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Source: Vanity Fair
I am afraid of the cops. Absolutely petrified of the cops. Now understand, Ive never been arrested or held for questioning. Ive never been told that I fit the description. But that doesnt change a thing. I am afraid of cops the way that spiders are afraid of boots. Youre walking along, minding your own business, and SQUISH! You are dead.
Simply put, I am afraid of the cops because I am black. To raise the stakes even further, I am male. And to go all in on this pot of fear, I am six foot four, and weigh 250 pounds. Michael Brown, the unarmed Missouri 18-year-old shot dead by police this summer, was also six foot four. Depending on your perspective, I could be described as a gentle giant, the way that teachers described Brown. Or I could be described as a demon, the way that Officer Darren Wilson described Michael Brown in his grand-jury testimony.
I dont engage in any type of behavior that should place me in a cops crosshairs. I dont live in one of those neighborhoods, or hang out with a bad crowd, (unless you count comedians). I am not involved in felonious activity. Im not bragging. Im just boring. But the fact that Im not involved in any of that stuff doesnt leave me any more confident I wont be killed. Thats because Ive been endowed with the triple crown of being killed for no good reason: big, black, and male.
On Monday night, I went out for ice cream at 12:30 A.M. I walked a while because I live in a pretty sleepy neighborhood in Berkeley, California. I had my hoodie up, because it was cold and it made it easier to listen to the podcast in my headphones. By the time I found a late-night convenience store, I had passed a fewby my eyeunsavory characters of all races. So, as I walked in the store I had to take some precautionary action. For starters, I took the hood down. I took it down even though my afro had become a flat-fro from being squashed underneath. I didnt touch anything that I wasnt absolutely sure I was going to buy. (Just like my mom had taught me.) I kept my hands out of my pockets with palms clearly visible so the clerk behind the counter could easily see that I wasnt shoving things inor maybe more importantly about to pull something out ofmy pockets. And as soon as I decided on an Its It ice-cream sandwich, I went directly to the counter and gingerly placed my selection down, again keeping my palms visible and only making the movements I needed to get the money out of my wallet.
Read more: http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/11/w-kamau-bell-black-in-america
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)person must think of, or die.
Every day.
That is white privilege, the article makes it clear.
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"So, as I walked in the store I had to take some precautionary action. For starters, I took the hood down. I took it down even though my afro had become a flat-fro from being squashed underneath. I didnt touch anything that I wasnt absolutely sure I was going to buy. (Just like my mom had taught me.) I kept my hands out of my pockets with palms clearly visible so the clerk behind the counter could easily see that I wasnt shoving things inor maybe more importantly about to pull something out ofmy pockets. And as soon as I decided on an Its It ice-cream sandwich, I went directly to the counter and gingerly placed my selection down, again keeping my palms visible and only making the movements I needed to get the money out of my wallet."
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)no point in bringing up the fact that a young black male is far more likely to be killed by another young black male than he is to be killed by the cops.
But just try, just try, taking this sentence and replacing the word "cops" with "young black males".
"I am afraid of cops the way that spiders are afraid of boots. Youre walking along, minding your own business, and SQUISH! You are dead."
Consider Michael Brown. After he stole the cigars, he WAS walking along minding his own business, but he veered off THAT path a little bit when he decided to start hitting a cop.
Now Angel Hooper, a young black girl on the other side of the state? What was SHE doing before she got killed? "Angel and her father had stopped at the convenience store just after 7 p.m. for a pack of bubblegum after finishing a jog."
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article3080025.html#storylink=cpy
What, to consider another recent case, was 10 year old Machole Stewart doing when she was shot? Was she assaulting a police officer? Involved in a strong arm robbery?
"A relative said that Machole, who was always full of life and considered a natural comedian, was sitting on a couch when a hail of bullets was heard outside. Apparently thinking it was fireworks, Machole jumped off the couch and was struck once in the right side of the head by a bullet that came into the house."
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article3400274.html#storylink=cpy
She didn't even have to go OUT to get killed. She was just sitting at home watching TV, when SQUISH, she was killed by some young black males.
But yeah, it's cops who are scary and it just a distraction to mention Angel Hooper and Machole Stewart when the REAL issue, the REAL tragedy, is Michael Brown.
Not that I am saying young black males are scary. I work with them pretty much every day and see them on the street and at stores. The black guy I just hired is 6'4" and 260 and the black guy I just promoted is 6'2" and 220. (Neither of them, though, are particularly young (57 and 40). But if it's ridiculous to say that young black males are scary, and it is, it is even more ridiculous to say that cops are scary.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)..............
Just released new video footage speaks for itself....a black man can not make the mistake of thinking they also have white privilege...it may be death.
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/11/new-footage-shows-last-minutes-darrien
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Your post indicates you do not want to understand.
