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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:19 PM Nov 2014

almost 5k raised for man who confronted protestors in San Diego

http://www.youcaring.com/help-a-neighbor/help-tyree-landrum-give-his-kids-a-great-christmas/269547

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2853714/I-got-six-kids-feed-going-fired-Moment-angry-father-three-jobs-took-students-blocking-highway-Ferguson-protest.html'I got six kids to feed and you are going to get me fired': Moment an angry father with three jobs took on students who were blocking highway in Ferguson protest
Tyree Landrum was on his way to work during the San Diego rush hour
Group of around a dozen student protesters blocked the I-5 highway
He got out of the car and confronted them, saying he was going to be late
Then wrestled a bullhorn from one of the demonstrators on the road 
Other people angry at the delay also got out of their cars 
His reaction has gone viral - prompting support from people on Facebook 

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almost 5k raised for man who confronted protestors in San Diego (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Nov 2014 OP
This person needs a history lesson NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #1
No, what he needs is to get to work so he can support his family, not having to wait GGJohn Nov 2014 #9
What he needs is another donation from me yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Nov 2014 #111
He has my full admiration. 840high Nov 2014 #112
The guy obviously doesn't understand that it is NOT okay that he needs 3 jobs Live and Learn Nov 2014 #2
Unfortunately, you can't pay rent with understanding. arcane1 Nov 2014 #6
I am sympathetic to him to. But there comes a time when society must stop Live and Learn Nov 2014 #10
Punishing low-wage earners isn't going to "fight back" against any corporatist. arcane1 Nov 2014 #14
Well then here's an idea: Live and Learn Nov 2014 #16
The real world doesn't operate the way your fantasy does. arcane1 Nov 2014 #17
The "real world" LOL... SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #126
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #138
+2 nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #199
Actually, it does. He didn't get fired. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #139
Easier solution, don't block freeways causing working people to be late. GGJohn Nov 2014 #18
And what does that solution provide exactly? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #140
Getting those that might be sympathetic to your cause pissed off at you isn't the solution either. GGJohn Nov 2014 #212
here's an idea backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #34
And exactly how would one go about that? How do you propose to stop Live and Learn Nov 2014 #141
What racism, police brutality, and corporate takeover was stopped on Interstate 5 the other day? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #169
We'll see. It is after all just a start. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #178
In fact, spoiled college students punishing low-wage earners is a slap in the face to the worker Wella Nov 2014 #30
'Spoiled college students'? Really?? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #143
Did you read the entire post or just react to the title? Wella Nov 2014 #207
I read your post LeftOfWest Nov 2014 #214
So name a way to fight back.... daleanime Nov 2014 #33
People protest here on the side of the road all the time. arcane1 Nov 2014 #38
And some like will change what needs to be changed? daleanime Nov 2014 #40
It won't. Not until it's big enough, anyway. Hell millions of us failed to stop Iraq. arcane1 Nov 2014 #47
Do you think any thing we do against TPTB..... daleanime Nov 2014 #162
I imagine you were also concerned about negative PR and bad branding when the protesters in... LanternWaste Dec 2014 #219
How did that work out? arcane1 Dec 2014 #223
How about block the entrance to the gated communities where the bosses live. OnlinePoker Nov 2014 #117
Or block the driveway to the Police Station. Dr. Strange Nov 2014 #120
They have been doing that. Actually, the police in Ferguson did that themselves. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #144
Actually, it will just get you arrested quickly. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #145
And of course no one goes in there to work.... daleanime Nov 2014 #158
Sure it will, one only must be relentless and single minded in pursuit of shutting down commerce. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #80
Did Martin Luther King ever block a freeway? former9thward Nov 2014 #119
I did not reference Dr King, I stated that the tactic could be effective for creating TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #132
Blocking a factory may be effective when workers are on strike. former9thward Nov 2014 #154
I did not speak to inflaming anyone or not, I said the tactic could be effective in creating pain TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #213
Here he is blocking a highway. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #190
Actually no, it was a officially sanctioned march on a street. former9thward Nov 2014 #204
Still blocking a highway and they marched down many streets not always Live and Learn Nov 2014 #205
It was no more blocking a street than the Macy's parade in New York. former9thward Nov 2014 #206
Already answered but keep posting away. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #210
have we learned anything from this thread yet snooper2 Dec 2014 #220
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #146
Excellent observation(s). The protesters need to start thinking like capitalists (not behaving KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #151
Do you have a job? Why can't the protesters have a little understanding? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #68
Yes I do and I understand the protests as well. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #71
Where is you sympathy for those going to work, etc? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #82
I never take the freeways since they are almost guaranteed to make one late. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #85
Let's put it this way, I have never been late to work because of protesters on the Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #91
If that is your criteria for picking sides, there really isn't much hope. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #92
Now you are getting it. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #96
I always understood there wasn't much hope for some people. Glad to see Live and Learn Nov 2014 #103
BTW, did you have $5000 donated to you today? if you did not perhaps you are on the wrong side. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #108
lol Now there is some convoluted thinking. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #147
Officer Wilson got $400k. Winning!!!!! I oppose anarchy!!!! Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2014 #157
Ah, spoken with all the resonance of someone with time to spend diddling on the internet . . . Journeyman Nov 2014 #7
A fellow diddler I see. But you support his right to have to work 3 jobs Live and Learn Nov 2014 #8
He has a right to feed his kids AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #69
Where did I say he didn't? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #72
Pretty much from the top to the bottom of this thread AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #109
Nope, never did. Reading comprehension problem, perhaps? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #148
It is implied AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #196
Oh, you are assuming. I was taught not to do that. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #197
This message was self-deleted by its author Journeyman Nov 2014 #156
how do you know he doesn't understand that ? JI7 Nov 2014 #48
+1 tammywammy Nov 2014 #51
+10 840high Nov 2014 #202
Because he wouldn't be yelling at them if he did. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #56
why ? I get angry or disagree over things people do JI7 Nov 2014 #64
To get that upset by being late to work on one occasion in CA Live and Learn Nov 2014 #94
No, just understanding lives of working people JI7 Nov 2014 #99
Funny, I am one of those and it doesn't upset me. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #102
do you make shoes? snooper2 Dec 2014 #221
I don't think it'll matter what he should be doing when his family can't afford their food. chrisa Nov 2014 #84
Do you really believe the guys family is going to starve over this one incident? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #87
Yes. And I'm sure he won't exactly support the protests when he gets fired for being late chrisa Nov 2014 #90
Let me relieve your worries then, He didn't get fired. Rest well. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #149
That doesn't make what they did ok. He could have been fired chrisa Nov 2014 #161
Your concerns have been duly noted and posted on frequently in this thread. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #163
If you have to accuse someone of being a concern troll, you've already lost the argument. chrisa Nov 2014 #192
Not accusing you of anything. Just noting that your concerns Live and Learn Nov 2014 #195
His boss understood. 840high Nov 2014 #113
He doesn't need a 'history lesson' NashuaDW Nov 2014 #3
there are ferguson protests all over the country noiretextatique Nov 2014 #5
If you think this is just about Missouri, you really don't get it. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #11
What is it about if it's not about the Ferguson case? Wella Nov 2014 #28
Inequity, in a nutshell. Both of the judicial and financial institutions. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #35
Isn't that Occupy? If so, are these protests just a resurgence of Occupy? Wella Nov 2014 #36
Occupy was just a beginning. This is another upstart. There will be more before Live and Learn Nov 2014 #42
Do you have evidence that the police set the fires? Wella Nov 2014 #45
I am hoping that the one guy we were watching who got his camera stolen somehow ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #52
That was Bassem (who spent Thanksgiving in jail). Live and Learn Nov 2014 #59
You could see it (the police car) catch fire as they were setting them ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #60
No, he was arrested later while in the back seat of a car for driving with a suspended license Live and Learn Nov 2014 #65
Yes. My question about the camera was tongue in cheek. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #78
I'll have to check on whether there is videotape of it but Live and Learn Nov 2014 #54
I'm very interested in this Wella Nov 2014 #62
Then view the links I provided. Bassem's links (posted above) are good to view too. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #67
Isn't Bassem a major anti-Semite, or have I been misinformed? Wella Nov 2014 #208
