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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:47 PM Nov 2014

the bizarre compulsion of black men to reach for their waistbands

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/11/28/the-bizarre-compulsion-of-black-men-to-reach-for-their-waistbands/
by JOHN ESKOW
If police accounts are to be believed, there is a bizarre urge among young, unarmed black men to provoke their own murder by “reaching for their waistbands” when cops are aiming service revolvers at them.

Just this week we heard Officer Darren Wilson claim that one of the reasons he killed Michael Brown was that the young man “reached for his waistband,” and–in what I guess was just an incredibly weird coincidence–we heard Cleveland police claim they killed a 12-year-old kid with a toy gun because he also “reached for his waistband.”

But this odd compulsion is not a new one.  In 2011, fully half of all the young black men shot by LA cops were cut down because–again, if police accounts are to be believed–they too were “reaching for their waistbands.”  The epidemic also spread to Houston, where multiple police accounts cite the same excuse.  Oscar Grant, the young man killed by Oakland cops on a subway platform–and the subject of the movie “Fruitvale Station”–was shot for the exact same reason.

If police accounts are to be believed, this compulsion only exists among young black men.  I have been approached by angry or frustrated cops several times in my life–twice as an angry young protestor, eager to defy them– and have never felt even the slightest urge to reach for my waistband.  Maybe white skin contains a protein that protects against this terrible compulsion?
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the bizarre compulsion of black men to reach for their waistbands (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Nov 2014 OP
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #1
Oscar Grant? marym625 Nov 2014 #2
I first wrote about Oscar ages ago - TBF Nov 2014 #17
Thank you marym625 Nov 2014 #18
Kick & recommend. William769 Nov 2014 #3
Ah, yes, the latest transgression: RFWWB. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #4
Funny how many unarmed African American men reach for their waistbands gollygee Nov 2014 #5
k&r and wondering why waistbands of black men and boys are so much scarier uppityperson Nov 2014 #6
Well, I don't know about black boys. But, my Mom was always Downwinder Nov 2014 #7
Even when they have no gun treestar Nov 2014 #8
For one thing, there is no such thing as a service revolver any more.... 5X Nov 2014 #9
It's likely an explanation they've passed around for years and years. Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #10
First everyone complains that they wear their pants too low, logosoco Nov 2014 #11
I'm getting old. amandabeech Nov 2014 #12
Reminds me of a cop on Law and Order who once sneered the line "the all-purpose two black guys with DesertDiamond Nov 2014 #13
Al Bundy CatWoman Nov 2014 #14
LOL! spinbaby Nov 2014 #16
Stop going for my gun The Wizard Nov 2014 #15

Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

marym625

(17,997 posts)
2. Oscar Grant?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:58 PM
Nov 2014

He was cuffed, hands behind back on his stomach. Or is that why they said they pulled him from the train?

It does seem to be epidemic, reaching for waistband

TBF

(32,047 posts)
17. I first wrote about Oscar ages ago -
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 02:56 PM
Nov 2014

and you have to read pretty far into the wiki article to get to the "reaching for the waistband" quote but it's there. Granted he was already face down on the floor of the train but whatever ... I think it is their standard line - http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TBF/23

marym625

(17,997 posts)
18. Thank you
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 03:05 PM
Nov 2014

I read a great deal about this when it happened and watched the movie, which seems to be pretty accurate, and either didn't notice or didn't remember that.

Thanks again

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
6. k&r and wondering why waistbands of black men and boys are so much scarier
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:03 PM
Nov 2014
This has gone on far too long. I am going to take my own mixed-race son to a neurologist today, if not sooner, to have him checked for traces of this horrible Waistband-Reaching Syndrome. I’m concerned that, one day, it could get him killed…

…if police accounts are to be believed.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
7. Well, I don't know about black boys. But, my Mom was always
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:03 PM
Nov 2014

after us to "Pull your pants up and tuck your shirt in." so that 60 years later I am still conscious of whether my shirt is tucked in.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
8. Even when they have no gun
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:06 PM
Nov 2014

making it a true compulsion.

The part where they try to grab the gun from the cop then becomes even more interesting. Why'd they have to do that when they already had their own weapon in their waistband? Wilson is so dumb he did not realize he should not have added that detail. Didn't he already know there was no gun by the fact that Michael tried to get his?

5X

(3,972 posts)
9. For one thing, there is no such thing as a service revolver any more....
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:37 PM
Nov 2014

they all have semi-auto glocks.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
10. It's likely an explanation they've passed around for years and years.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:56 PM
Nov 2014

Probably happened once, a long time ago, for real,
and it turned out there was a gun, and in the inquiry
they learned that the bad guy was reaching into his waistband.

"Just say he was reaching into his waistband," they whisper
in the bad police locker room, whenever a buddy shoots somebody.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
11. First everyone complains that they wear their pants too low,
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:57 PM
Nov 2014

then they get suspicious when they try to pull up their pants!

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
12. I'm getting old.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:02 PM
Nov 2014

The appeal of the low pants/show your boxers style is beyond me.

That said, in one of the photos of the Ferguson protesters at some point along the line, there was a young man with navy boxers with a white waist band and white stars and jeans held just below the buttocks with a bright red belt. Very patriotic! I kid you not!

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