Spazito
(50,329 posts)congrats...I guess.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Spazito
(50,329 posts)is not whining and the post doesn't merit an alert as you well know.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)i have no idea why he is even here.
Spazito
(50,329 posts)which is why, imo, the posts need to be challenged at every turn. It seems some see challenging posts like the one we are discussing is 'whining', an odd take to say the least, lol.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)i alert every time.
Number23
(24,544 posts)demmiblue
(36,845 posts)Signed,
White female, five feet three inches tall, in America 2014.
Yes, that post absolutely belittles the point of the OP.
Signed,
White woman, 5'1", NY
treestar
(82,383 posts)The person in the OP article should not have to be afraid of cops because of what other people do who happen to have the same skin color.
Autumn
(45,071 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)half the people here agree with this.
demmiblue
(36,845 posts)Very few people here agree with this. Bad jury pool, perhaps.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)from this poster, and somehow he always seem to be given the benefit of doubt by juries. and he is not the only one.
demmiblue
(36,845 posts)I find his continued presence here totally perplexing.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)he actually has done some decent economic posts, but his racial posts are always disturbing.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Well, judging by the one that announced the jury results, you're probably right.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)that's called white privilege.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)is white privilege.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Statistically, it is not rational for someone to be afraid to fly versus drive, as the odds are MUCH greater you will die on the road. What privilege am I demonstrating by telling people which they should fear more?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)HIS own words:
But if it's ridiculous to say that young black males are scary, and it is, it is even more ridiculous to say that cops are scary.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)So, we are back to using science as your reasoning is irrational. When did we change to republican underground?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 30, 2014, 03:27 AM - Edit history (3)
According to statistics, you have no idea what black men think or feel. Unless you have a white privilege crystal ball, your statistics mean jack. as i mentioned to the other psychic, feelings are rarely rational. and in the case of black males, most of them learned to fear police based on their experiences with police.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It'll mean something to you, even if the plane is still unlikely to crash.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... crime and murder is no higher than white on white..
But racist like to extract black crime as if its different than white crime without caveat...
And there are plenty of people willing to believe them
Heidi
(58,237 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:27 AM - Edit history (1)
you're not the center of the universe, nor is your experience with young, tall, black males. As ridiculous as you--a well-educated white man may find it--you know as well as I do that PLENTY of Americans find young, black men "scary." Young black men are killed for that reason. I would ask you to entertain the notion that your experience is not the _only_ experience. I, for example, am a hell of a lot more frightened of US cops than I am of young, black US males.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)people's prejudices against the black community. He might as well be using the word demons. Same shit.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)"So long as black people are experiencing this kind of violence, they have no right to compain about this other kind of violence."
Bullshit. It's simply a way to dismiss concerns about police violence.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)along with a few of his friends here.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)the lack of some who can't see how transparent and obvious their deflections from the point are. You just aren't right in saying what you have written. You "work with 'them' black males pretty much every day", do you. I feel sorry for them. Way to go 'authority' figure on promoting "one of them".......
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Is that the bar these days?
"Well, the kids are all doing it, we cops should join right in!"
That's like me complaining about a dealership's master mechanic screwing up my car, and you bring up your Uncle Bob Shadetree who forgot to replace the oil cap that one time.
We expect more integrity, reason, restraint and training from law enforcement officers than we do from gangbangers.
Or, at least, some of us do.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)your blithe "cops aren't scary! really, they're not!" reveals how easy your life has been cop wise.
Some are great, like this guy.
Some are more like this guy.
If you're not scared of this you prove your privilege, whatever it is.
( dude's a nut but story is interesting)
And this is just how irrational law enforcement has become. Campus cops aren't stopping rampant rape and assault on campuses, but have all the goddamned time in the world to arrest kids for petty crap. THAT is not rational.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... race on race crime...
I didn't read the rest of that bullshit
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)He ls full of
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)Black on black violence in form of gang violence is sorta expected. Everybody recognizes they are bad, nobody expects anything different from them. But with cops, we tax payers pay for their salary, we expect them to behave themselves around us and not act overly aggressive and trigger fingery.
Just imagine if out of a bottle of 100 tylenol you buy from the store, 3 will kill you if you take it. Now even if you rarely take tylenols and never been harmed by it. Its still very scary to know that something you need when you are sick and in need of help could be very dangerous to you.
I hope that makes sense to you. I encounter black people 100000x every years and nothing bad has ever happened to me, but I bet a 1000 bucks that if I encountered cops the same number of times, I would be dead by now.
That is the reason why people have this somewhat irrational fear of the cops
The video below is another good one why people fear the police.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Kamau scrupulously presents this purely as a statement about his psychology, not about the world in which he lives, and I think that's fair enough - that may well be how he thinks.
But in case his audience aren't so careful, I think it's probably worth noting that his fear is clearly not rational.