I think he just believes the Palestinians are being wronged. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #209
No. Wella Nov 2014 #211
The fact that he must work 3 jobs proves it has something to do with the inequality the protests are uppityperson Nov 2014 #88
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #95
+2 nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #200
I'd be mad too. Protest on the sides of the freeway entrances but no need to block jillan Nov 2014 #4
You mean protests where nobody will notice them? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #12
Now you're resorting to using rhetorical tricks to make their post seem absurd. arcane1 Nov 2014 #15
The freeways in California are shut down all the time, Live and Learn Nov 2014 #19
"if you don't want to be late in CA. Don't take the freeways" G_j Nov 2014 #23
Agree. I want to yell at cops having their post accident coffee clutch after.... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2014 #110
No kidding. Anyone in CA that gets that pissed off at being stuck on a freeway Live and Learn Nov 2014 #134
I was born and raised in L.A. County, and have driven CA freeways for 37 years. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #179
So that makes you an expert on "shit"? I'll take your word for it. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #182
Nope. What it does is qualifies me to tell the world post #19 is an overflowing bag of shit. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #184
Hard to argue with logic like that. Have a great day. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #188
That's not what I'm saying. Protest were you can be seen but let people go on with their daily lives jillan Nov 2014 #20
I think making people uncomfortable is the idea. You know, Live and Learn Nov 2014 #21
Except they are making the wrong people uncomfortable, sadly. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #26
Yes. it is unfortunate that those that suffer during unrest the most are the Live and Learn Nov 2014 #31
They are not the ones who suffer the most. They are the only ones who suffer. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #39
Well, I don't see it that way. And I have been stuck on the freeway often enough to Live and Learn Nov 2014 #46
Possibly because you're here telling me this... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #50
Didn't you question me first? I don't think I am the one judging. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #73
I posted the other ideas, while not judging you but judging the idea ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #77
I don't think I suggested any such thing. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #101
... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #166
I stand by that. I didn't accuse you of not participating in any Live and Learn Nov 2014 #172
Word. Texasgal Nov 2014 #189
No, making people empathetic to the cause should be the idea FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #29
Deja vu? Didn't we just discuss this below? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #74
Hell, I'd wager that even today more Americans support KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #164
I did - that's why I donated to him. 840high Nov 2014 #203
Afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. n/t ChazII Nov 2014 #159
Based on opinions around my town, the protesters have lost most of the public sympathies. FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #13
If your moniker is accurate, I sincerely doubt if most of the people in your town Live and Learn Nov 2014 #27
But these are the people that need to be convinced FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #32
And how do you get them to empathize when they listen to corporate sponsored Live and Learn Nov 2014 #37
You make the protest focus on changing minds. FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #43
They have done that. Exactly, how long are they supposed to wait for minds to change? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #49
It takes time. FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #58
I am not advocating anything. I just understand why they are doing what they are doing. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #61
You didn't answer my question. FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #66
The protests started with that approach and those approaches are still going on. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #70
We may disagree on approach. FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #86
Like I said, if there are better ideas out there, I'd be happy to hear them. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #89
I posted other ideas FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #100
And I told you those had been tried. They don't work. Period. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #104
You don't want any ideas apparently. FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #115
Once again, they tried those tactics. They don't work. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #122
By the way, you might be interested to know that they are Live and Learn Nov 2014 #106
If the message is that important... MadDAsHell Nov 2014 #22
...^ that 840high Nov 2014 #116
So you don't think the message is important? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #123
I agree people haven't been listening...but that's our fault. MadDAsHell Nov 2014 #216
Eric Garner had 5 or 6 kids to feed. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #24
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #25
Do you really think the average person, trying to get to work, give a damn about Eric Garner? GGJohn Nov 2014 #41
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #55
Blocking a highway does more bad then good yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #63
It is not all about Ferguson. I can't believe you don't understand that. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #75
I don't think anything will change the mind of some people. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #76
These interstate blocking protests are self-defeating idiocy. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #44
And what do you suggest would be abetter alternative? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #79
I'm confused -- I thought the protest was against police violence? brooklynite Nov 2014 #53
Really??? You seriously don't get it? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #81
is the guy in the open part of the 1 percent JI7 Nov 2014 #121
Maybe, if he can afford 6 children in California. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #130
What a dumb way to protest chrisa Nov 2014 #83
Here's how it works: petronius Nov 2014 #93
Protesting the murder of black people must be meek and polite and considerate at all times Scootaloo Nov 2014 #107
+1 Yep, and people will magically get it then. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #124
That's a strawman and false dilemma. chrisa Nov 2014 #160
There have been many different kind of protests. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #165
This thread is about this protest, which is not a good way to protest. chrisa Nov 2014 #167
Provided they stay on the sidewalk, right? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #173
No, it's exacly what's being expressed here Scootaloo Nov 2014 #187
Wouldn't inconveniencing the people who are actually abusing human rights make more sense? chrisa Nov 2014 #193
Did he get fired? Iggo Nov 2014 #97
No. 840high Nov 2014 #118
Of course not. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #125
This is how you block traffic! RandiFan1290 Nov 2014 #98
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #127
Look at all these DU'ers missing the entire fucking point of protest Scootaloo Nov 2014 #105
Are they democrats, they sure arent liberals...maybe this place is infested with rightwingers NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #114
No one here gets to decide how liberal another person is. Sorry. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #168
It never fails to warm my heart; seeing people who've been here FOUR DAYS judging DUers... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #181
Lots of folk here defending Wilson, I dont consider a single one of them liberal NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #183
Exactly! nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #128
A picket line strikes directly at the problem though, doesn't it? petronius Nov 2014 #129
This 'problem' isn't confined to one place. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #131
And the protest in question doesn't strike at this problem, here, there, nor anywhere... (nt) petronius Nov 2014 #135
Really? I got it. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #137
Not accordin to the logic expressed on this thread. Scootaloo Nov 2014 #142
You need to reread this entire thread, then, including my posts, because you petronius Nov 2014 #150
If I were you I would right this injustice an picket the picketers. Here are some ideas: Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2014 #153
Oh, snap! - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #171
it wasn't an analogy. Scootaloo Nov 2014 #155
I have never eaten a Dorito in my life... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #170
Now I am really confused. Who accused you of eating a Dorito? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #176
Follow along. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #177
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that was a personal attack on you. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #180
I didn't say it was an attack on me. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #185
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #174
Scabs was the first thing that came to my mind. MerryBlooms Nov 2014 #133
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #136
This confrontation pains me deeply. This man is so wrong... mountain grammy Nov 2014 #152
Thank you. Wonderful to see someone get it. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #175
The first link in your OP has a very right-wing, authoritarian KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #186
If you protest on the freeway does it drive the point faster? n/t miyazaki Nov 2014 #191
The discussion in this thread is very similar... Socal31 Nov 2014 #194
It seems to me that many of the same people that were determined to see Occupy Live and Learn Nov 2014 #198
The minute you have to "tie together" issues for the public... Socal31 Nov 2014 #201
update 10k raised Liberal_in_LA Nov 2014 #215
update. amount raised up to 15K - lots of controvery on the go fund site about how to spend $$ Liberal_in_LA Dec 2014 #217
Good for Mr. Landrum. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #218
Good. Entitled asshole UCSD kids have no business shutting streets down. nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #222

