makes.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. some people always see imaginary feuds between obama and the clintons

even when none exists.

[srican69]

24. here is how she can “avoid inheriting Obama’s baggage in 2016"

NOT RUN FOR OFFICE

[rufus dog]

27. The Big Dog came out and stated Obama has the legal authority on the EA

So, it is not like nothing has been said. I'm not a HRC fan, but fair is fair. If her husband, the ex President, comes out in support, it takes some air out of the Sullivan piece.

If the BIG Dog came out against Obama's actions then the same people would be outraged and tie Bill to Hillary.

[arely staircase]

28. go hillary, go obama, go dems nt

[Pisces]

29. I am glad to see that Hillary made a statement in support of the immigration speech. I think this

was the best thing she could have done for her campaign.

[True Blue Door]

30. Hillary is a parasite on the Party.

And far beneath this President in every way imaginable. I doubt her silly political games with herself keep him up nights.