Every year, out of 100,000 black men in the USA:
1 will be shot dead by a cop, most but by no means all of them criminals.
16 will be shot dead by people who are not cops (including suicides); again, criminals will be overrepresented, but much less so.
About 1000 will die in total.
So placing "being shot by the police" high among your list of fears, or avoiding it high among your motivations, is not rational, even if you are a young black man in the USA.
The fact that for white men the number is probably over 1 in 1000,000, possibly higher, certainly indicates room for improvement, but if you're thinking in terms of "bad things that might happen to me" rather than "social problems that should be fixed", "being shot by the police" should not get a look-in.
starroute
(12,977 posts)There's also being stopped and questioned for no good reason, being arrested for fitting a vague description ("tall black male in a hoodie" , or just being treated with suspicion and disrespect by store clerks.
It's also inappropriate to make fun of natural fears by citing statistics to portray them as "not rational." We all evolved in an environment where there might be predators waiting to jump out at us from behind the next bush, and we become very wary when those ancient survival instincts tell us we're in a potentially unsafe situation. (Alone, at night, not among friends.)
Can you deny that for black men the sphere of "unsafe" is much larger than it is for white men? For that matter, can you say honestly that if you had to walk through a black neighborhood, alone, at night, as a white person you wouldn't be feeling somewhat nervous?
If you can swear that you always react rationally in every situation, then you might have the right to criticize those who don't.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)another case of white privilege.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Americans are more afraid of dying in an act of terror than they are of dying in a car. Based on the statistics, that's not rational.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)But I'm puzzled that you seem to think that you're disagreeing with me when you say that.
My point is that this fear, like many fears, is not rational, not that irrational fears are shameful or unusual - I have many.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)so why try to derail it by having only something blunt to say?
It's important for people to know how they are perceived. I know quite a few who imagine the world loves them and yet who are extremely judgmental. It damages their world to know people "disapprove" of them. They have all the right "things" and "opinions" to gain approval in their little scenes. They have no clue how much they hurt people.
But disapproval is how we learn right and wrong. Collectively we need to tell the wrong what's wrong. Everybody has to suck up sometime, but when you keep sucking up and you get kicked in the teeth, you lose your longstanding patience. Rationally or irrationally, depending on how long you've been losing teeth.
Nitpicking the reality someone else shares with you - for flaws, or to prove you're "on top of this" - is just mental masturbation.
What fears...
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)too bad you can't see it.
Response to noiretextatique (Reply #35)
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noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)to claim that black men's fear of cops are irrational? if it is not white privilege, what gives you this special insight?
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)how many black males need to be killed by cops before black men can fear being killed by cops, statically?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)every single time they see a cop.
Their concerns - that they would be treated by the entire justice system much worse than anyone else in America- are very real, valid, and have a profound effect on their entire community.
It is not just concern about getting shot, and it's a very narrow and privileged POV to forget that so easily.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)20X is absolutely meaningless without defining what it is your multiplying by 20. My chance of being shot by a policeman *is* 20 times higher than some other number, just a very small number.
Likewise, the risk of being shot to death by a cop for a black man in America is 20 times a number, but it's still a very small number.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)but it is part of a bigger picture, where so many things are 20X worse. It's just the proverbial cherry on top of a whole lot of other bad shit.
That context matters.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)last week has brought out what has been hiding in the sewers. I don't care if it's one in one million, most are still executions of unarmed black males by white authorities......
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)I'd say it is 20 times more rational of young black men to fear cops than young white men do.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)well put
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)i don't tremble every time i see a cop, but i am very nervous about being stopped. especially since cops mistake common things like keys, cell phones, id, and hands for guns, if you are black.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)20 times a very small number can still be very small.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)that does mean people don't feel fear.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... I could care less if it was literally 20 to 1... it's disgusting
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Is leary of cops because of his experience with them. I do not believe he feel will differently because of some statstics claims posted by white men on the internet.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)of mixed race and the other is black. Our family has been glued to the story, and yesterday my daughter-in-law said this in an email to me:
It angers me too. The racism that still exists scares me for my kids. Nick will some day be a very big black man who some people will fear before even knowing him.
Heres a picture of Isaiah, 12, and Nick, 3, taken this past July. We all worry.
demmiblue
(36,845 posts)I feel for your family; y'all shouldn't have to even worry about this in 2014. None of us should.
I hope it gives your family some solace that there are many of us who stand with you.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)it does help us to know there are many people who stand with us on this! My son and daughter-in-law have been following the story closely on DU and have been greatly encouraged by all the excellent posts by DUers.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I know it, and likely everyone who reads is knows it deep inside. You don't have to be BBM.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Derek V
(532 posts)Because they could kill without retribution.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Go live in another country where you are not only the minority, but a very small amount. You don't get treated the same and some places won't let you in if you are 'American' period. Live there at least a year or two. You'll notice the staring right away.