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
9. No, what he needs is to get to work so he can support his family, not having to wait
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:22 PM
Nov 2014

out a bunch of people blocking his way to work.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
57. What he needs is another donation from me
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:43 PM
Nov 2014

This guy is awesome! Needs to get to work to feed his family. God bless him and his family.

Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #1)

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
2. The guy obviously doesn't understand that it is NOT okay that he needs 3 jobs
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:34 PM
Nov 2014

to support his family. Let alone, that someone would fire him for being stuck in traffic. He should be the first to understand why people are protesting.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
6. Unfortunately, you can't pay rent with understanding.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:16 PM
Nov 2014

He's likely being paid by the hour, and even if he doesn't get fired he'll still lose badly-needed money. I'm sympathetic to him.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
10. I am sympathetic to him to. But there comes a time when society must stop
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:23 PM
Nov 2014

appeasing the corporatists and fight back. Getting angry at those that are fighting back is not the solution to his problems.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
14. Punishing low-wage earners isn't going to "fight back" against any corporatist.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:30 PM
Nov 2014

No CEOs were harmed or inconvenienced by this, and they certainly haven't learned anything from it.

The burden is placed entirely on those who are desperate to make ends meet.

The protesters have a just cause, but this tactic won't win anyone over. Making broke people even more broke is not a solution.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
16. Well then here's an idea:
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:33 PM
Nov 2014

Don't fire him for being late when you know the freeway was blocked.

See, easy solution.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
126. The "real world" LOL...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:08 PM
Nov 2014

Your "real world" is a fucking racist cesspool, a corporate nightmare from which there is no awakening. A world where people profit off the sick and dying, a world that is being systematically destroyed by global warming. A world where you can get shot for reaching for your wallet because your skin is brown. A world where 85 people control more wealth than the bottom 25% of all people on the planet.
A world where bullies are made Captain of the football team and his victims are suspended from school. A world where the news media lies to you 24/7. A world where the head of a corporation makes 1000 times more money than the lowest paid employee.

Yeah, you can keep your "real world", and we'll keep fighting against it.


 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
34. here's an idea
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:15 PM
Nov 2014

make life hard for those who deserve it.....not people who are trying to feed their families.
See...easy solution

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
141. And exactly how would one go about that? How do you propose to stop
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:21 PM
Nov 2014

racism, police brutality and the corporate takeover of our media and politics? You didn't provide a tactic or a solution for anything.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
178. We'll see. It is after all just a start.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:14 PM
Nov 2014

My guess is nothing from this one but you never know. Eventually something will stick.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
30. In fact, spoiled college students punishing low-wage earners is a slap in the face to the worker
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:11 PM
Nov 2014

Yes, we know they're leaving college in tremendous debt. But the optics are really bad here.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
143. 'Spoiled college students'? Really??
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:23 PM
Nov 2014

Are you talking about the college students that are facing mounds of debt to pay for their education that will get them minimum wage jobs?

And here you had me fooled in to thinking that you were really interested in what was happening.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
207. Did you read the entire post or just react to the title?
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 02:41 AM
Nov 2014

I did address the fact that they are in debt. Unfortunately, that's not how the optics will play out. It's a PR issue.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
33. So name a way to fight back....
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:15 PM
Nov 2014

that won't hurt workers.


There is going to be pain no matter how you do it.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
38. People protest here on the side of the road all the time.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:19 PM
Nov 2014

They get encouragement from passing motorists, and get their message across without pissing any of them off. So there's that.

Blocking traffic isn't the one and only way to protest something.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
40. And some like will change what needs to be changed?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:25 PM
Nov 2014

It would be nice and I wish it would, but seeing how large scale peaceful protest are ignored by the MSM I don't think it will.

Do you?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
47. It won't. Not until it's big enough, anyway. Hell millions of us failed to stop Iraq.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:29 PM
Nov 2014

But it certainly doesn't help when you're pissing off the very people you're trying to win over. The MSM sees these disruptions and paints the protesters in a negative light. What good is that?

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
162. Do you think any thing we do against TPTB.....
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:51 PM
Nov 2014

would ever receive any kind of honest reporting in the MSM?




The best we can get right now is to be ignored.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
219. I imagine you were also concerned about negative PR and bad branding when the protesters in...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:48 AM
Dec 2014

I imagine you were also concerned about negative PR and bad branding when the protesters in Tianamen Square blocked traffic in 1989-- civilian as well as military traffic.

How rude of them... "what good is that?"

(insert distinction without a difference below to better validate your inability to the history and mechanics of social change)

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
223. How did that work out?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:55 AM
Dec 2014

But don't let that stop you from baseless insults. It's not like we're supposed to be adults here.

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
117. How about block the entrance to the gated communities where the bosses live.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:58 PM
Nov 2014

But of course, they won't do that because those will be the people who are hiring them down the road and it won't look good on the resume.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
145. Actually, it will just get you arrested quickly.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:27 PM
Nov 2014

Didn't occupy try bringing the demonstrations to Wall Street? These tactics have all been tried.

And your resume quote makes me think you may be think you are being disingenuous.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
158. And of course no one goes in there to work....
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:47 PM
Nov 2014

no maids, no gardeners, no housekeepers, etc...what was I thinking?



And yeah, plenty of people won't do anything out of fear, that's understandable and I for one will not mock them for it. But death from a thousand cuts may not be as flashy as decapitation, it's still death.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
80. Sure it will, one only must be relentless and single minded in pursuit of shutting down commerce.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:13 PM
Nov 2014

Bring enough plagues and Pharaoh will be moved, you just have to heap them until the cries break his will.

At issue is of course the protesters lack the single mindedness and grit to do any such thing.

I think you also underestimate the hits one can apply from stopping or slowing traffic. Hell, rest assured that just one load not being where it needs to be it can kill a whole factory run costing hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars. A single load. Multiply that by thousands and you start to hit profits. You have lost all kinds of productivity too. Pile it up enough and there can be no short term recovery.

No, it can work just fine but it has to be bigger, more sustained, and steel willed.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
119. Did Martin Luther King ever block a freeway?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:00 PM
Nov 2014

No, yet he accomplished 1000 times more than these 'protesters'.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
132. I did not reference Dr King, I stated that the tactic could be effective for creating
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:13 PM
Nov 2014

pain for the ownership class if properly and single mindedly employed.

If you want to debate that then fine.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
154. Blocking a factory may be effective when workers are on strike.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:42 PM
Nov 2014

If not on strike then it will inflame people who want to work. A more effective tactic is to sit-down and occupy a factory. This was done in 1937 in Flint as the UAW was being organized.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
213. I did not speak to inflaming anyone or not, I said the tactic could be effective in creating pain
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 03:07 PM
Nov 2014

for the ownership class. If you wish to debate that then I'd be happy to discuss it.

I will say that I am not inclined to believe that any tactic that can generate consequences for the ownership class can be effective without also causing short term pain for the workers, minimizing disruption has no premium here in fact the objective is disruption until conditions change.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
205. Still blocking a highway and they marched down many streets not always
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 02:27 AM
Nov 2014

getting permits first. But you go ahead and keep on dissing protestors if it makes you feel superior.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
151. Excellent observation(s). The protesters need to start thinking like capitalists (not behaving
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:38 PM
Nov 2014

like them) and go after the profitability of American business. The only thing the greedheads understand is the language of the almighty $ so, when corporate bottom lines start taking a hit, McCulloch will be out on his kiester faster than you can say "Corporatist."

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
71. Yes I do and I understand the protests as well.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:59 PM
Nov 2014

If they make me late I will not be anymore upset than I am at the people involved in an accident or the road construction that make me late on occasion. I think of it as a worthy cause.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
82. Where is you sympathy for those going to work, etc?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:13 PM
Nov 2014

Did those going to work prevent you from protesting? Also, if you happened to be off from work does not mean everyone is off, becoming a nuisance is not going to get you sympathy.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
85. I never take the freeways since they are almost guaranteed to make one late.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:16 PM
Nov 2014

Have you never been late to work for another reason? I'll take being late to work for a good cause over inaction any day.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
91. Let's put it this way, I have never been late to work because of protesters on the
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:24 PM
Nov 2014

Freeway, sounds like the Bundy crap, there are lots of places to protest without impeding the freeway traffic and if I was to have sympathy is sure would not be with protesters in the freeway. Whatever cause you are trying to get attention I will be on the opposite side.

Response to Live and Learn (Reply #8)

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
51. +1
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:38 PM
Nov 2014

Frankly, I find the arrogance in this thread disheartening. Posters might as well just say he doesn't know what's good for him. Never one the fact that what he's thinking about is feeding his family and keeping the lights on. But that's okay, the protesters know what's best for him...he's obviously just too stupid to understand.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
94. To get that upset by being late to work on one occasion in CA
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:29 PM
Nov 2014

really might require some anger management therapy.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
84. I don't think it'll matter what he should be doing when his family can't afford their food.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:15 PM
Nov 2014

I also don't think being fired will make him more likely to support the protester's goals.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
87. Do you really believe the guys family is going to starve over this one incident?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:18 PM
Nov 2014

Or are you just trying to stifle dissent?

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
90. Yes. And I'm sure he won't exactly support the protests when he gets fired for being late
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:23 PM
Nov 2014

because a bunch of stupid college kids decided to go out and protest in the dumbest way possible. Someone who has to work 3 jobs likely needs every cent they can get. Screwing with workers' lives is the best way of stifling dissent - for your own cause. This is an ultimate act of assholery - it is in no way productive or useful.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
161. That doesn't make what they did ok. He could have been fired
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:51 PM
Nov 2014

Also, blocking people from getting to work is not ok. It's a horrible way to protest, and makes enemies, not friends.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
163. Your concerns have been duly noted and posted on frequently in this thread.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:53 PM
Nov 2014

And answered I might add.

But feel free to keep at it.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
192. If you have to accuse someone of being a concern troll, you've already lost the argument.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 10:19 PM
Nov 2014

Have a good night.

NashuaDW

(90 posts)
3. He doesn't need a 'history lesson'
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:45 PM
Nov 2014

He's simply doing what millions of other people are doing -- WHATEVER IT TAKES TO FEED THE FAMILY.

The strategy of screwing with people's day and livelihood is a losing one on all fronts. No one is going to come to your side because you annoy them to the point where they need to scream at you.

This guy lives in/around San Diego ... and has nothing to do with Missouri.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
5. there are ferguson protests all over the country
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:50 PM
Nov 2014

and the world.
and yes, he does need a history lesson. he has basic human rights today because of protests like this one. having said that, it is annoying to have to wait, especially when you have to be somewhere.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
28. What is it about if it's not about the Ferguson case?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:09 PM
Nov 2014

That seems to be the raison d'etre for all of the protests.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
35. Inequity, in a nutshell. Both of the judicial and financial institutions.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:16 PM
Nov 2014

Police brutality and the protection of corporate institutions is a byproduct of the former that is becoming more apparent and less palatable to the public.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
36. Isn't that Occupy? If so, are these protests just a resurgence of Occupy?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:17 PM
Nov 2014

And couldn't they have been done without burning down Ferguson?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
42. Occupy was just a beginning. This is another upstart. There will be more before
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:25 PM
Nov 2014

any change really occurs.

By the way, the reality of the protests have been covered by live streamers since the protest began and is the only way to view what really happened. The Ferguson protestors (those that live there and have been protesting) were not responsible for any of the fires or looting. In fact, some of the fires were caused by police and others by outsiders. A variety of people came to Ferguson including the Klan.

Here is good link to the protests by a live streamer (or ustreamer) who has followed the protests since the beginning. If you are really interested, you should go back in time a bit to view some of the older ones first.

http://www.ustream.tv/z?utm_campaign=t.co&utm_source=ustre.am%2FHbME&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20141013140253

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
52. I am hoping that the one guy we were watching who got his camera stolen somehow
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:38 PM
Nov 2014

has recorded some of the footage. I saw (with my own eyes) a flash bang set off that first police car. The others? I'm not sure about, but that first fire was an accident on the part of the police.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
60. You could see it (the police car) catch fire as they were setting them
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:46 PM
Nov 2014

off.

What was he arrested for? Having his camera stolen? That's utterly ridiculous.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
65. No, he was arrested later while in the back seat of a car for driving with a suspended license
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:50 PM
Nov 2014

which he denies. They have arrested him several time for the same warrants. Not sure why the warrants haven't been taken care of yet.

Of course the real reason he keeps getting arrested is because they don't like what he says and his videotaping.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
54. I'll have to check on whether there is videotape of it but
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:41 PM
Nov 2014

according to those down there that witnessed the incidents, the police fired tear gas that started a fire on a cleaners and and a tear gas canister also started a fire when it was shot in to a police car. And, another police car was set on fire by a white guy with a flag bandana.

What I do know fro a fact is that the original protestors from Ferguson were on live stream at the time and were not responsible. If you watch the videos from the beginning, you actually get to know many of them.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
208. Isn't Bassem a major anti-Semite, or have I been misinformed?
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 02:42 AM
Nov 2014

Saw that on the Facebook page of someone I trust.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
211. No.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 02:49 AM
Nov 2014

But sometimes there is a fine line. I don't want to get into it here because I think the moderators might lock the thread. I can understand their perspective.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
88. The fact that he must work 3 jobs proves it has something to do with the inequality the protests are
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:19 PM
Nov 2014

about.

Why must he work 3 jobs to feed his family? Why are black children, young adults, being shot with impunity by cops?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
12. You mean protests where nobody will notice them?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:27 PM
Nov 2014

Kind of like they did during the GOP convention, specific protesting locations. Better yet, why not just allow them to protest in a sound proof room?

Civil disobedience is just that disobedience not acquiescence.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
15. Now you're resorting to using rhetorical tricks to make their post seem absurd.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:33 PM
Nov 2014

After all, every motorist on the freeway can see the shoulders. A long crowd of people would be quite noticeable!

Why are you trying to stifle discussion by using rhetorical tricks like reducto ad absurdum? We should be trying to cultivate discussion.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
19. The freeways in California are shut down all the time,
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:37 PM
Nov 2014

usually for accidents or just too much traffic. To pretend that these protests are really upsetting the balance of life in CA is ridiculous and not worthy of prolonged discussion.

And I wasn't being rhetorical. Those policies have actually been used for protestors.

And here is some good advice if you don't want to be late in CA. Don't take the freeways. I rarely take them. I drive over 30 miles to work and use streets because the freeways will almost assuredly make me late.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,324 posts)
110. Agree. I want to yell at cops having their post accident coffee clutch after....
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:48 PM
Nov 2014

..... the ambulance go and the cars are cleaned up.

Or when they shut down Lake Shore Drive to let the sail boats pass under the bridge. Or shut down LSD for a marathon or "Bike The Drive"

Maybe DUers can send me money for my inconvenience.

Actually, the guy needs a battery/assault charge.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
134. No kidding. Anyone in CA that gets that pissed off at being stuck on a freeway
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:15 PM
Nov 2014

is headed for an early coronary.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
179. I was born and raised in L.A. County, and have driven CA freeways for 37 years.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:14 PM
Nov 2014

Let me say your post is five pounds of shit in a four pound bag.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
20. That's not what I'm saying. Protest were you can be seen but let people go on with their daily lives
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:37 PM
Nov 2014

People have busy lives and even tho they may support the protests 100% they still have to pick up the kids from the sitter at a certain time, go to work at a certain time, be home for their kids school bus at a certain time.... etc!

When I was younger, raising a family and working outside the home I didn't sit down from the time I woke up to the time I went to bed. That doesn't mean I don't support protests - I do! And often get involved....
but don't get in the way of someone who needs to get to work. That's all I am saying.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
26. Except they are making the wrong people uncomfortable, sadly.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:07 PM
Nov 2014

The ones we need to make uncomfortable over this simply aren't going to care about the suffering of the masses. Let them eat cake and all.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
31. Yes. it is unfortunate that those that suffer during unrest the most are the
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:13 PM
Nov 2014

members of the general population which is one reason why revolutions are so distasteful.

But when the government and judicial systems don't work to stop inequity there is little choice left. This is yet another wake up call to those institutions.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
39. They are not the ones who suffer the most. They are the only ones who suffer.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:21 PM
Nov 2014

I fully support the laying down on the ground in shopping malls, the gathering in parks and other public spaces...

But this does not affect change. It affects the ability of the 99% to take care of their families and themselves.

While I would gladly idle away the entire day on a freeway in support (unless it was a family medical emergency; then I'm asking you to move or mowing you over), a good many people will not. And they will hate you for it. They won't suddenly change their minds and join you.

And the ones these freeway peeps are trying to catch the attention of? They don't care about you, me, or those people standing there.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
46. Well, I don't see it that way. And I have been stuck on the freeway often enough to
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:29 PM
Nov 2014

not get upset about it whatever the reason.

Getting attention is the only way to get the message out and unfortunately, the only way to get media attention these days seems to be just what the protestors are doing.

If you have better ideas, why not get them out there and start organizing. Just telling others that they are not doing it right is meaningless.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
50. Possibly because you're here telling me this...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:36 PM
Nov 2014

...

How about you do your life and your activism and I'll do mine? And we won't judge what the other does or doesn't do to be a good liberal protester based upon our mutual presence on a message board one Saturday.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
73. Didn't you question me first? I don't think I am the one judging.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:04 PM
Nov 2014

I wish there were better ideas that would work. I just haven't seen any by those claiming the protestors tactics don't work.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
77. I posted the other ideas, while not judging you but judging the idea
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:10 PM
Nov 2014

of making the public suffer over something they have no control over to win them over. It's never going to work.

Suggesting that I don't protest/participate in activism simply because we disagree is disingenuous, hence my comment to you.

Let's put it like this: I think it's an idea that will further enrage the public, including those who sympathize (people like my dad, a good Democratic voter who is disgusted by the GJ decision yet really super pissed off at these highway trotters).

You think it's a good idea. Neither of us is going to change our minds.

Simple as that.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
101. I don't think I suggested any such thing.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:34 PM
Nov 2014

And I would be happy to read your ideas if you could kindly point me to them.

I just don't think that people should be so upset and judgmental about people that are trying there best to do something about the inequities. You don't have to join them on the freeways but do try to understand why they are doing what they are doing and offer up better solutions if you have some.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
166. ...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:58 PM
Nov 2014

"If you have better ideas, why not get them out there and start organizing. Just telling others that they are not doing it right is meaningless." And no, I'm not going to repeat myself. You can reread our exchange.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
172. I stand by that. I didn't accuse you of not participating in any
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:04 PM
Nov 2014

actions. In fact, I asked for your ideas. And I have agreed with many of your posts in the past.

I just don't think that judging and criticizing others actions is very helpful.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
29. No, making people empathetic to the cause should be the idea
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:10 PM
Nov 2014

This does the opposite.

More Americans will relate to the this guy than the protesters.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
164. Hell, I'd wager that even today more Americans support
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:53 PM
Nov 2014

Wilson than think he should be on trial. (I have not seen any national polling around this issue, either before the GJ decision or since, so this is just an (un)educated guess on my part.)

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
13. Based on opinions around my town, the protesters have lost most of the public sympathies.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:30 PM
Nov 2014

This guy will resonate more with the average American than the protesters.

The only way to change minds to get people to emphasize with the cause, this type of protest just pisses people off.



Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
27. If your moniker is accurate, I sincerely doubt if most of the people in your town
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:07 PM
Nov 2014

ever had any sympathy. Am I wrong about that?

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
32. But these are the people that need to be convinced
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:13 PM
Nov 2014

I may be the rare liberal here, but these are not bad folks. Yes, they listen to FoxNews, but they can be convinced.

However, you don't win them over with riots, looting, blocking highways, etc.

You win them over by getting them to empathize with the cause. A protest with people holding up pictures of innocent and unarmed people killed by police would do much more to change hearts than blocking a highway.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
37. And how do you get them to empathize when they listen to corporate sponsored
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:18 PM
Nov 2014

television? You have to take it to the streets because the media has been bought and paid for.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
43. You make the protest focus on changing minds.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:25 PM
Nov 2014

Until the average American emotionally connects with the cause, it's doomed.

When Vietnam was going on, protests did little but harden opinions. When Time and Life started publishing pictures of the weekly dead and following ground troops day to day, the average Joe began to empathize. That is what put pressure on politicians.

The average American working to support his family will connect with this guy trying to get to work over the protesters.

Now, what's wrong with a mile long line of people holding pictures of slain victims silently by the road. THAT would resonate. That would change minds over time.


Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
49. They have done that. Exactly, how long are they supposed to wait for minds to change?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:34 PM
Nov 2014

And where is Time and Life now?

I don't understand why people haven't awoken already. Why do they need minds changed? Why are they so blind to the inequities? I don't think they really are. It just makes them uncomfortable to acknowledge them.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
58. It takes time.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:45 PM
Nov 2014

Minds don't change overnight.

It takes persistence.

You say it's been done, where and for how long?

I live with and work with conservatives. They aren't bad people, they aren't KKK members, and they can be (have been) convinced by targeting their emotions, and they are quick to respond when you do. They aren't "uncomfortable", they want law and order and justice.

Right now, the protesters have lost the average Joe. You advocate actions that will not only turn them off the cause, but will make them actively against the cause.







Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
61. I am not advocating anything. I just understand why they are doing what they are doing.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:46 PM
Nov 2014

You are advocating, waiting. Good luck with that.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
66. You didn't answer my question.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:51 PM
Nov 2014

When, where, and for how long has my approach been tried?

It's not about waiting, it's about being smart.

But go ahead with defending this traffic blocking approach and see how successful that is.

Good bye.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
70. The protests started with that approach and those approaches are still going on.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:57 PM
Nov 2014

But it is obvious that you haven't heard about them because they do NOT draw attention.

Here are some links to help you out. You will need to start with the videos from months ago.

http://www.ustream.tv/z?utm_campaign=t.co&utm_source=ustre.am%2FHbME&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20141013140253

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/54472018


They have been protesting this incident since Brown was shot.

You do realize that the Brown case is not an anomaly nor are the protests. Many cases have occurred and there have been many protests with little attention. This one has just taken off.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
86. We may disagree on approach.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:17 PM
Nov 2014

However, I think we want the same thing.

I don't believe any approach that alienates the very people you need to make change happen is anything but self-defeating, no matter how much air time it gets.

Peace.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
89. Like I said, if there are better ideas out there, I'd be happy to hear them.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:20 PM
Nov 2014

But I do think people have tried many approaches with little success and I understand there frustration.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
100. I posted other ideas
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:34 PM
Nov 2014

Like I said, hold signs along the highway showing pictures of innocent people killed.

Do it everyday, peacefully and without disrupting people trying to support their families.

It may not make headlines, but it will change peoples minds who see it everyday.

Not splashy, not CNN worthy, but far more effective than what these people did.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
115. You don't want any ideas apparently.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:57 PM
Nov 2014

You just want to shoot ideas posted here down and agree with dumb tactics.

Fine.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
122. Once again, they tried those tactics. They don't work.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:04 PM
Nov 2014

I am looking for new ideas. Apparently, you don't have any.

By the way, I never said I agreed with the tactic and never will you find me blocking a freeway. I just said I understand why they are doing what they are doing. I would much prefer some better tactics but admit I don't have any and I haven't seen any posted either.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
106. By the way, you might be interested to know that they are
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:40 PM
Nov 2014

doing a march to the state capital. I think you will approve of that tactic.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
22. If the message is that important...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:45 PM
Nov 2014

...people will listen. If you have to block an entire freeway to get people to listen, your argument starts to look pretty unimportant.

1960's sit-ins were effective and only had to inconvenience the bigoted entities engaging in discriminatory practices, so you were less likely to lose public support.

Are we that bad at creating change in 2014 that we have to inconvenience EVERYBODY to make a point?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
123. So you don't think the message is important?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:06 PM
Nov 2014

Because people sure the heck haven't been listening, thus far.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
216. I agree people haven't been listening...but that's our fault.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:55 PM
Nov 2014

I feel like this is the midterms all over again, where instead of saying "How is our messaging wrong/ineffective?" we just call everybody "fucking idiots" for voting for the other side.

What does that accomplish?

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
24. Eric Garner had 5 or 6 kids to feed.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:01 PM
Nov 2014

But the police choked him to death.

He'll never work again. And their life will be even more difficult.

But let's make this man the face of injustice.

And... he's black! A perfect token for white conservatives to hit activists over the head with.


GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
41. Do you really think the average person, trying to get to work, give a damn about Eric Garner?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:25 PM
Nov 2014

No, what they care about is getting to work on time, being able to put food on the table for their family, keeping a roof over their heads, putting clothes on the kids backs, paying the utility bills, etc.
Blocking a freeway and pissing off the average person is not the way to garner sympathy for the inequalities in society.

Response to GGJohn (Reply #41)

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
63. Blocking a highway does more bad then good
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:49 PM
Nov 2014

Eric Garner is not a factor in this at all. Why you spent two replies saying so is not going to change that. It is all about Ferguson and only Ferguson. Blocking a highway....good grief. Very lucky nobody got killed. Lets stop cars going 80 down the road......

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
75. It is not all about Ferguson. I can't believe you don't understand that.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:07 PM
Nov 2014

Or maybe you are just choosing not to acknowledge it?

LostInAnomie

(14,428 posts)
44. These interstate blocking protests are self-defeating idiocy.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:27 PM
Nov 2014

The only people that are sympathetic to them are people that are already convinced. Everyone else is turned off by them.

Why would anyone listen to protesters that are going out of your way to fuck with their lives?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
79. And what do you suggest would be abetter alternative?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:12 PM
Nov 2014

Please give me something that hasn't already been tried.

Do you also acknowledge that there are many that are unsympathetic and will never be convinced probably because they think they are benefiting from the inequities? What about those that "fuck" with peoples lives by shooting their kids? Any sympathy for them?

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
53. I'm confused -- I thought the protest was against police violence?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:38 PM
Nov 2014

Why are people suggesting it has anything to do with corporations and the economy?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
130. Maybe, if he can afford 6 children in California.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:11 PM
Nov 2014

And why is he taking up three jobs when a hell of a lot of people here can't get one?

See how that works?

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
83. What a dumb way to protest
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:14 PM
Nov 2014

Stand on the side of the road. Don't provoke people who are trying to get to work. That's just being an ass.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
93. Here's how it works:
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:27 PM
Nov 2014

Step 1) Block traffic a 1000 miles from the scene of the crime, and interfere with the lives of 100s of innocent people

Step 2) ???

Step 3) JUSTICE!


chrisa

(4,524 posts)
160. That's a strawman and false dilemma.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:48 PM
Nov 2014

Just because you're not blocking traffic doesn't mean that you're being "meek." It's entirely possible to protest in thousands of other ways that don't get people fired and block traffic. On the other hand, being polite and considerate is a great way to get people on your side. Being annoying by blocking traffic is not going to win any supporters.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
165. There have been many different kind of protests.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:56 PM
Nov 2014

Maybe you should focus on some of the others. They are now marching to the state capital. Perhaps you should focus on that one.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
167. This thread is about this protest, which is not a good way to protest.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:59 PM
Nov 2014

Marching on the state capital is a good way to protest.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
187. No, it's exacly what's being expressed here
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:25 PM
Nov 2014

And if you have to ask nicely to get people on your side on the issue that killing black people is wrong, then you've fucking lost already.

This isn't protesting over a new sidewalk being installed in your favorite park, chrisa. it's protest over abuse of human lives.

My suggestion? Go out spend some time with the protestors. See what's going through their heads, hear their opinions and logic and arguments.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
193. Wouldn't inconveniencing the people who are actually abusing human rights make more sense?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 10:22 PM
Nov 2014

In this case, wouldn't inconveniencing the police make sense? This accomplished nothing but pissing workers off.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
105. Look at all these DU'ers missing the entire fucking point of protest
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:39 PM
Nov 2014

No doubt they think picket lines should break to let scabs through, too.

More evidence that for most of DU, liberalism is a fashion accessory

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
114. Are they democrats, they sure arent liberals...maybe this place is infested with rightwingers
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:57 PM
Nov 2014

who look for an excuse to oppose anything and everything liberal...just maybe

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
183. Lots of folk here defending Wilson, I dont consider a single one of them liberal
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:20 PM
Nov 2014

or opposing protest, nothing liberal about that...

I have noticed a group of people who wont come right out and defend him but that is what they are doing...

and anyone who doesnt understand the need for protest and that some problems come with it, are either ignorant of history or simply dont much care for protest in general..

petronius

(26,602 posts)
129. A picket line strikes directly at the problem though, doesn't it?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:11 PM
Nov 2014

This protest doesn't.

You've got your "fashion accessory" charge backwards: when people are gung ho to 'do something' without introspection, reflection, a plan, or a legitimate claim of addressing the/any problem, perhaps they're the ones with the 'liberalism as a fashion accessory' mindset...

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
142. Not accordin to the logic expressed on this thread.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:21 PM
Nov 2014

A picket line's function is to try to keep people from doing business with the place of work in question. That interferes with people's shopping and is an inconvenience, and as we see here, any protest that causes even slight inconvenience is WRONG. More, it seeks to prevent entry of scab workers hired to replace the striking workers- this denies people of needed work, and is again an inconvenience and is thus WRONG according to the logic on this thread.

because the logic of this thread is formed by a bunch of ignorant entitled people whose experience with protest is e-signing a MoveOn form letter in between handfuls of doritos while watching Bill Maher and feeling vaguely countercultural.

Sorry. The point of protest is not to stand back and not make a fuss or to be quiet and polite and avoid getting in someone's way. That sort of passivity is entirely COUNTER to the point of protest.

Also, do you think abuse of black communities is only a Ferguson problem? Your earlier post on the thread sure seems that way, and i think that' a good signifier that you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
150. You need to reread this entire thread, then, including my posts, because you
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:33 PM
Nov 2014

have clearly failed to understand it. You might start by reconsidering your analogy of a strike/picket line targeting a business, and a freeway stoppage targeting -- what?

But at least you can proudly jangle your fashion accessory...

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
155. it wasn't an analogy.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:44 PM
Nov 2014

i said that the same people bitching here would bitch about a picket line, for the same reasons.

The freeway stoppage forces the issue to be realized and confronted. You can't just zoom by and ignore the fact that black lives matter. Which is EXACTLY what you and many other posters here clearly want to do.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
170. I have never eaten a Dorito in my life...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:01 PM
Nov 2014

the only thing I've ever done for MoveOn is poll sit in 2004 (you can ask PassingFair)

I have pounded dozens and dozens and possibly high hundreds of miles of pavement for candidates and causes.

I am pretty dang sick and tired of the judgment here that goes on when people disagree.

Get over it, and cut it out.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
176. Now I am really confused. Who accused you of eating a Dorito?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:12 PM
Nov 2014

Why am I missing all these supposed accusations?

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
177. Follow along.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:13 PM
Nov 2014

I'm not going to hold your hand. Either discuss or don't.

"because the logic of this thread is formed by a bunch of ignorant entitled people whose experience with protest is e-signing a MoveOn form letter in between handfuls of doritos while watching Bill Maher and feeling vaguely countercultural."

I am tired of disagreements becoming purity arguments. It's stupid as heck.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
180. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that was a personal attack on you.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:19 PM
Nov 2014

Then again, it couldn't have been about you since you didn't eat any Doritos, could it?

I guess it just felt like it was about you.

Which side started the purity arguments here in the first place? I think it was the 'how dare protestors inconvenience me' crowd.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
185. I didn't say it was an attack on me.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:23 PM
Nov 2014

You did. I didn't see one person post "how dare" stuff. I see a fifty-fifty split on whether it's effective to convince others. Breathe a bit and reread the thread

MerryBlooms

(11,767 posts)
133. Scabs was the first thing that came to my mind.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:14 PM
Nov 2014

The guy has 6 kids and 3 jobs... maybe he'll buy a clue and a pkg of goddamn condoms with his scab $$$.


mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
152. This confrontation pains me deeply. This man is so wrong...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 08:42 PM
Nov 2014

I honestly can't imagine where America would be without the protest and strikes that have brought about great changes in our country. Many activists have been murdered or imprisoned. I think it's important for people to voice outrage over the great injustices that are happening in America.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
186. The first link in your OP has a very right-wing, authoritarian
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:25 PM
Nov 2014

tone to it. My "Ugh" meter went deep into the red zone when i clicked on it. Just a word to the wise.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
194. The discussion in this thread is very similar...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 10:24 PM
Nov 2014

Similar to what plagued the Occupy movement. There was no consistency in the message.

The fact that the METHOD of protest has overshadowed the MESSAGE tells me all that I need to know about its effectiveness. The message can't even be agreed upon in this thread, which is full of posters sporting an above-average education level. How will the "average" sound-bite consumer sort it out?

Personally I feel that if you are basing your demonstration on Ferguson, at this moment in time, the issue is very clearly that of police brutality, injustice, profiling, and the ongoing local PD militarization. Watering it down with other issues, no matter how important, seems counter-productive.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
198. It seems to me that many of the same people that were determined to see Occupy
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 11:51 PM
Nov 2014

fail are the same ones determined to make this one fail. They might even win again but I think the movements will keep coming back and gaining in strength unless something is done to change all these inequities.

I don't believe for a minute that you can't see how the messages all tie together.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
201. The minute you have to "tie together" issues for the public...
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:09 AM
Nov 2014

..You've unfortunately already lost their attention.

It seems odd that people are advocating using the Ferguson anger and passion, which is over a very specific issue, for anything other than said issue.

To be honest what bothers me isn't the dilution of messages, but the conspicuous insults that are being tossed at those who don't think standing on I-5 is the best plan ever hatched.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
217. update. amount raised up to 15K - lots of controvery on the go fund site about how to spend $$
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:04 PM
Dec 2014

Most recent comment from guy who started the fund raiser:

Sorry for any confusion. We would like to allocate the original $2000 goal to go towards gifts for the kids and family. The remaining amount in its entirety will go to the family to do as they would like. There is currently $14,478 in the account with $100 in e-checks awaiting clearance. After gifts, that would leave a check of $12,578 (current estimate) for the family. I don't have an exact date as it depends on when the check clears and how quickly the funds get transferred, but my goal is next week as I know time is of the essence.

http://www.youcaring.com/help-a-neighbor/help-tyree-landrum-give-his-kids-a-great-christmas/269547

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